The All Things Terry Thread

Knightingale said:
Yeah, there would be a certain irony if he waited years for us to be competitive and then priced himself off the team if we do win it.
That's the kind of decision that would likely haunt him (albeit while spending his millions!)

It boggles my head because I can't conceive of a life where I have the kind of money he already has! I feel like my head would be on establishing a legacy at this point. Help the team win a chip and cement your place in the teams ring of fame.
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Could always transition tag him also.
 
I haven't seen anything mentioning it in here, but I think Terry was 23 when he was drafted. Most WRs are usually 21 or so.

Is there any argument to be had in the fact there's less NFL tread on his tyres than some other 30/31 year olds? Is the decline factored simply due to age? Or is it due to wear and tear from NFL seasons?
Also, he's not had any significant injuries to put extra stress on the body.

I imagine that's what he's thinking, that he's a unicorn.

The truth of it is, that he could easily have signed a new contract for a few years at a reasonable team cost. Had a chance to win a championship here while Jayden is QB. It may then be tough to watch us draft his replacement at somepoint, but I feel like his game may mature gracefully with age rather than just drop off. He may not have the speed he used to, but he'll likely compensate with skill, knowledge and wiles. Kind of like Ertz has. He'd be like Jayden's Gronk (if you know what I mean.) The guy that even though he's lost a step, is still a WR that Jayden trusts and has a connection with build on years of play time together. He could have finished his career here in Washington before gracefully retiring, being placed in our ring of fame, and been hallowed by the fanbase for years to come. There's his recognition.

Instead he's alienating the fans and putting his future with the franchise at risk for a few extra millions. Trying to hold a Front Office to ransom for a history they had no part in. Risking the fact that they'll make him play out this year, Franchise him next year, and then cut bait when he starts his eventual decline. He'll sign a veteran type contract for any team that'll have him (maybe a contender, maybe not) but his legacy in Washington will be tarnished.
 
Knightingale said:
I haven't seen anything mentioning it in here, but I think Terry was 23 when he was drafted. Most WRs are usually 21 or so.

Is there any argument to be had in the fact there's less NFL tread on his tyres than some other 30/31 year olds? Is the decline factored simply due to age? Or is it due to wear and tear from NFL seasons?
Also, he's not had any significant injuries to put extra stress on the body.

I imagine that's what he's thinking, that he's a unicorn.

The truth of it is, that he could easily have signed a new contract for a few years at a reasonable team cost. Had a chance to win a championship here while Jayden is QB. It may then be tough to watch us draft his replacement at somepoint, but I feel like his game may mature gracefully with age rather than just drop off. He may not have the speed he used to, but he'll likely compensate with skill, knowledge and wiles. Kind of like Ertz has. He'd be like Jayden's Gronk (if you know what I mean.) The guy that even though he's lost a step, is still a WR that Jayden trusts and has a connection with build on years of play time together. He could have finished his career here in Washington before gracefully retiring, being placed in our ring of fame, and been hallowed by the fanbase for years to come. There's his recognition.

Instead he's alienating the fans and putting his future with the franchise at risk for a few extra millions. Trying to hold a Front Office to ransom for a history they had no part in. Risking the fact that they'll make him play out this year, Franchise him next year, and then cut bait when he starts his eventual decline. He'll sign a veteran type contract for any team that'll have him (maybe a contender, maybe not) but his legacy in Washington will be tarnished.
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his agent is going to have to explain that last part to him at some point
 
I was reading today that terry wants 35 + mil a year and the team offered 28. Has anyone else heard real numbers?
 
Knightingale said:
I haven't seen anything mentioning it in here, but I think Terry was 23 when he was drafted. Most WRs are usually 21 or so.

Is there any argument to be had in the fact there's less NFL tread on his tyres than some other 30/31 year olds? Is the decline factored simply due to age? Or is it due to wear and tear from NFL seasons?
Also, he's not had any significant injuries to put extra stress on the body.

I imagine that's what he's thinking, that he's a unicorn.

