The 2025 Draft Thread

Was listening to Logan Paulsen on Galdi and on another podcast. Speaking of Sinnott, he seems to think that one of their camp TEs, Cole Turner, Yankoff, Tyree Jackson has a shot to unseat Sinnott for the #3 TE.

Logan is always super polite and never comes off harsh when making a point. And I think he's a gem in general as to diving into this team. I don't always agree with him but I love his effort and how he explains the game. Anyway, he's opened my eyes some to the TE position. Him among others have explained about how sophisticated that spot is. More so, than the typical position. Basically, you are a hybrid O lineman who has to understand protections and also a WR who knows how to find that seam and defeat zone among other things in a nunanced way and your timing and precision in your route running is especially important as to building trust with a QB. Not that I had no conception of any of those points before but he really brings them home and explains it well.

Long story short, its not hard for me to piece together that he has concerns about Sinnott. Ditto the team considering how his playing time decreased as the season went on. And it seems to center on the mental part of the game for Sinnott. But as he's pointed out, it can still click for Sinnott or anyone for that matter -- it doesn't come overnight to every TE. Conversely, he's infatuated with Ertz. He's so good at finding the seam, selling his routes and seperating. Too bad we got Ertz at the end of his career but nontheless even at his age today, he's special.

I recall talking about Sinnott on ES. I liked him. Rated him a third rounder. And my main concern with him was he wasn't a hot seperator in college. During that same timeline, I mentioned that Brock Bowers was the best TE I ever watched. And I've watched a lot of college TEs over the years, its my favorite position to watch. The draft season before, I loved Laporta among others. But one thing Laporta and Bowers shared in college was they were very good seperators.

When Paulsen talks about how Ertz's seperation skills are almost art form, it brings home to me the importance of that skill. Seperating requires some savy smarts among other things. Not saying Sinnott isn't a smart dude. But I am saying that part of his game IMHO wasn't really that developed in college. But I liked Sinnott from this standpoint -- he was a physical player both as to being a blocker and as to YAC. But it sounds like to take that next level he has to refine his route running and take a major step up on that front.

Interesting about Tryee Jackson. He's bounced around the league in his QB to TE conversion. He's one heck of a beast as to being a physical speciman. It sounds like Logan has been impressed with what he's seen so far from him.



 
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Step-by-step: How Eagles’ Tyree Jackson went from failed QB prospect to intriguing TE in weeks

Former college quarterback Tyree Jackson has become a standout tight end in Philadelphia Eagles training camp this summer.
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“He’s impressed me,” Flacco said. “He moves really well, he’s got a huge catch radius. Then, once he gets the ball in his hands, he seems to run really well and have a strong stride, and he’ll be tough to take down.”


At least once every practice, Flacco, a former Super Bowl MVP, tosses the ball down the seam to Jackson for a big gain. In a way, Jackson has become Flacco’s unofficial wingman in camp, mainly due to his monstrous wingspan.



Jackson has shown off his reach in team drills, frequently making leaping grabs, with outstretched arms, over defenders in the middle of the field. While his surprisingly smooth route-running ability has helped him get open regularly, he’s also been able to take advantage of his rare size when he can’t create space.



“He’s probably longer than any player I’ve ever played with,” Flacco said. “I’m looking at him eye-to-eye and he’s probably eight inches longer on each arm.”



That length isn’t lost on the defense, either. As Jackson, 23, has progressed in camp, defenders like linebacker T.J. Edwards have taken notice.



“He’s big, he’s physical and he’s smooth in his routes,” Edwards said. “A guy with that athleticism and those intangibles is dangerous.”



Jackson entered training camp as a project. It takes time to convert from one position to another, and while Jackson is still figuring things out, he’s been turning heads in practice.



“Just having a feel and understanding for concepts has really helped,” Jackson said. “But, at the same time, it’s all new and I’m continuing to learn.”



