The 2025 Free Agency Thread

I think somewhere in the $30-33M per year is the ballpark for Terry. DK is a great comparison for Terry. Same number of seasons, Terry has just a few more receptions, almost equal in total yards, but DK has half a yard more per reception, and 10 more TDs. Metcalf is also more than 2 years younger than Terry. Don’t see how Terry can reasonably ask for more than DK.
 
Deebo is way more of a commentary on the McCaffrey pick than the Sinnott pick imo, if we have to choose one. I’m not convinced it’s a commentary on either for the record— when you can add talent with a unique skillset, that you’re already familiar with, for a 5th round pick it’s kind of a no brainer.
 
If 37 million is the true line in the sand number for TM I can't imagine that if he were to try the open market anyone would be willing to give him that. I think the big obstacle here is length of contract and how it impacts us 2 to 3 years from now. Putting my homer glasses on I feel TM is in a great spot with this team right now and the grass may not be greener elsewhere, even if offered a little more than what we are offering. Admittedly I have no idea of the real numbers, length of contract, incentives etc or what the actual sticking point in negotiations are. I think he ends up signing here. Can't imagine what we do at WR if he doesn't this late in the year.
 
I think AP wants flexibility when he has to sign JD at the end of the 2026 season. Right now Deebo, Tunsil, and Lattimoe would be off the books at that time.

I don't know whats going to happen with Terry, he's good but not great and he's about to be on the otherside of 30. I think we want a 3 yr deal and he probably wants more years and money closer to $40MM. My guess is this gets done a week or so into camp but if they need to move him I'm ok with it, it would feel dirty but so would paying close to $40MM a year for Terry.

We could always use some more draft picks.
 
I think Terry is much closer to "great" than 'good" based on his performance with a string of below-average QBs and balling out the one year he had a star. He also contributes a lot to the culture, and obviously is a high priority for extension.

It's not like the team has no leverage though. He still has one year left on his current contract and they could franchise him the year after that. We are not losing him anytime soon. If he asks for a trade, well that depends on what we are offered. Just don't think it will come to that.
 
I really wouldn’t mind franchising him in 2026. By the end of that 2 year stretch, he’s probably starting to decline and if he does want to stay it may be at a more reasonable asking price?

I haven’t heard this possibility raised before but it might be exactly what Peters has in mind. Certainly better than wildly overpaying for TM just to keep from disappointing fans.
 
prodigy said:
I don't think 30 million is the reasonable mark. 33 to 34 is probably the right mark to put him above DK metcalf. if you think 30 million is the right price, we will lose Terry imo.

edit: if people think trading terry and extending Deebo is the right move, I question your intelligence. deebo is 29 now (4 months difference between him and Terry). there is no reality in the multiverse where it makes sense to extend Deebo (hoping he exceeds Terry) and letting Terry go (Boone, i'm not saying you are saying this, i'm just highlighting a point). as a receiver, there is no comparison between Deebo and Terry.
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Age has to be factored in as well. Terry and DK Metcalf have been in the NFL for the same number of years, but Terry will be 30 right around the start of the season, and Metcalf turned 27 in December.
 
Bulldog said:
I would not look to extend Deebo and Lattimore at this point. Although we gave up draft picks for them they will both be 30 by the end of the season.

If we pay McLaurin at 30 in the range of $30-33M a year we really have no business extending Deebo at a exponentially higher rate than he is now earning heading into 2026.

We need to continue to mix veterans in with draft picks and younger free agents.

I agree we should look to extend Tunsil. 30 for a left tackle is not old and unlike Deebo and Lattimore played up to his usual standard last season.

But other than Laremy and Terry, I would look to only sign long-term younger players that are going to be around for the next 3-5 years helping Daniels win games.

I personally like the Deebo trade. A #5 pick for a plug and play veteran is not much to give up and his guaranteed cap number for 2025 is not that high if he is productive.

But again at 29/30, I am not looking to extend him unless he forms a unique bond with Daniels during the 2025 season and he becomes a must have player.

The way I look at Deebo is he is going to make the catches and run the plays they originally thought Sinnott was going to as the 'Swiss Army Knife' of the offense.

Deebo's acquisition makes me think that Peters has his doubts Sinnott is going to be ready to do that even in Year 2 here.

Well, if Daniels becomes one of the best quarterbacks in the league, Newton is a starter, Sainristil is a starter, Coleman is a starter and we get something out of McCaffrey as a depth receiver and/or returner that is a very, very good return on the 2024 draft.

Sinnott in that analysis would be the potential bust pick.

No team goes through a 9 player draft and comes up with 9 winners.
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Yeah, we definitely traded for Deebo, because of Sinnotts rookie year.
 
I don't think Deebo has anything to do with Sinnott and more that behind Terry there just wasn't any reliable WR's. Randomly one of them might shine for an isolated game but I didn't really every expect them to beat coverage or get open. I will say that before he got hurt I thought Noah Brown was at least fulfilling the possession/move the chains role that I assumed his ceiling would be so I will credit him for that but beyond that Luke didn't live up to the training camp hype and Dyami Brown showed the same 3-4 big catches during an entire season he always does, which is basically to show you juuuust enought to wonder if the following season will be his breakout, but it never comes.

