Digesting this into some macro points and correct me if I am misreading you.
A. Rivera's bad drafting goes beyond his one trade down. I agree.
B. At different points in the draft there are better possibilities than who Rivera took. Agree, too. I was actually on ES made fun of for overreacting when they skipped on Gonzalez for Forbes. Darrisaw is the player I wanted instead of Davis, etc.
C. The more players you can pick, the more players you land. I actually agree with this and big time so.
D. Your conclusion is that A and B and C is somewhat proof that it really doesn't matter where you pick, it matters who you pick and there is always a player every round that's a hit. So why not us being the FO landing that hit round by round. And adding all those lottery picks improve the odds of hits.
So I agree with the premise of these points. Mind you, I've said multiple times I'd be good with a trade down if it includes a 2027 first rounder. But why wouldn't I for a 2nd rounder. Why?
A. It's simple i do think in many drafts and on first blush this one too, top half of the first round is easier to find top tier talent. Go through the 2022 draft. I like that one because you have three years for it to play out. You got some elite players going before Washington picked. Hutchinson. Gardner. Hamilton. Garrett. And some great ones like Walker, Drake London, Olave. Jordan Davis is good. Go through our pick 16 through 32, some nice ones you mention Lloyd, he's been good, actually started off meh, but had a good season this year but not an elite player. Karlaftis is a nice player, not a barn burner, and these are the BEST players in that 2nd half of that draft. Quay Walker is decent, nothing great. Some good players, some meh, some busts. You didn't find elite. I am not saying you can't find elite but its harder.
B. If judge every draft in every round by this best picks in each round -- with the idea of why can't be our team at every turn? It's just not realistic. Yeah there is going to be a great player picked in EVERY round. But name that GM who consistently is the one on the right side of all of that?
C. this is my larger point I don't disagree that we will get more good to solid players if we trade down. Heck I am the dude here who says that Peters didn't bomb the 2024 draft. If you compare his picks with the likelihood of success -- I gather you reject that premise of percentages but plenty use that metric I am not on an island with the success ratio per round, its commonly used. Peters did fine. 50% of 2nd rounders fail. You could reject that idea but just think about all the 2nd rounders we've had or take any random team and go through like 10 years of their picks. Sinnot and Sainristill contribute. Newton less so. McCaffrey for a late 3rd rounder is a good pick. Coleman good pick. MaGee for a 5th rounder -- good pick. Jean-Bapitise for a 7th rounder is a good pick.
If the idea is lets load up this roster with more McCaffreys, Macgees, Sainristil's and we can do so better by trading down. I 100% agree. But what's working against this thought for me is something Chris Cooley once said, the power of an elite player goes beyond the actual player. It has a ripple effect on the rest of the team. Playing next to an elite player often makes the other players better. Teams have to game plan for that dude and it takes focus off of someone else and helps that player unleash. The elite player often makes the big play in the big moment. It increases the confidence of other players to have that dude, etc.
Myles Garrett is obviously lol and extreme example but yesterday the joke was the Steelers were so focused on stopping him they changed their game plan for the worse and it contributed to a loss. We know this because just about every team we play against has a guy like that and we talk about said player the week leading to a game. Jayden was asked about the Ravens once and he goes wow they were the most confusing defense he's ever faced with Kyle Hamilton lining up everywhere. How do we stop Barkley and Jalen Carter. On and on and on.
I want a player like that more than adding good players. If Peters thinks that player exists if they trade down to 13 or whatever, I am on board. But the idea of me just endoring the idea of its always better to trade down and to say that Peters, Shanny, Cerrato, Rivera, McClougan all failed royally doing the same is because they were all incompetent, I am not in agreement. And lol, if I play along with that if Peters was fooled once, why couldn't he be fooled again? And if its that simple why isn't everyone trading down? Howie Roseman of late seems to like to trade up for dudes he covets.
I think you're picking up what i'm laying down..... but i'll just add that it's hard as hell to look at anything right now and determine whether trading down or staying put is the right call. That question can't even remotely be answered until we're on the clock. Who is available will be the biggest factor in that choice.
Yes you're right Rivera's bad drafting wasn't because of his trade back. Even with the trade back, the talent was still there and he missed it. I want to believe my GM wont miss it.... the day I pre-determine that my GM is so bad that he needs to have the highest draft pick possible because it's 'more' likely he gets lucky, then we're lost already.
as far as point 'D', yes i agree nobody can expect to always knock it out of the park, but I also think there needs to be an adjustment to expectations. The expectations of a 6/7 round pick of what should be considered a successful pick, at times, is out of line. I look at those picks as being a fringe Camp Cut who starts out making the team on ST. Seeing a guy like JCM seems like a massive win in the 7th round already.
Your point is valid if the argument isn't having more choices, and it's more about having a shot at elite talent, so maybe i was looking at the conversation the wrong way. I've had a lot of conversations that put the emphasis on a higher pick being better because there's more players to choose from, and my argument has always been, if the guy making the choice isn't good enough, the number of choices is irrelevant. It goes the same for trading back and having more picks..
now to pivot a bit to your later point...
I'm with you on needing more impact, but I also think you have to build your floor before you build your roof. Elite players go to bad teams and rarely do they actually turn them around quickly. Miles Garrett is a perfect example to this point. No that doesn't mean you pass on a guy like that, because we're clearly in a different position than the Browns are right now... just come back to my point from above. Take the right guy at the right time. If you're top 5 and you can get a difference maker, you do it. If there isn't a difference maker for you, and someone wants to dance, trade back and recoup value. Don't pigeonhole yourself into anything (not saying YOU are specifically doing it... just have seen a lot of binary arguments about 'do x' or 'do y' without much flexibility)
