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Tracee Hamilton is an idiot

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tshile

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She was just on Tony Kornheiser's show. I didn't hear the entire interview, but I did here her railing against Shanahan for challenging the touchback against the Bengals last week.

She said it was "clear" to anyone "watching TV" that it was a touchback, and couldn't understand why anyone would challenge it.

Well, let me explain it to you (on this forum since i don't know how to call you and I'm not driving to your office, :) ). It's really simple. The coaching staff at the stadium doesn't have the luxury of instant replay from 5 different TV camera's, all in high def, on the spot like you do sitting on your couch (when the production crew decides to show you these replays, that is).

Everyone in the stadium watched the replay on the big screens. According to the replay that was shown the ball was CLEARLY not a touch back. It wasn't even close. Everyone in the stadium knew it. Thats why Mike threw the flag. Thats why we all screamed when the replay was played, and cheered when the red flag was thrown.

Then something awful happened.

Then the Fed ex crew shows a much better picture, and stopped at the frame in question. The frame that showed the ball CLEARLY on the line. It wasn't even close.

Now how did this happen? I have no idea. Was the original replay not in high def? Was the original replay done in such a way that the frame that showed the ball clearly on the line was skipped? I have no idea.

But prior to the flag being thrown it appeared clear as day to not be a touch back. Post-flag throwing was when the replay that everyone apparently saw at home was played for us at the stadium.

Now I can't blame someone for not having been at the game to have experienced this. Not every sports columnist for the Post goes to every Redskins game, and that's completely understandable.

But Mike Shanahan specifically went over this in the post game presser. He went over why he challenged it. He went over how he realized his mistake as soon as that 2nd video came up on the screen.

If you're going to run around talking about events, and you're going to call yourself a sports columnist, you might want to invest a little time into the events you're covering.


Sorry, this is probably a way overblown rant but I just couldn't tolerate the way she described the event. As if our coaching staff is completely inept and a bunch of idiots running around twiddling their thumbs unsure of how this game of football works.
 

Ax

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I didn't think the reward was worth the timeout, at the time. Not unless it was clear. Mike should have gotten better info from upstairs. (They see what we did on tv) and it was clearly a wasted timeout, on an non-winnable challenge.

Of course, none of this changes the fact that Tracee Hamilton is an idiot.

And, it's spilled milk. We've got the falcons to worry about.
 

tshile

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I didn't think the reward was worth the timeout, at the time. Not unless it was clear. Mike should have gotten better info from upstairs. (They see what we did on tv) and it was clearly a wasted timeout, on an non-winnable challenge.

Of course, none of this changes the fact that Tracee Hamilton is an idiot.

And, it's spilled milk. We've got the falcons to worry about.

They don't see what you see on TV. There's a delay, and you can't reliably expect to see the TV replay before the next snap. If you do expect that you're going to find yourself too late to challenge especially if the other team is hurrying to snap the ball.

They get to see whatever replays the stadium staff manages to get up on the board before the next snap. They get to see the angels they pick, the speed they want to show it, and however many times they want to pause it/reverse it. If the time between snaps is long enough they get the luxury of the replays the TV Production staff shows the home viewers, but thats a luxury not a guarantee.


As to risk vs reward, yeah can't really argue with that. The only thing I will say is that according to the replay we had prior to the challenge, it was clear. It was 100% clear given the replays they showed us. It was so clear we were really disappointed when they showed the under-the-hood cam during review; disappointed we didn't have that shot prior to the challenge :(

No one around us was mad the flag was thrown, we were all mad we had the wrong picture. And criticizing something like that from the couch when you're a sports columnist for the major paper in the area and should most certainly know better and didn't bother to even listen to the post game presser, is pathetic in my opinion.
 

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Ummm, who is Tracee Hamilton?

(aside from the idiot-thing, I got that part)
 

tshile

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Ummm, who is Tracee Hamilton?

