The 2025 Draft Thread

I feel optimistic about our draft for two reasons:

1) I think Peters, Newmark, and company are good at what they do
2) (and this may outshine 1) I think we have the coaching staff to maximize our players' potential. The problem with drafting a raw guy like Jamin Davis isn't that he's raw. The problem is we didn't have the coaches to refine, cut, and help him out. Davis, as an example, may have had first round measurables, but he never had a chance under Rivera's crew. He probably never should have been picked in the first round anyway, but if you're going to pick a raw clay player you need to have a master sculptor on hand to work with them.
 
Great stuff, SIP. Sure glad your on BGO with the rest of the gang from ES. Yes, my eyes see Marks burst as top 3 of RBs. My eyes deceive me but it's what I see. He will get you 5 to 10 yards and more in some runs. He has great hands and I like that and I agree with the Ekeler comparison.

I like Johnson a ton. His burst seems a tad slow (others say his burst is good) and again, my eyes probably deceive me. If AP were to draft Johnson with our #61 if we still have it, I'd be good with that, if Henderson was already taken.

Giddens, I think is available until the very early 4th (to about pick #112). If so and we didn't have a RB, he be a great get if we had an early 4th pick acquired in a Day 1 or Day 2 trade. Only issue with him that has been spoken about is his receiving hands and his pass and run blocking are meh.

Final thoughts in this post is I get the feeling that AP is going hard for EDGE, S or visa versa CB and then RB. If he trades down (which I believe he will) then depending on who is available and if AP re-adjust things on his board with whoever is available at that time, RB could be an option in the 2nd or 3rd round.

I wonder also about DT. He's hit and miss as far as info (Tony Pauline) but I liked to read that Ty Robinson is on their radar, if true. It's a killer draft for DT. It looks like judging by 30 day meetings they have some late round corners on their minds too.

Could be DE, DT, then RB, then CB, S?

Judging by their meetings maybe its simple BPA with those positions and they deal with it as they come per round.

Just a gut take, but as for RBs maybe they have a player or two on their radar early and if they happen to fall to 61, like Henderson for example, they grab them if not they punt to later in the draft.

Henderson in particular fits them so well, that its hard for me to imagine he's not hot on their radar. I love Kaleb but don't know the fit one way or another -- he's so outside zone oriented.

Giddens IMO is a bit different than Henderson, but he has those explosive runs like him and is just as fast at a bigger size. Tuten IMO is intriguing speed threat deeper in the draft, don't know if he lasts until the late 4th. So is RJ Havery.

Sampson is fast but without a ton of explosive runs in college but wonder about him too considering his potential and how feisty he is in the red zone.

As McShay said on a podcast and someone else did too, hard to find good pass protectors in this class. On that front, Henderson is good. Hampton is good. Monangai is good. Lequint Allen is good. I think Woody Marks is good even though PFF gave him a low score on that front. But so many are meh to poor at it. They will have to learn to do it. And I wonder for a win now team do they have the patience to deal with it?

As far as Woody Marks, don't like that he's already 24 and change. Love Harvey but he has that same issue. By 28 a lot of RBs lose it. So they will have a short shelf like. Both are really good with the balls in their hands in space. Harvey is IMO the better runner and better player overall. But Marks is very underrated.
 
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I feel optimistic about our draft for two reasons:

1) I think Peters, Newmark, and company are good at what they do
2) (and this may outshine 1) I think we have the coaching staff to maximize our players' potential. The problem with drafting a raw guy like Jamin Davis isn't that he's raw. The problem is we didn't have the coaches to refine, cut, and help him out. Davis, as an example, may have had first round measurables, but he never had a chance under Rivera's crew. He probably never should have been picked in the first round anyway, but if you're going to pick a raw clay player you need to have a master sculptor on hand to work with them.

