Random Commanders Thoughts

[Lanky Livingston]

I don't see that happening at all. Not at all. I'm cerrtain it's just wishful thinking for a fan to believe we get any compenstation for that

Agree with this...I don't see how the team getting any kind of compensation even enters the discussion, really. It would be totally unprecedented.

 

[Lanky Livingston]

The NFL doling out compensatory picks and cash grants/loans to teams is hardly unprecedented. A few choice picks and a huge loan for a new stadium would certainly sweeten the pot.

Compensatory picks for a name change??? That's absolutely unprecedented. Unless you know of an instance in when it happened... in any sport, not just football. I'll wait.

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[Lanky Livingston]

Since a name change has never been imposed on an NFL team, yes, that specific scenario is unprecedented.

This is all that matters. It's completely unprecedented.

However, injuries are compensated by the NFL all the time. If DS believes he's going to be harmed by a name change (something the NFL will likely impose on him), then compensation is for injury is the logical conclusion. The NFL gives out compensatory picks all the time. The NFL also lends money for stadiums. Imagine a brand new RFK state-of-the-art stadium.

Teams do not get compensatory picks for player injuries, and are not compensated for player injuries in any way as far as I know. The Redskins got no compensation for Sean Taylor dying, much less the knee injury that sent him to Miami in the first place. Compensatory picks are based on free agents lost and signed, calculated by a secret formula that only the NFL truly knows.

Where have you seen an NFL team get compensation for an injury?

What would be tragic is to have the new name forced on us for absolutely nothing.

I wouldn't get too hung up on this, because it's the likeliest scenario IMO.

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[Win4us]

If you haven't seen it yet Didier weighed in for and Schlereth against. I know shocking right.

Clint Didier defends Redskins name - The Washington Post

 

[fansince62]

Didier and the balance of the commenters on the article are correct.

 

[Boone]

Right and 'successful' aren't always the same thing. Sadly.

 

[fansince62]

Right and 'successful' aren't always the same thing. Sadly.

man o man...are you ever right about that Boone!

 

[Ax]

I'd bet every single jackass favoring a name change does something in their lives that more adversely affects Indians than the name and logo ever will.

 

[Lanky Livingston]

There's gotta be a better argument than the same old, tired slippery slope nonsense.

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[Om]

There are better arguments. Solid, evidentially supported ones that have been made over and over. They simply get ignored, mis-characterized and/or shouted down by the vocal minority latching on to a cause célèbre.

 

[fansince62]

I'd bet every single jackass favoring a name change does something in their lives that more adversely affects Indians than the name and logo ever will.

Didier is right: this is stupid symbolism with no measurable impact (except direct costs to the organization - one of the real goals). as Shi No has pointed out...there's much greater value added gained by focusing on more direct resource/policy issues (including ridding the system of policies that simply sustain dependancies). eh....I see it for what it is...just another power play...often led by people in privileged positions in the media/academia/advocacy professions whose real interests are far distant from proclaimed goals.

regardless...I will sport my Redskin jerseys, logos, etc., as will my kids until the end of time...or the NFL....whichever comes first!

HTTR!!!!

 

[Lanky Livingston]

There are better arguments. Solid, evidentially supported ones that have been made over and over. They simply get ignored, mis-characterized and/or shouted down by the vocal minority latching on to a cause célèbre.

Then why do people like Didier keep going back to the same old, tired well? Slippery slope arguments generally make your case weaker.

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[Om]

I don't disagree. Didier's contribution didn't add anything compelling. At best, he simply added another credible public voice to the pro-name side of the debate.

My point was less about Didier's comment than it was about the debate itself; that it really doesn't matter what the pro-side says these days--the anti-side isn't listening. Or better, not acknowledging. They're too busy posturing and shouting down any attempt, ham-handed or not, to speak for the pro-name side.

Given the climate these days, with every Bob, Keith and Harry jumping on the anti-name bandwagon (one does have to wonder where the outrage has been all these many years) because it suits their pandering agendas (my opinion), it's a wonder the name hasn't been changed already.

It hasn't helped that the team, for whatever reason, just can't seem to consistently find its own voice. I do retain hopes that along with some steady Native American spokesmanship, the pro-name side will someday find the right tone, and get the message out there in a way that effectively speaks for the overwhelming majority we're told by all those polls and studies is there.

 

[Lanky Livingston]

Having incompetent nincompoops running the PR department certainly hasn't helped their cause.

I don't think either side is listening to the other's arguments; which is pretty much the status quo these days.

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[Om]

There I completely disagree. The team's (unfortunately late and still-inconsistent) outreach and public evidentiary responses are also well documented.

The only reason those things are true is that they have been listening.

 

[Miles Monroe]

I'm way tired of the name debate, and like some here, I'm folding and saying change it. I'd like to see the team named the DC PC's. We can slightly modify the logo, and just put the ol red circle with the slash around it. I can hear it now each time we score........

[SIZE=+2]Hail to the PC's![/SIZE]
[SIZE=+2]Correct is what we be![/SIZE]
[SIZE=+2]Senators on the warpath![/SIZE]
[SIZE=+2]Forcing shit on me!

[/SIZE][SIZE=+2][SIZE=+2]Run or pass and score -- The PC's shut the door![/SIZE]
[SIZE=+2]Beat us, Swamp us,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+2]Touchdown! -- For the Senate whores![/SIZE]
[SIZE=+2]Fight on, fight on, Now you have won[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+2]All you Senate Scum. Rah!, Rah!, Rah!

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[SIZE=+2][SIZE=+2][SIZE=+2]Hail to the PC's![/SIZE]
[SIZE=+2]Correct is what we be![/SIZE]
[SIZE=+2]Senators on the warpath![/SIZE]
[SIZE=+2]Forcing shit on me!

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[Boone]

I would SO go with the Redskin potato thing. It would be worth 100 years of rooting on that potato just to see all of the whimpering screeching politically correct keepers of all that is right just have to pack up and go home.

 

[Boone]

I still say if they do have a name change imposed on them, that the 'B&G' is the only acceptable alternative. For God's sake, retain some history. I'm done with the Native American theme. Seriously done with it. We're a football team, not a civil rights organization.

 

[fansince62]

Miles...the problem is giving in...inch by inch.....is what they are after. one day you wake up and it's too late.

 

[Miles Monroe]

Miles...the problem is giving in...inch by inch.....is what they are after. one day you wake up and it's too late.

Your post almost has a political note to it, and we know not to go there... don't we

I didn't think anybody would take my post as anything but sarcastic.

I'm standing right behind Snyder.... not a hell of a lot taller either, and echoing his words concerning a name change.

“We’ll never change the name. It’s simple. NEVER.”