The thing Campbell can do to instantly improve

[Lanky Livingston]

if you aren't arguing that then you need to be more clear of what you ARE in fact arguing because you keep saying "if he keeps up at this pace..."

Read the OP, dude.

he let Osi beat him and thats how he got to Campbell. THAT'S why it is as much his fault as it is Campbell's.

Lol, I guess we will have to agree to disagree, even though you are wrong.

 

[Lanky Livingston]

this is what all of my laughing started from. I see where you say he isnt actually going to hit that and thats why I laughed but then you got serious about it. So I would like you to clear up how I am confused about what you said. It clearly states 32 fumbles this year and I laughed at it. How is that me not being clear? seriously..

Yeah, but its off-topic of the OP, and doesn't contribute to the original point. And as to what you quoted, 2 fumbles in one game is the kind of stat I don't want to see - maybe you do, but I sure don't.

I'm as right as rain when it comes to that play and what a LT is for. Why do you think the LT gets paid the most out of all the OL?

No, you're not. I already explained that part of an OT's job is to ride the DE out of the play if he gets by him, which is what Samuels was doing. Watch the play again: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2NoOIi_968[/media]

1) Campbell is 8-yards deep from the line of scrimmage, with tons of empty space in front of him.

2) Samuels has Osi 10-yards deep, i.e. out of the play, which is his job. Ask anyone who has played OT at any level, they will tell you this is their job on a speed rush. Let the guy run, and ride him right out of the play. Its football 101.

3) Campbell holds the ball for over 4-seconds, which is plenty of time to get rid of the ball. And Campbell was about to throw. If he had stepped into the pocket, he'd have had an extra second to throw the ball, and who knows what would have happened on that play.

Face it bro, you are just wrong.

 

[Sarge]

We'll see how JC acts in the pocket this weekend.

 

[Lanky Livingston]

Hopefully he sees much less pressure from the Rams front four. Anyone heard if Samuels is playing?
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[servumtuum]

Hopefully he sees much less pressure from the Rams front four. Anyone heard if Samuels is playing?
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LL, this just in from Canadian Press:

ASHBURN, Va. — Redskins left tackle Chris Samuels is probable for Washington's game against the St. Louis Rams after taking part in the final practice of the week.
The player most limited in Friday's workout was defensive tackle Anthony Montgomery, who has tendinitis in his knee and is questionable for Sunday's game.
Samuels sat out part of Thursday's practice. The team is expected to limit his midweek workload this season to preserve his knee following off-season surgery.
The Redskins also announced that quarterback Colt Brennan had surgery on Monday in Colorado on the torn labrum in his left hip. Brennan, who is on injured reserve, had a similar operation on his right hip last year. He's expected to need three months of rehabilitation before resuming football activities.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5iofthR5KxFuzEa9HB0jikfCUmdSg

 

[Art Monk Fan]

Without discounting any of the arguments put forward in this thread (many of which I agree with) I am beginning to suspect that Campbell simply is not an NFL starting caliber QB.

You look at others roughly his age, like Big Ben, and see them look off DBs, use the pump fake to freeze defenders, pump fake after crossing the line to get a LBer off his feet,even though he knows he can't throw. These are the little things that separate a guy filling a roster spot from a guy who can lead a team. Jason hasn't ever shown any of these touches. In fact, he's shown (pretty clearly) that he simply doesn't have this level to his game so far.

The play to make last week is a pump fake that buys him two more yards of running room before going out of bounds, but instead he throws an illegal forward pass for a pick. The guy had no idea where he was on the field. I mean, has he ever looked off a safety? Does he ever pump fake?

Forget about systems, square pegs, confidence and new coordinators, the guy just doesn't seem to have the basic building blocks in place to take it to another level.

Then, when I see Sanchez and Stafford in their first starts and they're both already doing these little things, it makes me throw up a little in my mouth.

 

[Lanky Livingston]

Well, Campbell had another fumble yesterday.