I agree generally. But its not always easy. I liked Sinnott in the last draft but thought he was a bit of a project as for learning how to seperate, etc. At least in season one, he didn't evolve. L Paulsen seemed to politely even suggest that he might have regressed because the staff trusted him less with assignments as the season progressed. Will see what happens next. But a 2nd round pick is high pick so fingers crossed.

I do think this coaching staff is way better than the previous one. With Jamin Davis who I watched a lot before the draft and talked about him. To the extent that some in that draft thread though he was "my guy" albiet he wasn't. I didn't advocate they take him at 19. What he lacked was instincts. Some LBs just seem to know where the ball is going. Jamin always seemed a beat behind. I was hoping those instincts would develop in the pros but they never did.

Love this staff and Peters but of course they aren't perfect. They made some picks that may or may not work out. The Lattimore trade isn't off to a hot start. they will stumble and that's OK, all teams do. And I like that they are into the narrative about players. I am just hoping that one of their inevitable mistakes (considering all FOs made mistakes) is that they don't get too carried away with the narratives. I saw the Dotson, Forbes, Davis picks as more of a sexy narrative pick with the previous staff -- all different narratives -- over obvious better college players who they could have picked instead. Picking Oladejo over lets say Nic Scouton or JT, or Swinson would feel like we are betting on the dude over players who were much more productive. And I am not saying they do it. But I do have some fear of it. Will see.
 
I got to watch Schwesinger. I've spent no time on the LBs, its the only position I haven't watched.

I've watched some Oladejo and I like what I saw, need to watch more. But he has the worst pass rush win rates among the 30 or so DEs that I've compiled stats on. I know he's new to the position and the thought is he will keep growing. But on the surface, it feels like a Ron Rivera style pick if they pick him in the late first or in the early 2nd in a trade down. The PFF guys were talking about all the hype around him the other day saying they get it if its the late third or early 4th but doesn't warrant an early pick like the buzz has been. Not that I need to hear that from them. But to me their late round 2nd at the earlier for Oladejo.

Why it would feel Rivera style if it went earlier, it would feel more like they are in love with the narrative over more productive and proven players at the same position. I get that Oladejo is a great locker room guy and plays hard and is a "Commander" type of dude. But don't IMO overdraft him for that reason.

As a pure pass rusher, I would take some guys with less buzz like Gillotte and Swinson before Oladejo. Stewart, too. But lol, don't want to jinx it. Last time I made a similar point before the draft was knocking the idea of taking Forbes in the first round when the buzz started to build that we liked him more than most and I made the case that was too early.

I'll say this though I do like everything I hear about Oladejo's personality and like that he plays with oomph. And he's a good run stuffer. So even if the pass rushing chops don't develop, I don't think there is any concern about him being a bust.

As far as personality goes, I've read that Princely isn't the hottest dude. Too bad, because if he checked out on that front, he'd be another guy I'd like in the late 2nd.

I suspect at the moment if I had to guess we will wind up with one among these guys: JT, Scourton, Oladejo, Landon Jackson.
Really like the Oladejo example of a classic Rivera overdraft. I can't understand why there have been conversations and mocks by "professionals" that have him being selected at the end of the 1st or beginning of the 2nd. When his name was being mentioned in the beginning of the draft process he was a 4th round dude. What has he done to improve to rounds...his interviews?

What is both frustrating and great is, we really don't know for certain what their real plan will be or who they really like. Love that they are tight lipped.

After all the off-season moves, it makes the DL the hardest to figure what they are really going to look for. Perhaps a big DE/Edge good in pass rush and versus the run like AP likes, a pass rush specialist, a big run stuffing NT type, a DT that can be a disruptive and perhaps move to DE at times? Or like you have suggested, do they double dip on DL in this draft. My gut is they only go with one DL (edge/DE) unless they accumulate late round picks and grab a NT later.
 
