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WP: Joey Galloway a Redskin

Henry said:
Galloway is like Santana Moss. He's a deep threat WR that should be a #2 but who will occasionally put up #1 numbers. Of course he's eight years older than Moss. I'm not really sure where a 39 year old that relies primarily on his speed to make plays fits in to our scheme. I can only assume he's here to mentor the young guys.
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He is here to put the heat on the young guys and mentor them at the same time. He's a vet who knows what kind of work it takes to make a football team, and I'm sure Shanahan is hoping this will set an example for the young receivers on our team. Shanahan can read just like everyone else, and saw that Thomas and Kelly have arrived out of shape to camp. Not to mention he's stressed competition at all roster spots (except QB).

EDIT: I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment - Joey Galloway = Santana Moss.
 
Lanky Livingston said:
He is here to put the heat on the young guys and mentor them at the same time. He's a vet who knows what kind of work it takes to make a football team, and I'm sure Shanahan is hoping this will set an example for the young receivers on our team. Shanahan can read just like everyone else, and saw that Thomas and Kelly have arrived out of shape to camp. Not to mention he's stressed competition at all roster spots (except QB).

EDIT: I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment - Joey Galloway = Santana Moss.
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Not an entirely fair statement. As rookies, they didn't realize what type of shape NFL players were expected to be in upon arrival in camp; they weren't in bad shape, just not NFL shape. Last season, there was no problem with the shape they were in when they arrived. They learned their lesson.
 
Yes Kirbster and that seems to be a trend. Schwartz (DET) was just bitching about that a few days ago with his rookies. According to him they thought they were working hard and were at about 1/3 speed that teams normally practice at in season. Seems to me it'd be pretty easy to hit up a current or ex player about what you need to do to be ready for camp your rookie year. I find it amazing that ignorant or not anyone could show up that out of shape and actually think they are ready to go.
 
I also think college coaches and agents should help the players understand what is expected of them in the NFL. I think sometimes the players just continue working out the way they have in college, not always realizing how different things are in the NFL.
 
kirbster said:
Not an entirely fair statement. As rookies, they didn't realize what type of shape NFL players were expected to be in upon arrival in camp; they weren't in bad shape, just not NFL shape. Last season, there was no problem with the shape they were in when they arrived. They learned their lesson.
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No way. These guys sign agents, have a million and one advisors, and most go to programs that supposedly get them in NFL-shape, or at least work with guys to get their pro-day/combine numbers up. They know what kind of shape they need to be in.
 
Combine shape has nothing to do with NFL shape. Two totally different things. And that's part of the problem. All these people work with them to prepare for the combine and pro days, but there doesn't seem to be anyone taking the next step and getting them ready for the NFL. These are young guys going into something few are prepared for, and they need the proper guidance.
 
I don't like McNabb and I don't like Galloway. The difference is, at least McNabb is a huge upgrade at the position he plays. Galloway is no upgrade at all. If you're gonna bring in a guy who knows "how" to work hard and be a model for the your receivers, at least bring in a guy who still has it.

The move slightly resembles bringing in Henry Ellard at the end of his career but that's where the comparison ends. I just can't see Galloway making the team. The move seems like a waste of time and only serves to make the rest of the NFL think the same thing.
 
Only point I'd make Jimbo as that there were likely plenty of folks criticizing bringing in Henry Ellard at the time...I don't see much risk in the move. If he can contribute, that'll become clear, if he can't that will as well, and he'll be gone. Can't really see a downside.
 
I agree with Boone. There's no real risk in bringing him in. I just don't see any reward either.

It just kinda is.
 
Boone said:
Only point I'd make Jimbo as that there were likely plenty of folks criticizing bringing in Henry Ellard at the time...I don't see much risk in the move. If he can contribute, that'll become clear, if he can't that will as well, and he'll be gone. Can't really see a downside.
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I certainly wasn't one of the ones who had a problem bringing in Ellard and there probably is not much risk with Galloway. I guess my problem is bringing in a bunch of shorter guys who are very similar-type receivers and getting rid of a guy who can actually be a Red Zone threat. You have to wonder why the Red Zone threat isn't at least being given a chance to make plays, either in Training Camp or in Preseason.

What does Galloway bring to the table that Wade or Hagans or Williams or Moss lack?
 
Henry said:
I agree with Boone. There's no real risk in bringing him in. I just don't see any reward either.

It just kinda is.
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The reward (hopefully) is that he instills some of his work ethic and veteran grit into the young guys. Those that are still around, anyway...
 
Jimbo said:
I certainly wasn't one of the ones who had a problem bringing in Ellard and there probably is not much risk with Galloway. I guess my problem is bringing in a bunch of shorter guys who are very similar-type receivers and getting rid of a guy who can actually be a Red Zone threat. You have to wonder why the Red Zone threat isn't at least being given a chance to make plays, either in Training Camp or in Preseason.

What does Galloway bring to the table that Wade or Hagans or Williams or Moss lack?
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All good WRs are red zone threats.

If you have a QB who can get them the damn ball that is. Perhaps Shanahan determined that was the issue, not our WRs :)
 
Boone said:
All good WRs are red zone threats.

If you have a QB who can get them the damn ball that is. Perhaps Shanahan determined that was the issue, not our WRs :)
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That's a good point. Brady won all his Super Bowls without Randy Moss, after all. Maybe the new system was a bit too much information to process for some of the younger guys, but a guy like Galloway might have no problems with it.
 
Gotta have a trigger man to get a WR the ball. You could have Jerry Rice, Randy Moss and Art Monk out there on the field together, but if their QB can't get the ball delivered on time and on target, they're going to look like any other WR's. Part of that is OL giving the QB time, yes, that's not in question. But it's primarily on the QB. The great ones find a way. How many Patriots offensive linemen from their SB teams can anyone name without looking it up?

That said, I think Shanahan meant what he said about competition. I think he's bringing in pros he knows know their way around an NFL huddle and film room, and is going to let them sort it out on the practice field. I would not be surprised if we see MORE receivers brought in between now and camp. The contracts being signed here aren't committment contracts, they're "let's have a look" contracts. The guys who emerge from camp having shown they have not only the physical skills but are professionals in terms of preparation and locker room presence will be on the final roster.

Competition ... what a concept. :)
 
Om said:
How many Patriots offensive linemen from their SB teams can anyone name without looking it up?
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Likewise, how many Broncos WRs from their SB teams can anyone name without looking it up? And no, Shannon Sharpe doesn't count, he was a tight end!
 
The acquisition of Galloway is the byproduct of the Redskins lacking quality depth at WR, as at many positions.

We got younger at WR in the past 2-3 years but not necessarily more productive. And Kelly has an ongoing injury issue with his knees that could likely curtail his NFL career.

Shanahan and Allen can only do so much in one offseason with a truncated free agent class and 4 draft picks (which they turned into 6 - but 4 were very late).

In 2010, depth is being built using veteran free agents, value players that are on 1 year perform or be gone contracts.

It would have been nice to see Shanahan come in and make 11-13 draft selections and then go out and get players like a Jahari Evans or Cromartie as unrestricted free agents.

But the uncapped year prevented the latter. The best bet was reducing the future cap by cutting players who were clearly in decline and whose salaries outsized their performances.

Other than Hicks and Kemoeatu, none of the other veterans acquired have deals for more than one season.

So, I don't see this as a building of a second 'Over the Hill Gang' by Allen and Co.

Shanahan was actually quite smart in being able to kill two birds with one stone in acquiring both a franchise quarterback and a left tackle WITHOUT having to trade the #4 overall selection :)
 
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