The New Head Coach Thread

The effect of the cap penalty cannot be overstated, especially the timing of it - literally the night before Free Agency started. Who knows what plans we had that had to be scrapped in favor of Josh Morgan & EJ Biggers? This upcoming season will be the true test of the Redskins' personnel department - we'll actually have money to spend and glaring holes to plug. Whether or not they fill those holes successfully will be the determination of how long Shanallen sticks around (TWSS).
 
The Redskins in 2012 already signed Garçon for $40M.

Morgan was a backup in SF who was injured severely in 2011.

A team with limited cap space can't take a$12M risk on a guy like that.

And the Redskins evidently were close to signing Eddie Royal before SD stepped in with a bigger offer.

See Royal last night? He's a punt returner and No. 4 receiver for the Chargers.

That would have been another waste of money.
 
A few rumblings...

GM Allen is safe under any scenario.
David Shaw could get a serious look.
Cowher rumors are weak, but are out there.

The next few weeks are key.
 
This coaching staff is safe. Regardless of what happens this season. My opinion.
 
This coaching staff is safe. Regardless of what happens this season. My opinion.
As they should be honestly. Except Haslett. Haslett needs to go under any scenario. We need to call Wade Phillips, and sign a check for whatever number he throws out, even if it's absurd.
 
As they should be honestly. Except Haslett. Haslett needs to go under any scenario. We need to call Wade Phillips, and sign a check for whatever number he throws out, even if it's absurd.

I don't think I could live with Wade Phillips as our DC, after being permanently scarred by watching Bang's old cartoon of Jerry Jones referring to Wade as "Tubby"
 
I think Wade Phillips would be a perfect guy to run a 3-4 defense. I'm too lazy to pull the numbers right now but I have in the past (trust me). Everywhere he goes as a coordinator the defense improves.

We all bitched about Danny Smith last season and the special teams look horrible again this season under Burns. If Dan has an open checkbook why not hire the best available? Instead we hired a guy who has zero experience and give him less to work with than last year's....*ahem*....overachievers. I realize some of the reason we have less talent (F Mara) but why make this hire? We are dead last in ST this season by a good margin (Danny has the Steelers in 25th so don't misunderstand me here) FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2013 SPECIAL TEAMS RATINGS

Pending what happens the rest of the way out this season I think Shanny and son both stay. If we go 4-12 though all bets are off, and honestly they should be. Still way too much of the season left to go putting too much thought into any of this yet. Things change quickly in the NFL, let's wait and see how this all plays out.
 
There are some points in here that have some merit, like those mentioning the mess that Shanny walked into, along with the Mara penalty.

Also, continuity can be good to a point--as long as you believe you have the right HC, and you believe that he has done a good job with picking his assistant coaches. Also, it's important to decide if Shanny's best years are still ahead of him.

Imagine this for a second. What if we had no HC on the roster, and we were starting a new search right now....
 
What would you honestly think about a HC that hadn't won a single playoff game in the last 14 years?

Who here would want that? Obviously, no one would. People here would hate that! No one would be begging to sign that guy.

Well that's exactly what we have. Shanny hasn't won a playoff game since 1999.

We can do much, much better than that nonsense.
 
You know what staff moves should be made?

1. AFTER pops leaves, move Kyle to HC. Yeah I said it.
2. Offer Jim Haslett to Dallas in exchange for a ham sammich. If they refuse, draw and quarter Haslett on pay-per-view and hire Wade Phillips to replace him.
3. Bring back......wait for it......Norville to be our OC.

After the run we went on when pops took the cuffs off of Kyle last year, I am convinced it's him holding back Kyle that's killing our offense, not the other way around.

We don't have to wait. Dan should pull Mike aside and ask him what he thinks about retiring if Kyle was promoted to HC. Give him enough games the rest of this year to show something, then fire him after year end too.
 
5 games and you guys have gone from 'All Hail' this team and it's coaches to wanting to blow it all up. Seriously, that's the kind of stuff that you see on those 'other sites' you guys are so scornful of. I'll say this much. Snyder shows the kind of impatience some here are showing and blows it up at the end of the season? Again? I'm done.

Btw, when's the last time Shanahan won a playoff game? I can't remember. When was the last time he brought a team roaring back and won 7 in a row to bring the NFC East championship to DC for the first time in forever?

Oh. That was less than 12 months ago.
 
In here and in chat, you've been saying that the owner needs to light a fire under the coach. Now you are saying the opposite?
 
The OLD Snyder would have fired him and cleaned house, in a heartbeat.
Everybody despised the OLD Snyder.
Now, against all odds, Snyder has miraculously changed his colors, like a leopard losing his spots, and transformed into a patient owner.
And now he is opposed for being reasonably patient.
 
In here and in chat, you've been saying that the owner needs to light a fire under the coach. Now you are saying the opposite?

BB - you replying to me or someone else?
 
If we're looking for scapegoats, it would make more sense to call for RG3's head. He's been awful. In 5 games, he's equaled his 2012 interception total, and is sub 60% passing. That's Donovan McNabb territory. Maybe we should trade him?