Assuming Terry & Deebo are starting Week 1, that right there is two options that I expect will be blowing up coverage and forcing defenses to overcompensate leaving exploits elsewhere.
 
I think the reasoning behind the Deebo signing was simple.

Last season, Washington had one weapon. Okay, two if you count Daniels' legs.

Ertz was solid and reliable, but not going to break a big play.
Noah, Oz, Dyami, and Crowder were okay.
Eckler was effective, but not really a weapon.
BRob was three yards and a pile of dust when he was healthy. When not healthy he's shown he can't even hit a single.

Thus, the team needed another player that demanded the opposing DC's attention. They needed someone that kept a DC up at night gameplanning. They couldn't go forward again with a roster where opponents could just focus on taking away Terry and have a good shot at limiting/stopping us. Deebo, if he returns to form, is a weapon. Now, it's possible that Luke McCaffrey can become a weapon, but he hasn't shown that he is one yet. It's possible that Lane could be a weapon, but when we acquired Deebo he hadn't been drafted yet. Sinnott is more likely to become a safety blanket and a chain mover than a weapon if he works out, but the front office didn't have any evidence that he could be one of those game changing tight end weapons.
 
But again, wasn't Sinnott supposed to be the fullback, tight end, slot receiver, etc. Swiss Army Knife for this offense?

Wasn't that why despite the college production Peters was willing to take him that high when others had him a round or two lower?

I agree that trading a #5 pick for Deebo if he stays healthy will feel like a complete steal for the 2025 season.

But the trade was not made in a vacuum.

I am not a coach but from what I saw or in fact didn't see last year - Sinnott on the field flashing at least some athletic ability from time to time on a big play or two - even if it was sporadic - leads me to believe until we see otherwise that he is perhaps a bust as a high draft choice.

The fact #5 pick Jordan Magee came in last year and picked up the defense and according to coaches was ready to make a contribution before his injury put him on IR and Sinnott seemingly couldn't seem to line up and execute the very basic assignments he was given is troubling to me.
 
"others had him a round or two lower" - who are these "others"? was there a disclosure of every team's draft board? are you talking about armchair mock drafters?

it's year 2, relax. if he shows no improvement this year, then so be it. what happened to giving rookies 2 to 3 years? unfortunately, not every rookie comes out of the gate the same way.

also, why does Deebo have to correspond to some indictment on sinnott? that is a weird comparison. why not OZ, Dyami, and Crowder who he actually replaces?
 
I'll admit I am concerned about Sinnott. The decreasing playing time is not something you want to see. Sometimes it takes a bit for TEs to develop--Logan Thomas comes to mind. He did zippity-doo-dah his first three-years in the league, then had a productive few years here.

I don't think Deebo is an indictment on Sinnott, so much as an improvement on Zaccheaus
 
The other factor that Deebo adds to this offense that was missing last season was explosive plays that don't require a ton of air yards on the throw to happen. Deebo is a blitz killer and not just for converting first downs. He will take that 3rd and 3 pass over the middle and run away from defenders on these all out blitz's. This offense already showed the ability to score points last season but I think Deebo is a weapon that helps you get chunks of yards and more explosiveness out of short to medium passes.

With Sinnott it's hard to say. I've heard some folks say a lot of TE's don't take that step until the second season. I also look at Ertz last season and feel they got way more production out of him than I felt he had left in the tank. The YAC was gone, but his hands were reliable and he made a lot of catches to move the chains. Passing opportunities to the TE outside of #1 on the depth chart are probably going to be limited as it is and maybe Kingsbury felt JD5 & Ertz had a good thing going and didn't want to disrupt it for the sake of development of Sinnott.
 
Riggo44 said:
I'll admit I am concerned about Sinnott. The decreasing playing time is not something you want to see. Sometimes it takes a bit for TEs to develop--Logan Thomas comes to mind. He did zippity-doo-dah his first three-years in the league, then had a productive few years here.

I don't think Deebo is an indictment on Sinnott, so much as an improvement on Zaccheaus
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Logan was undergoing a position shift from QB. I also hear Kelce used as a comparison of TEs that took a year to contribute, but in his case he was injured early in his rookie season and ultimately placed on IR. Not exactly apples to apples.

I agree completely vis a vis Sinnott/Samuel. They are not similar players at all nor is Ben remotely expected to be Deebo-like.
 
We overthink things. Peters is extremely familiar with Deebo and what he can do (to what degree he can still do those things is up for debate). He saw a chance to acquire him on the relative cheap, knew it would immediately boost our offense, and pulled the trigger.

I think trying to make that some kind of indictment of a rookie TE is an extreme stretch.

Would Peters and Company have loved to have seen a lot more from Sinnott in his rookie campaign? No doubt. I don't think that equates to them viewing him as a mistake or a disappointment. At least not yet.
 
Hail Raiser said:
Our WRs sucked, so we got the Deebo.

Lane is a really exciting pick and similar to Deebo
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I agree that Lane is an exciting pick, but I'm not feeling the Deebo vibe from him. It will be interesting to see how he adjusts to the NFL and how they use him.





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