The Eagles already have two top-tier players at tight end. Zach Ertz is still on the roster – despite the desire to head else – and Dallas Goedert is primed for his all-important contract year. The Eagles have kept only two tight ends following final cuts in each of the past two years, so Jackson – along with veteran Richard Rodgers, Caleb Wilson, Jason Croom and undrafted rookie Jack Stoll – is trying to force the team’s hand to keep a third player at the position. Of the players not named Goedert and Ertz at tight end, Jackson has been the standout.
 
I think Sinnnot was pretty universally well liked on the ES Board. He was in his fair share of mock drafts posters posted over there. Granted almost all the mock draft simulators had him available in the third and usually in the fourth round so he was usually taken in the 3rd or 4th round in those mock drafts rather than the second (and maybe that was a truer picture of his value), but he was generally a well liked prospect amongst the message boarders prior to teh draft. I think we were all a little surprised we took him so early, but since he was well liked most of us were okay with it. But so far its been a lesson in not reaching for a guy in the second round who has a third round grade. There is a chance we could have gotten him with pick 100 and taken Roger Rosengarten (Tackle was a big need at 53) and either taken Coleman as a Guard at 67 or gotten a defensive player like DE Jonah Ellis. Definitely a decent chance we lose Sinnot if that happens, but you cannot get so attached to prospects that it really bothers you if you lose them if they are not blue chippers.
 
skinsinparadise said:
Was listening to Logan Paulsen on Galdi and on another podcast. Speaking of Sinnott, he seems to think that one of their camp TEs, Cole Turner, Yankoff, Tyree Jackson has a shot to unseat Sinnott for the #3 TE.

Logan is always super polite and never comes off harsh when making a point. And I think he's a gem in general as to diving into this team. I don't always agree with him but I love his effort and how he explains the game. Anyway, he's opened my eyes some to the TE position. Him among others have explained about how sophisticated that spot is. More so, than the typical position. Basically, you are a hybrid O lineman who has to understand protections and also a WR who knows how to find that seam and defeat zone among other things in a nunanced way and your timing and precision in your route running is especially important as to building trust with a QB. Not that I had no conception of any of those points before but he really brings them home and explains it well.

Long story short, its not hard for me to piece together that he has concerns about Sinnott. Ditto the team considering how his playing time decreased as the season went on. And it seems to center on the mental part of the game for Sinnott. But as he's pointed out, it can still click for Sinnott or anyone for that matter -- it doesn't come overnight to every TE. Conversely, he's infatuated with Ertz. He's so good at finding the seam, selling his routes and seperating. Too bad we got Ertz at the end of his career but nontheless even at his age today, he's special.

I recall talking about Sinnott on ES. I liked him. Rated him a third rounder. And my main concern with him was he wasn't a hot seperator in college. During that same timeline, I mentioned that Brock Bowers was the best TE I ever watched. And I've watched a lot of college TEs over the years, its my favorite position to watch. The draft season before, I loved Laporta among others. But one thing Laporta and Bowers shared in college was they were very good seperators.

When Paulsen talks about how Ertz's seperation skills are almost art form, it brings home to me the importance of that skill. Seperating requires some savy smarts among other things. Not saying Sinnott isn't a smart dude. But I am saying that part of his game IMHO wasn't really that developed in college. But I liked Sinnott from this standpoint -- he was a physical player both as to being a blocker and as to YAC. But it sounds like to take that next level he has to refine his route running and take a major step up on that front.

Interesting about Tryee Jackson. He's bounced around the league in his QB to TE conversion. He's one heck of a beast as to being a physical speciman. It sounds like Logan has been impressed with what he's seen so far from him.



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SIP, I you had to guess (and to help us fight off the slow part of the year) who would you think to be the frontrunner in that battle?
 
bowhunter said:
SIP, I you had to guess (and to help us fight off the slow part of the year) who would you think to be the frontrunner in that battle?
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Got no idea since am not watching practice. But I figure I'll trust Logan at this spot more than most considering it the spot he played. Generally, OTAs and even minicamp can be deceiving. Small sample and the practices are light. But training camp is a different animal.

