Joint Statement From Redskins/Cowboys

stevenaa - all due respect, but we didn't 'circumvent' anything. It was an uncapped year - there WERE no rules in place. The NFL had approved the contracts we'd submitted. I don't think there was any 'gentlemans agreement' - I think that's a huge assumption. At worst, the NFL said 'we want you to treat this as a capped year even though it isn't and we'll have a problem with it if you don't' and Snyder/Allen chose to call them on that threat. In al honesty, in a normal world, it should have been an empty threat, because there was no basis for what Goodell and the other owners decided to do. But the Redskins didn't circumvent or violate any written NFL rules. If you know different, I'd love to hear about it.

There's a difference between saying Allen and Snyder miscalculated (they did) and that they tried to do an end-around to bypass or flat out ignored NFL regulations/requirements (they didn't).
 
This is awesome. The NFLPA is essentially suing the NFL for us because if they win, any cap penalties associated with said collusion would have to be dismissed.
 
Or it could just be for show. The NFLPA looks like they're fighting for the players, when in reality, they signed off on the deal, knowing full well there had been collusion. Burbank rules their signing off precludes any future suits.

Case closed. Next case.

Another win for the National Football La Cosa Nostra.
 
Kind of like the NFL signing off on the deals that they eventually penalized? :)
 
Boone said:
stevenaa - all due respect, but we didn't 'circumvent' anything. It was an uncapped year - there WERE no rules in place. The NFL had approved the contracts we'd submitted. I don't think there was any 'gentlemans agreement' - I think that's a huge assumption. At worst, the NFL said 'we want you to treat this as a capped year even though it isn't and we'll have a problem with it if you don't' and Snyder/Allen chose to call them on that threat. In al honesty, in a normal world, it should have been an empty threat, because there was no basis for what Goodell and the other owners decided to do. But the Redskins didn't circumvent or violate any written NFL rules. If you know different, I'd love to hear about it.

There's a difference between saying Allen and Snyder miscalculated (they did) and that they tried to do an end-around to bypass or flat out ignored NFL regulations/requirements (they didn't).
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I understand they didn't violate any written rules. But we know that much of what governs our lives falls into the category of unwritten rules. I fully agree they had legal standing to do what they did. But they'll never push it in that direction due to obvious reasons. However the NFLPA might. :) However, in any such litigation brought by the NFLPA, Snyder and Jones will toe the party line to protect their larger interests.
 
It's possible Ax. It's also possible this may blow up in Goodell's face, particularly since this suit will not heard in front of an arbitrator in Goodell's pocket. After seeing what Burbank did (not) do, there is virtually no chance the NFLPA agrees to arbitration, imo.

This may get nasty. This amount of scrutiny may be enough to piss off some owners against Goodell. Mara is the idiot who opened his mouth on this, but the other owners can't fire him. Goodell is a different matter.
 
Goaldeje said:
It's possible Ax. It's also possible this may blow up in Goodell's face, particularly since this suit will not heard in front of an arbitrator in Goodell's pocket. After seeing what Burbank did (not) do, there is virtually no chance the NFLPA agrees to arbitration, imo.

This may get nasty. This amount of scrutiny may be enough to piss off some owners against Goodell. Mara is the idiot who opened his mouth on this, but the other owners can't fire him. Goodell is a different matter.
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Nothing I'd love more Goal. I'm just starting to believe this whole charade has been orchestrated from the get-go. The NFLPA, suing for a collusion, that they themselves were a part of, is a touch much.
 
NFL and their lawyers vs NFLPA and their lawyers.

Not a fair fight.
 
Steve, I am always the first to look in the mirror when bad stuff happens. That is generally the best place to start looking, and I understand the attempt to do that here. But so much stinks from this that is not of our doing. Blame the Redskins for getting themselves in cap hell. Sure. We spend a decade embarrassing ourselves for a ton of money. That is absolutely worth a facepalm.

However, the NFL is literally making **** up as it goes. It's sloppy, unprofessional and, like I said, petty as ****. And the owner of a team in our division is coincidentally leading the charge. For the owner of the team that just won the Superbowl with a marginal 9-7 team to suggest with a straight face that the three-time last place Redskins have besmirched the competitive balance of the league when we have violated no written rule makes me sick.

Our bed has been made and we will have to lay in it, and there's no point in complaining about it anymore. And I'm not complaining. I'm just not going to forget this. No sir. Our division rival saw a chance to pounce ... to kick us when we were down, and kick he did.

It has been noted.
 
Jimbo said:
I no longer just want that cap money back. I want the underhandedness and collusion exposed for the world to see. And I want Goodell exiled to Elba.
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Looks like you're gonna get what you want here Jimbo with the NFLPA suing the NFL over collusion as of today.

I'm with you, lets get all the BS out in the open. We make more money than most so we will be just fine in the long run.
 
Ax said:
Or it could just be for show. The NFLPA looks like they're fighting for the players, when in reality, they signed off on the deal, knowing full well there had been collusion. Burbank rules their signing off precludes any future suits.

Case closed. Next case.

Another win for the National Football La Cosa Nostra.
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But that's the argument here Ax. The NFLPA is saying they signed the CBA without all the facts. Not sure how true it is, but that will give them some leverage. Or at least a chance to have more light shed on this situation. It ain't going nowhere anytime soon like the NFL wanted, so it can only benefit us. Or at least one would think.
 
Elephant said:
But that's the argument here Ax. The NFLPA is saying they signed the CBA without all the facts. Not sure how true it is, but that will give them some leverage. Or at least a chance to have more light shed on this situation. It ain't going nowhere anytime soon like the NFL wanted, so it can only benefit us. Or at least one would think.
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Most people on twitter, FWIW, don't seem to think we have much chance to get cap space back, even if the NFLPA is successful. This seems more to be about giving Goodell et all a bit of a black eye.

:flowers: to the NFLPA
 
Goaldeje said:
:flowers: to the NFLPA
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Well, since the NFLPA was a willing partner in the collusion that screwed us, I'll withhold the flowers. Unless the players vote Smith and the rest of the co-conspirators out. Until then, they're part of the Herr Goodell/NFLa Cosa Nostra/Union suck up conspiracy.
 
Ax said:
Well, since the NFLPA was a willing partner in the collusion that screwed us, I'll withhold the flowers. Unless the players vote Smith and the rest of the co-conspirators out. Until then, they're part of the Herr Goodell/NFLa Cosa Nostra/Union suck up conspiracy.
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I'm not sure how willing they were - they were strong-armed by Herr Goodell just like we were.
 
^^Yep. Their choice was either to go along with the Fuhrer, or have a lower salary cap, and evidently they did not have a lot of time to make that decision. My money is on the idea that they went along with it in the short term knowing full well what their long-term plans were (lawsuit).
 
By the way, the Super Bowl being hosted in New Orleans after the Bounty-gate fallout should be fantastic. Can't wait to see Goodell get booed mercilously all over town.

Hopefully he shows up in DC a couple of times as well, that would be fun too.
 
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