 

[Sarge]

Well, Campbell had another fumble yesterday.

Yeah, but I thought I played better than last week. Again his stats looked good, except in the TD department. But here's the thing. To me, a QB has to have some charisma, some intangible quality that makes people want to play for him and bust their asses for him on every play.

I'm not seeing JC exude that.

And Zorn not letting him play (ie throw a fade) just further undermines him in the eyes of the team

Seems like a nice enough guy, but I don't think he has that certain mojo, that fire in the belley that a QB needs to succeed

 

[Elephant]

I have only had the opportunity to see bits and pieces of the game so far since I was working yesterday, but I must say I saw some good things from Campbell in a few of those clips. The one play that stood out most was when he stepped up in the pocket to avoid the rush and hit the receiver down field for a huge completion. That is what Lanky was talking about in his original post in this thread and I was happy to see it.

 

[Bulldog]

Eli Manning missed some throws last night but no one is caught up on it because the coach didn't give up on his players. Coughlin called many of the same plays Manning missed on later in the game and NY ended up burning the Dallas secondary in the second half.

Here if a play doesn't work Zorn gives up on it and goes to his gadget bag.

For all his supposed creativity, Zorn's playcalling is as predictable as Joe's was in 2007.

So much for a fresh approach.
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[Lanky Livingston]

Two more fumbles for Campbell on Sunday...putting him at 5 for the season after 3 games, putting him on pace for 27 this season.

He HAS to hold onto the damn ball!!

 

[MK-ULTRA]

A big improvement would be not checking down on 3rd down throws. I believe we have the worst 3rd down conversion percentage in the league. My biggest problem with Campbell is that he still, after all these years, can't read a defense. I was watching Delhomme play against Dallas on Sunday night and on his touchdown right before the half, he pump faked and looked off a safety in order to get the coverage he wanted. Say what you will about Delhomme, but that play should an awareness of football and an understanding of defenses that I have rarely if ever seen from Campbell. To me, Campbell decides who the ball is going to before the snap and if it isn't there he dumps it off. There's no real view of the field and no anticipation of where his receivers will be. I happen to think, after having watched his every start, that Campbell is at best a mediocre QB. For those of you throwing out QB rating stats...please...it's one of the most misleading stats in football, kind of like total defense or offense. My philosophy is that you know a good QB when you see one. I've seen enough of Campbell to know he isn't one.

 

[MK-ULTRA]

Delhomme 09 - 2 TDs and 7 INTs
Delhomme 08 - 15 TDs and 12 INTs

Campbell 09 - 3 TDs and 2 INTs
Campbell 08 - 13 TDs and 6 INTs

I dont get the comparisons. Delhomme is garbage.

He has done a hell of a lot more than Campbell in his career. The point of the camparison was not to show what they've done, but to point out an instance of reading the defense and making a play that I have rarely seen from Campbell.

 

[servumtuum]

MK-ULTRA, you may find this surprising-I know I did. The Redskins, after the first three games, are ranked 18th in 3d down conversion percentage at 38%-tied with the Jets as unbelievable as that sounds. The problem is that between the 20s the Skins have moved the ball fairly well-but once inside the Red Zone they collapse.

Information source link (from NFL.com game stats page):http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?offensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&archive=false&seasonType=REG&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&d-447263-o=2&conference=null&d-447263-s=DOWN_3RD_PERCENTAGE&d-447263-n=1&season=2009&qualified=true&Submit=Go&tabSeq=2&role=TM&d-447263-p=1

The worst 3d down conversion percentage at present belongs to Kansas City with an anemic 19%. The best? The Dolphins with 54%-perhaps indicating that 3d down conversion percentage as a factor is highly dependent on numerous other variables and thus not a strong predictor taken by itself.

 

[Jimbo]

Delhomme doesn't have Campbell's physical skills but he still reads and recognizes better than Campbell. If you put Delhomme's brain (or 3/4 of NFL QB's for that matter) in Campbell's head, this thread would never exist.