The truth of it is, that he could easily have signed a new contract for a few years at a reasonable team cost. Had a chance to win a championship here while Jayden is QB. It may then be tough to watch us draft his replacement at somepoint, but I feel like his game may mature gracefully with age rather than just drop off. He may not have the speed he used to, but he'll likely compensate with skill, knowledge and wiles. Kind of like Ertz has. He'd be like Jayden's Gronk (if you know what I mean.) The guy that even though he's lost a step, is still a WR that Jayden trusts and has a connection with build on years of play time together. He could have finished his career here in Washington before gracefully retiring, being placed in our ring of fame, and been hallowed by the fanbase for years to come. There's his recognition.

Instead he's alienating the fans and putting his future with the franchise at risk for a few extra millions. Trying to hold a Front Office to ransom for a history they had no part in. Risking the fact that they'll make him play out this year, Franchise him next year, and then cut bait when he starts his eventual decline. He'll sign a veteran type contract for any team that'll have him (maybe a contender, maybe not) but his legacy in Washington will be tarnished.
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He was 24 during his rookie year, and yeah we’ve talked about it a lot here.

NFL fall-off comes with age, not touches. That’s true at RB as well (minus the truly insane 500 touch seasons some guys have).

Statistically there’s no standing for the “tread left on the tires” theory for older but less experienced players
 
purbeast said:
Yeah but it's VERY easy for rumors to spiral out of control, coming from the one initial false claim. I've read studies about how easy misinformation is to spread in today's social media world.

I just don't take any speculation and all that crap as more than that, and I don't really base opinions of mine on those things. I know many people do and that's fine, but I don't.

We're talking about it because there's nothing else to talk about lol. I mean the last few pages are pretty much the same thing over and over. We're all just dying for something at this point.
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I disagree with this. The numbers of Terry's ask have been now reported by a bunch of folks, including Nicki J., Rap, Schefter and Rossini.

I'm assuming all of these reporters, who are essentially reporting the same thing, are getting their numbers from Peters or somebody who Peters has told to tell them.

If they are wrong, then Terry's side would come out and say, "Wait a second, the team is putting out mis-information. It's fake news. We want a fair deal, but what we're asking for is not that." And they would do that especially when you see the reports form people like Rossini and Keim who have asked around, and both have gone on record saying "league sources" do not think Terry will get what he's asking for.

But not one peep of "hey, not so fast" from them.

Because that's what they are asking for. It's legitimately the only reason they wouldn't come out and contradict it. At the very least to Rossini who had some information early on which almost certainly came from Terry's camp. So they know her phone number.

Until there is some reason to believe otherwise, I believe the reporting Terry is asking for the DK Metcalf deal, and the team is absolutely not willing to pay that.

Now, if Terry was to take the first 2 years of the DK deal, eh, that might be somewhat reasonable.
 
purbeast said:
Don't pay him, and let him play his contract out. Then franchise tag him the next year or two if he's still producing at a high level.

I have absolutely zero doubt that he will not be playing week 1, at least not by his choice.
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I didn't have doubt before, I have doubt now.

Because so far his side has not acted rationally or seemingly understands their leverage position.

Irrational people will do irrational things.

Ergo, it's possible Terry could do something unimaginably stupid.

I hope he doesn't. But based on where we are today, I could see him being advised to do something stupid.
 
Voice_of_Reason said:
I disagree with this. The numbers of Terry's ask have been now reported by a bunch of folks, including Nicki J., Rap, Schefter and Rossini.

I'm assuming all of these reporters, who are essentially reporting the same thing, are getting their numbers from Peters or somebody who Peters has told to tell them.
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This is one thing I haven’t understood. People have assumed that the info is coming from the team. When has any news leaked from Peters? It’s been the exact opposite since he has been in charge. We are all surprised by what has been done without a hint of it going on. I don’t know these reporters sources, but I do know that Peter’s track record since he has been the GM is that the internal information is kept to a tight circle with no one outside the building knowing. So unless he has changed, I don’t think they are getting it from Peter’s or really anyone from the team involved in the discussions. Time will tell and one day maybe someone will let us know.
 
Kel Varnsen said:
This is one thing I haven’t understood. People have assumed that the info is coming from the team. When has any news leaked from Peters? It’s been the exact opposite since he has been in charge. We are all surprised by what has been done without a hint of it going on. I don’t know these reporters sources, but I do know that Peter’s track record since he has been the GM is that the internal information is kept to a tight circle with no one outside the building knowing. So unless he has changed, I don’t think they are getting it from Peter’s or really anyone from the team involved in the discussions. Time will tell and one day maybe someone will let us know.
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He's the only person who benefits by putting out this information. Bram suggested he thought it came from the team.