But as to the three players at TE that Logan referred to. I'll start with some TEs take years to develop. So that gives some of these projects hope including Sinnott.

A. Tyree Jackson. Reading up on him, he's been hurt by injuries. He's had some good camps judging by twitter but it hasn't clicked yet. As a speciman, he's clearly unreal. It took Logan Thomas years to click as a TE but to his credit he did enough early on to showcase that he can be a featured guy. That hasn't happened for Tyree yet. But I like the gamble of bringing him to camp.

B. Yankoff. Another QB turned TE but was also a RB in between. Good athlete but not a freak like Jackson. Logan likes to see he's an animal on special teams and brings some great physicality. As to him as a TE, don't know but he has unique tools.

C. Cole Turner. Not the best athlete. Like Sinnott not the best seperator. But he has a sick catch radius and good hands.
 
Latest Commander’s Log was good. Showed multiple times Peters turned down the temptation of the trade back to stick and pick a guy they had rated ahead of the pack.

Has our FO ditched the “Commander Tag” designation, or just stopped the social media team from letting us know who they are now? Part of me thinks they don’t want to advertise it like they did last year bc it puts the draft picks on different levels from each other. Creates false “calling card” type picks that have higher expectations from fans than they maybe should, etc. I could see Peters & Co. regretting being so open about the Commander Tag designation during their first draft last year. The “Commander Caucus” guys are still highlighted, Day 3 guys voted on by the scouts (Jaylin Lane was one)

I continue to appreciate how Josh Harris is around and observing his kingdom but does not take part other than to congratulate the staff and call the players.
 
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Latest Commander’s Log was good. Showed multiple times Peters turned down the temptation of the trade back to stick and pick a guy they had rated ahead of the pack.

Has our FO ditched the “Commander Tag” designation, or just stopped the social media team from letting us know who they are now? Part of me thinks they don’t want to advertise it like they did last year bc it puts the draft picks on different levels from each other. Creates false “calling card” type picks that have higher expectations from fans than they maybe should, etc. I could see Peters & Co. regretting being so open about the Commander Tag designation during their first draft last year. The “Commander Caucus” guys are still highlighted, Day 3 guys voted on by the scouts (Jaylin Lane was one)

I continue to appreciate how Josh Harris is around and observing his kingdom but does not take part other than to congratulate the staff and call the players.
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Yeah I watched it too. It was excellent.

They clearly were sold on those players where they didn't want to budge from their spot.

In the past, I used to celebrate trade downs but none of them really aged well. Almost every time, it would have been better to stick and pick.

All of their picks had moderate to heavy association to the team before the draft. So in some ways this team doesn't disguse which players they like.

Ron was of course a bad draft picker who oddly often had little contact with the players they ended up picking. It would come out later in interviews where players said this team wasn't much on their radar because of minimal contact.

This staff dives in deep into these guys including their personalities. I know among others Croskey-Merritt and Conerly were part of the Top Golf event. Top 30 visits -- combine, etc. This FO doesn't mess around. Ron seemed to like reading about the backgrounds of these guys and going with second hand knowledge. I recall for example, Ron saying he didn't need to spend time with Dotson because he knew he was a good dude based on what he heard about him.

I think Scot McClaughin was better than some give him credit for. I think his first draft was good. I felt in retrospect his 2nd draft was thwarted in part because he got overconfident because of the success of the first draft. It came out later he didn't dive in deep into the personalities of Doctson and Cravens. With Doctson he seemed to pivot to because he expected the Alabama center to be there at their pick. Reporters around Doctson could tell almost right away that he was big time shy and didn't come off like a dude who loved football. And Cravens being a weird dude also wasn't hard to detect.

My point is diving into the personalities is big time important, clearly. And the personalities aren't just about do they have a good background and are nice guys (that seemed to be Ron's drill) but also do they have the drive to be great.
 