In all seriousness, Griffin's slow start if absolutely understandable and we need to live with it. He's progressing, and as he does, the team's prospects will improve. Do I think we'll see the kind of resurgence we did last year? No. But I think the team and coaches will show some grit and determination and win some games none of us think they can currently. It's one thing to be frustrated and angry. But I don't think you can blame our inability to score points just on the Shanahan's. Griffin has held this team back, and not by just a little, for the bulk of the season so far. It's just a fact.
 
That's valid Boone. But why is he so poor this year? Because he was seriously injured. And why was he so badly injured? Was it a freak accident, or maybe something that could have been prevented?

Knowing that he already had one ACL blowout on that same knee in college, and that our chances for success going forward mainly revolved around him, how many coaches would have left him in that long?

Belichick? Would he ever do that with Brady?

Would you ever see Peyton Manning in that position?

Drew Brees?

Injuries can always happen. That's just football. But preventable injuries on the exact same knee that was already reconstructed? That's reckless and incredibly stupid at best. Egregious at worst.
 
I don't think putting some pressure on the coach and planning to dump the entire staff are anything close to the same thing. We're fans. We're expected to overreact to ups and downs. An owner can't do that - not if he wants to be successful. I have a problem with folks acting like we've got Greg Schiano running the show. We don't. It's not going to be a great season barring an incredible turnaround. Until we can add talent, this team will rise and fall on Griffin. And Griffin has been awful for the most part so far in 2013.

By the logic I'm hearing, folks here would love to have Rex Ryan running our team. He's won recent playoff games and the Jets are having a surprisingly successful season.
 
That's valid Boone. But why is he so poor this year? Because he was seriously injured. And why was he so badly injured? Was it a freak accident, or maybe something that could have been prevented?

Knowing that he already had one ACL blowout on that same knee in college, and that our chances for success going forward mainly revolved around him, how many coaches would have left him in that long?

Belichick? Would he ever do that with Brady?

Would you ever see Peyton Manning in that position?

Drew Brees?

Injuries can always happen. That's just football. But preventable injuries on the exact same knee that was already reconstructed before? That's reckless and incredibly stupid at best. Egregious at worst.

You're going to beat that drum again? Griffin contributed significantly to his own injury. I don't hear you calling for him to be released due to his lack of judgment and selfishly putting his need to stay in the game over the team's longterm success (that's not an unfair characterization btw).

Yeah - you're right. He's poor this year because he went through a devastating injury and hasn't fully rebounded. Guess what? He will rebound. And when he does, and can actually execute the offense we designed for him, we'll start looking a lot more like the defending NFC East champion team everyone was gushing about last December.

Bottom line, this is all just pissing into the wind. Snyder will not fire Shanahan because of a poor start under these circumstances. And Fear is exactly right. For years Snyder is lambasted for getting involved in the football decisions, interfering with football decisions, and generally lacking patience of any kind. He finally shows some (and under significant duress) and we suddenly want him to blow the whole thing up.

I just don't understand that.
 
Griffin definitely deserves some of the blame for that injury. It's not 100% on Shanahan.

Most boxers get back up and want to continue after they've been knocked senseless. MMA fighters complain when their bouts are stopped--even if they don't know where they are at that second.

Someone has to be the adult there. In fighting, that's the corner or the ref. In football, that's the coach.

Leaders also admit mistakes and take blame. I make multiple mistakes every week, if not one every single day. At times I make incredibly stupid decisions.

And I totally respect an ego on a coach. I think it's healthy.

It may have been even healthier if Shanny would have just come out and taken the blame, instead of lying about the team doctor. From where I sit, he didn't act like a leader.

Griffin should get better. Culpepper never did return to form.

So we have a coach who made an incredibly stupid decision (both Keim and Tandler say it was the lowest point of his entire career) and then he appeared to try and pass the buck. That's not a great thing.

And it's that's same ego, along with bad drafting and awful defenses that got him fired in Denver. From ESPN:


In Denver, Shanahan ran everything and as things went downhill, he relieved defensive coordinators -- Greg Robinson, Ray Rhodes, Larry Coyer and Jim Bates -- in almost revolving-door fashion.

It's not clear how it contributed to his firing, but the Rocky Mountain News reported on Tuesday night that Bowlen asked Shanahan to make another change at defensive coordinator -- this time cutting loose Bob Slowik. Shanahan reportedly refused. He had said after Sunday's loss that he would not fire another defensive coordinator.

This year, as the defense floundered, it became obvious it wasn't just a coaching problem. It was an issue of talent on the field, and in Denver, the buck stopped with Shanahan.

He focused on defense in 2007, using two of his four picks for defensive linemen Jarvis Moss and Tim Crowder, neither of whom has been much of a factor. Also of late, he wasted a third-round pick on Maurice Clarett (2005), spent millions on Travis Henry (2007), never got anything from Boss Bailey, Niko Koutouvides and Dewayne Robertson (2008).

Cutler, along with receivers Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal, make up the core of what could be a very promising offense in years to come. But the defense Shanahan assembled was wretched -- allowing more than 400 points over the past two seasons -- and the Broncos hardly looked like contenders.

Denver Broncos fire Mike Shanahan after season falls apart - ESPN

And yeah, that's the same Bob Slowik we have here.
 

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