The HC Dan Quinn Discussion Thread

[skinsinparadise]

 

[Riggo44]

So he was like "fuck you I do what I want." I'll wear my L on this one. I still think this is a massive mistake, but I'll be happy to wear that L too.

 

[skinsinparadise]

 

[NoCalSkins]

I am not sure how stout the Shanahan tree is if we are referring to the Kyle Shanahan tree. The Mike Shanahan tree produced a lot of future coaching & coordinator talent but has tree replenished it's roots and sprouted another new generation as of yet?

 

[Riggo44]

McVay is a Shanny product.

 

[skinsinparadise]

 

[skinsinparadise]

 

[Riggo44]

Man I feel like this could backfire, horribly.

 

[clskinsfan]

Have to assume Raheem is 100% on his way here. Wonder who the OC will be ?

Disgusting if true. His career defensive rankings, even in college, suck.

 

[SkinsNumberOne]

This is actually a good point.

In terms of "process over outcome" we may describe it like this:
1) DQ put in what people expected to be good coordinators. <-- process
2) Offense looked good. <-- outcome.
3) Defense looked bad. <-- outcome
4) Defense gameplan/prep/scheme/playcalling/personnel utiliziation/etc -- something was wrong I assume. <-- process
5) Offense gameplan/prep/scheme/playcalling//personnel utiliziation/etc -- something was wrong I assume. <-- process

So I think when the FO looks at it, they evaluate DQ on step 1.
They evaluate the coordinators specifically on 4 and 5.

So DQ gets a pass because he chose well on the surface, but it didn't work out.
Now he has to choose again.

 

[clskinsfan]

I like Daboll. But if its him less of Jayden running clearly isnt whats a priority

Agree. He will get JD killed. We should be all in for Udinski imo. He got Lawrence into a damn good QB this year. HE also developed Sam Darnold in Minny.

 

[SkinsNumberOne]

Man I feel like this could backfire, horribly.

You know how you sell your house, it totally depends on what buyers are out there, and if you buy a house, it totally depends on what houses are available...

KK had a statistically good offense. He was ready to go look to become a HC (he himself was unhappy here). I don't think that's major conjecture. It's part of mutually parting ways.
The team thought (for whatever reason) they should look for a new coordinator.

Not sure why.

It may end poorly because of what's out there and what happens in the hiring process. It's the same for any of these hirings/firings, the timing always matters. It doesn't mean it was a bad idea to move on - you can only evaluate that if you know exactly why they did it. You don't.

 

[mcdonaldrw]

I just hope that JD's mom is ok with the decision

 

[SkinsNumberOne]

I just hope that JD's mom is ok with the decision

I hope they notified her early, that's my assumption.

 

[skinzplay]

I'm not sure what media expects JD5 to set in an interview -- "My OC, yeah, we need to get rid of him". He's a class act. He's not going down that kinda road.

Also, on the Galdi point about Kliff wanting JD5, it's pretty well-documented how enamored and stoked AP was about JD5 and he was our guy with that pick all along.

 

[Riggo44]

It will be interesting to see the "reports" in the aftermath of this, what was said, the reason behind it, what was discussed, etc.

 

[BayouBrave86]

Piss off your franchise QB, brilliant.

Daboll or Stefanski would be slam dunks at OC though.

 

[0rder 0f 0ut]

I am not sure how stout the Shanahan tree is if we are referring to the Kyle Shanahan tree. The Mike Shanahan tree produced a lot of future coaching & coordinator talent but has tree replenished it's roots and sprouted another new generation as of yet?

Kliff Kingsbury felt like a calculated swing, not a long-term ideological commitment. With Jayden Daniels rare dual-threat talent, Kliff offered the fastest path to unlocking upside potential, at a moment when there simply wasn’t a deep pool of high-end, QB-friendly West Coast coordinators available.

Not sure what the offensive philosophy going forward is with AP/Quinn. Is either necessarily a Shanahan ideologue?

 

[SkinsLife]

This is what i was saying all along. Quinn failed at the the most important task for a HC... hiring the right OC and DC. I honestly don't get why they keep him. Clean house and start over.. Quinn already massively failed once.... you really trust him to make the right choices this time?! ridiculous!

 

[skinsinparadise]

I'm not sure what media expects JD5 to set in an interview -- "My OC, yeah, we need to get rid of him". He's a class act. He's not going down that kinda road.

Also, on the Galdi point about Kliff wanting JD5, it's pretty well-documented how enamored and stoked AP was about JD5 and he was our guy with that pick all along.

For what its worth, and I know some say its worth nothing, Keim among others said Jayden and Kliff are close and that's not just a public posturing thing, its real.

I get the whole who gives a rats ass what Jayden thinks. But IMHO this isn't a FO that's on a roll as to helping Jayden -- I give them a D at best as to being good for Jayden. So the idea of lets trust them this time. I'll ride with it. But if I were Jayden I'd be skpetical.