It seems there is some disagreement about this, and I respect Paulsen’s opinion, especially about TEs, but I would be very surprised if we cut Sinnott this year. I understand he was somewhat disappointing last year, but he was drafted high enough and has not been so bad that I wouldn’t expect to give him at least two years to develop.

Same goes for McCaffery actually. It’s weird to me the high expectations so many people have for rookies. Sometimes it takes a little time for young guys to figure it out. I say give them a chance.
 
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Faithful Fan said:
It seems there is some disagreement about this, and I respect Paulson’s opinion, especially about TEs, but I would be very surprised if we cut Sinnott this year. I understand he was somewhat disappointing last year, but he was drafted high enough and has not been so bad that I wouldn’t expect to give him at least two years to develop.

Same goes for McCaffery actually. It’s weird to me the high expectations so many people have for rookies. Sometimes it takes a little time for young guys to figure it out. I say give them a chance.
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I tend to agree, but I think the signs are there that the FO is not "sour" on them, but certainly open-minded on cutting them loose. I think the signs are there for both of them.

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My point is diving into the personalities is big time important, clearly. And the personalities aren't just about do they have a good background and are nice guys (that seemed to be Ron's drill) but also do they have the drive to be great.
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What a huge delineator. Ron's big "gets" were generally the guys he liked as good guys. I think he was really hanging his hat on those guys while coach here. He did not seem to understand the importance of drive, and you had some interesting insight on his lack of prep - while I could guess that, I didn't see him actually say he knew stuff because of "hearing about it" - very telling line and certainly fits the results we saw on the field. He was truly in over his head here in so many ways.
 
I don’t think we’ve added nearly enough talent at TE to think they’d cut Sinnott loose going into year 2, even if they were disappointed in his development. He’d have to be a real turd in the locker room, we have very little receiving talent behind Ertz in the TE room. Bates is a stud in the blocking department, of course. But we’re one turned ankle from Ertz’s career being essentially over, without an NFL caliber receiving weapon at the TE position behind him on the depth chart. Sinnott will get every opportunity to grow until next draft, at least.

McCaffrey as well. Even adding Deebo + Lane, and re-signing Brown, to the WR room doesn’t bump him down enough to kick him off the roster, even if he’s not developing how they wanted. Even if he turns out to be an overdrafted nepo pick given his family’s familiarity with AP, we aren’t so stacked at WR that we couldn’t use a ST’s stud “glue guy” there as the 4th-5th option on gameday. Unless something absolutely insane happens, like Ja’Corey Brooks turning out to be the second coming of Victor Cruz in preseason, McCaffrey is safe for at least another year even with no development (and I doubt he’ll enter the season at “no development” levels).
 
I know we like to lump Sinnott and McCaffery together but for me, Sinnott was invisible in a far more surprising way than McCaffery was considering his pre-draft profile. McCaffery made some contributions albeit they were small, but I think that was to be expected given he was absolutely a 'project pick' selected on the basis of his athleticism and pedigree given his inexperience even at the college level at WR. A couple small positives - he had a 75% catch rate on the 24 balls that came his way. He had some decent YAC on those receptions. He also contributed on ST (I would ask why he didn't get more opportunities on ST?) as a kick returner, averaging 30 yds/return and almost busted one all the way.

If you'd have told any of us after last year's draft that our Rd 2 selection would only have 5 balls thrown his way all season, we wouldn't have believed you. Sure, he caught all 5 passes and 1 of them was for a TD, but that's as close to being invisible as you can get - on a fairly weak team when it comes to dominating pass catchers. I think that's pretty concerning for a guy you used your 2nd pick in the draft on. He could turn out to be great - but if we are all being honest, we are giving Adam Peters the kid gloves treatment so far, and that's understandable given the shocking success of the team overall. I think you could make a pretty strong case that (other than Jayden Daniels - and yeah, that's a huge caveat) that Peters has been pretty 'meh' in the draft so far and has done much better in free agency. But it's early.
 
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