 

[MK-ULTRA]

MK-ULTRA, you may find this surprising-I know I did. The Redskins, after the first three games, are ranked 18th in 3d down conversion percentage at 38%-tied with the Jets as unbelievable as that sounds. The problem is that between the 20s the Skins have moved the ball fairly well-but once inside the Red Zone they collapse.

Information source link (from NFL.com game stats page):http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?offensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&archive=false&seasonType=REG&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&d-447263-o=2&conference=null&d-447263-s=DOWN_3RD_PERCENTAGE&d-447263-n=1&season=2009&qualified=true&Submit=Go&tabSeq=2&role=TM&d-447263-p=1

The worst 3d down conversion percentage at present belongs to Kansas City with an anemic 19%. The best? The Dolphins with 54%-perhaps indicating that 3d down conversion percentage as a factor is highly dependent on numerous other variables and thus not a strong predictor taken by itself.

Thanks for the data here--appreciated. I guess it just seems like we are last in every statistical offensive category.

 

[Elephant]

Not really sure how Delhomme the INT machine got in this convo but I would pass on him any day.

It's simple Mike. At the end of the half against the Cowgirls Delhomme was able to drive down the field, calling the appropriate plays because of his ability to read what the defense was showing.

Jason Campbell has never exhibited the ability to look at a defensive set, read what they are going to do and make the appropriate adjustment. The best he could come up with against the lowly Rams was to call a run to the right side on 3rd and eight when he didn't like what he saw and it was even a draw play. That is amateur at best!

Mike, I am not suggesting Jake Delhomme is the answer and I don't think anybody here is. Once again, you are looking at this as though we support a different QB instead of seeing that we would like our QB(Jason Campbell) to possess the qualities that we see in other QB's around the league. The ability to read defenses is crucial for an NFL QB and JC hasn't shown he can!

 

[servumtuum]

I wonder how much Dallas' current not-good pass defense had to do with how Delhomme played. The Eagles made mincemeat of the Panther's passing game-and, checking current NFL stats again, the Eagles are ranked 3d overall in pass defense-the Cowboys? 27th.

 

[MK-ULTRA]

It's simple Mike. At the end of the half against the Cowgirls Delhomme was able to drive down the field, calling the appropriate plays because of his ability to read what the defense was showing.

Jason Campbell has never exhibited the ability to look at a defensive set, read what they are going to do and make the appropriate adjustment. The best he could come up with against the lowly Rams was to call a run to the right side on 3rd and eight when he didn't like what he saw and it was even a draw play. That is amateur at best!

Mike, I am not suggesting Jake Delhomme is the answer and I don't think anybody here is. Once again, you are looking at this as though we support a different QB instead of seeing that we would like our QB(Jason Campbell) to possess the qualities that we see in other QB's around the league. The ability to read defenses is crucial for an NFL QB and JC hasn't shown he can!

Mike--Elephant very eloquently expressed what I was trying to convey. I'm not saying I want Delhomme as my QB. What I am pointing is that Campbell lacks the skill set that almost every other QB in this league has. I mean, c'mon after all these years, how can people possibly support him? He was shown up head-to-head by a rookie making his 3rd start.

 

[Lanky Livingston]

I guess, but what's good about throwing for 348 yards if you only score 14 points? What if he threw for 600 yards and we still lost by 5 points? Mike, its all about getting the points when they are needed.

You are absolutely correct - Delhomme is not as good physically as Campbell is. He is older, and even when younger, he never had Campbell's speed or arm strength. Nobody is denying this. However, Aaron Brooks was one of the most physically gifted QBs the NFL has ever seen, but he could not win ball games. Why? Because its more than being just physically gifted. Brooks could not read a defense to save his life, and his Saints career was cut short because of it. Some guys just don't have it...and its looking more and more like Campbell is one of those guys.