(aside from the idiot-thing, I got that part)
lol :)

She's a Washington Post Sports Columnist. So she writes articles in these things these kids on bikes throw at your house every morning, which is an obnoxious practice but i'll save that rant for another day. Sometimes she goes on the radio to spout out her opinions on sports.
 

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Ah. Didn't know they made those anymore. Huh.
 

Ax

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They don't see what you see on TV. There's a delay, and you can't reliably expect to see the TV replay before the next snap.
Says you. I know they have at least one tv with the network game on it. Don't know about a delay. You may be right, there.
 

tshile

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Ax, do you really think the idea of looking at the TV replays is one that has escaped 32 teams and coaching staffs? Or do you think the staffs are that bad? If they have access to those every time and are still making these 'mistakes' then those would be the only two options in my opinion.
 

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Ax, do you really think the idea of looking at the TV replays is one that has escaped 32 teams and coaching staffs? Or do you think the staffs are that bad? If they have access to those every time and are still making these 'mistakes' then those would be the only two options in my opinion.
It's one option that's available, at times. I get that sometimes you have to challenge before you get a good look at a play. It may well have been the case here. We don't know, definitively, OK? I still think it was a high risk, low reward challenge. As it turned out, it was a total waste of a time out.

Argue for argument's sake if you want. It ain't that deep.
 

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I saw someone mention on Twitter that they didn't show the "money shot" replay until AFTER he threw the flag. I stand by the fact that FedEx is one of the worst home-field advantages in sports. Ugh.
 

tshile

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I saw someone mention on Twitter that they didn't show the "money shot" replay until AFTER he threw the flag. I stand by the fact that FedEx is one of the worst home-field advantages in sports. Ugh.
Yeah it didn't come until they hooked us into the ref's monitor. Thats the new thing this year, when a play goes to review we get to see what he is looking at. When he goes frame by frame we see it, it's a direct feed into the monitor.

Thats when we saw it. It came from the TV footage, and was slow motioned to the exact frame by the ref. So that shot wasn't even given to us by the fedex crew.

This is not the first time something like this has happened. The fans at the stadium are not all football stupid, normally when you hear us booing our asses off and it's clearly the right call it's because the fedex crew has shown us a replay that convinces us the refs got it wrong.
 

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The fans at the stadium are not all football stupid,
Sometimes it actually seems like they really are. Not Redskin fans in particular. But NFL fans in general. Ever notice that no matter how blatant the offense, the home crowd will almost always roar in BOOS, whenever an official announced a penalty against the home team. I always figured they were booing the refs, although you could speculate they were booing their own team for the gaffe.
 

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I saw someone mention on Twitter that they didn't show the "money shot" replay until AFTER he threw the flag. I stand by the fact that FedEx is one of the worst home-field advantages in sports. Ugh.
totally true. everybody was screaming for the red flag (myself included) and right after he threw the damned thing they showed the "money shot". The entire stadium groaned save the 2000 bengals fans.

The people who run the big board suck ass. They consistently play commercials until a full second into the play. There are a lot of times when you have to watch the board to see what is going on. I mean what the hell did they put it up for... :new_idea: oh yeah commercials.... my bad.
 

tshile

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Sometimes it actually seems like they really are. Not Redskin fans in particular. But NFL fans in general. Ever notice that no matter how blatant the offense, the home crowd will almost always roar in BOOS, whenever an official announced a penalty against the home team. I always figured they were booing the refs, although you could speculate they were booing their own team for the gaffe.
I know, thats why I made it a point to point that out. It's not that we're stupid, it's that we litteraly don't have the luxury you have when it comes to replays. You have an entire production team, we have the stadium crew. We get 1, maybe 2 angles of the play - most of the time just one. How many do you get on a controversial play on TV? 3, 4? You can go back 2, 3, 4 plays if it was that big of a deal. We can't.

This year they started showing us what the ref is looking at during the review. The result of that is that we now see exactly what you see. The only problem is that we see it after the challenge, not before; same with the coaches. They're looking up at the screens just like we are :\
 
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