Bram actually said they should have done it sooner.

Terry's side would be crazy to leak this information. So that leaves one other option...
 
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aledb11 said:
I dont see the tag being above 30. Mid 30s would be in par with the top 3 WRs in the league. I believe the tag is for the average of the top 10.
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Franchise tag for receivers next year likely going to be the low to mid 20's like 23 or 24 million. Lets say 24 million. However Terry would get more than that. Why?

  1. The tag equals the average of the top 5 WR cap hits over the last five years (2021 through 2025),
  2. Alternatively, it’s 120% of his prior year’s salary if that’s higher.

For 2025, the projected WR franchise tag is expected to be in the $23–24 million range (numbers fluctuate with the salary cap). Based on the 120% rule it would be 28 million and some change. However, Terry has incentives in his contract that give him extra money if he makes a pro bowl this year. The 120% also applies to the incentive money from the pro bowl so if he makes the pro bowl this year the tag would be 30 million and some change.
 
We only have to tag him if he proves hes worth it regardless. If tagging and trading him doesnt make sense, we offer him less than he wouldve gotten in an extension this year and if he walks, who cares at that point?

I feel bad for how far terry is behind the 8 ball and how his agent is shooting for the moon
 
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philibusters said:
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Franchise tag for receivers next year likely going to be the low to mid 20's like 23 or 24 million. Lets say 24 million. However Terry would get more than that. Why?

  1. The tag equals the average of the top 5 WR cap hits over the last five years (2021 through 2025),
  2. Alternatively, it’s 120% of his prior year’s salary if that’s higher.

For 2025, the projected WR franchise tag is expected to be in the $23–24 million range (numbers fluctuate with the salary cap). Based on the 120% rule it would be 28 million and some change. However, Terry has incentives in his contract that give him extra money if he makes a pro bowl this year. The 120% also applies to the incentive money from the pro bowl so if he makes the pro bowl this year the tag would be 30 million and some change.
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Thats this year’s tag. You’re looking for 2026 numbers. I’ve seen 28-29 over and over again aside from the outlier suggesting 35 a couple posts above.
 
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I want him gone. I don't care anymore. We can win without him, and I'd rather we take that path. We had a remarkable turnaround last season and our trajectory looks promising, so he's using unreasonable demands, thinking we'll cave in order to keep following that trajectory. And asking for a premium for putting up with the Snyder drama, all the while creating drama and distractions of his own...........priceless. I hope Peters shuts down negotiations and makes him play out the current contract.
 
purbeast said:
Whether it's bush league or not, it's still just business. And a lot of people are making it personal. I'm just choosing not to.
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i'm in the same boat. imo, people are attributing too much, borderline, malice and bad intentions. i just view it as misguided stubborness. stubborness is what got him into Ohio State from a borderline walk-on to a scholarship player. stubborness is what made him grind it out and work on his craft in the shadows at Ohio State. stubborness is what made him go from a projected special teams gunner, that was "overdrafted" in the third round, to where he's at today. i think Terry is a principled guy and, in his mind, he deserves more and is being stubborn AF about it. it's just a shame that this display of stubborness is based on a complete delusion.
 
prodigy said:
i'm in the same boat. imo, people are attributing too much, borderline, malice and bad intentions. i just view it as misguided stubborness. stubborness is what got him into Ohio State from a borderline walk-on to a scholarship player. stubborness is what made him grind it out and work on his craft in the shadows at Ohio State. stubborness is what made him go from a projected special teams gunner, that was "overdrafted" in the third round, to where he's at today. i think Terry is a principled guy and, in his mind, he deserves more and is being stubborn AF about it. it's just a shame that this display of stubborness is based on a complete delusion.
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That's a pretty interesting take prodigy, as it looks back on Terrys journey up to this point in time. Makes more sense of what's transpiring with this whole thing now. As you say, "stubborn mode" has served him very well, but isn't looking like a good, realistic servant in this current scenario.
 
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