I think that's fair. My caution (and I don't think you're saying the book is written yet) is that it's premature to judge either the evolution of a raw player or a coach's ability to coach them up after their rookie season. Raw clay takes more time to work, but if you have a good kiln, the right glazes, tools, and a kiln set at the right temperature the result can be a heckuva lot better than the oven-baked stuff or the assembly line stuff.

The benefit of the assembly line stuff is, of course, you get fewer negative surprises. You know what you will get and it will be consistently okay, good, and often satisfying. However, it's almost impossible to get a master work when working with an IKEA set. On the other hand, sometimes raw clay has impurities that make it impossible to work with and no matter what you do the thing won't shape up. I guess part of the trick is knowing when to sculpt and when to go retail.
 
Big fan of Collins watched him for a couple years now I'd love the Commanders to look his way too.
He is one of the more intriguing players for me. Can he be able to learn pass rush moves and counters? If it is possible, he would be a great pick. He is definitely a guy I'd be doing a deep dive into and want to interview if I were AP and company. He will clog the middle better than most
 
Why should the Commanders trade down from No. 29?

NFL draft analyst Jeremy Greene was presented with this scenario and gave a substantive reply that the Commanders fan base will find informative. I've got to protect Jayden Daniels. So I traded down at 29 with the NY Jets to 42. Washington only has five picks, so I feel like you have to trade down."


42. OT Josh Conerly
61. RB Kaleb Johnson
73. DL Ashton Gillotte

I wouldn't hate this scenario love all 3 players but don't see Conerly falling that far.
 
I saw the Dotson, Forbes, Davis picks as more of a sexy narrative pick with the previous staff -- all different narratives -- over obvious better college players who they could have picked instead. Picking Oladejo over lets say Nic Scouton or JT, or Swinson would feel like we are betting on the dude over players who were much more productive. And I am not saying they do it. But I do have some fear of it. Will see.

I thought that was definitely true with Jamin Davis and Dotson. With Forbes, I thought he was a great college player who had a better college career than Christian Gonzalez and Deonte Banks. Plus that draft with Forbes was just a weak first round draft class. I think Gonzalez was the guy who had the traits and a really good final season, but before that final season, he hadn't stood out. Banks was another guy with the traits, but he never really broke out in college. He was a good football player for Maryland but never had a great season. With hindsight the guy with the traits and production (even if it was only for one season), Gonzalez was the right pick, but after the draft I bought into the Forbes narrative pretty hard--three years in college and was good right away as a true freshman. 14 interceptions in the SEC in 2.5 years of starting. Early breakout and sustained good player, elite ball skills.
 

42. OT Josh Conerly
61. RB Kaleb Johnson
73. DL Ashton Gillotte

I wouldn't hate this scenario love all 3 players but don't see Conerly falling that far.

That was my initial thought too. I I think that draft was done as a realistic best case scenario where guys are taken in spots they could realistically fall to in a best case scenario for a team. But that doesn't mean a guy will likely fall to that spot, perhaps there is only a 15 or 20% chance a guy is available there--but best case scenario draft.
 
Oladejo was someone I kind of mentally marked down as a target for 79.

Now that we don't have 79, not sure if he's a likely pick anymore, unless they love him enough for 61. I feel like he'll be gone by our pick in the 4th, but if he isn't he pretty high priority.

Scourton is sneaking up on the 2nd tier of guys (Carter tier 1, the 6 usual suspects in tier 2) from my mental 3rd tier.
 
Kyren Lacy apparently killed himself…


A grand jury was set to start hearing evidence in his case tomorrow morning on the charges of hit-and-run driving with serious injury or death, reckless operation with accident, and negligent homicide.

Source- WAFB Channel 9 Houston
 
RIP Kyren.

One night, after my first talk at a parish retreat, a gentleman stopped me in the back of the church.

“Father Joe,” he said, “my son committed suicide. I found his body hanging in the hall closet.”

I replied in shock: “How did you handle that?”

He answered: “I can honestly say that I didn’t see him hanging. I saw him in God’s arms. When you held up that picture tonight, it was the first time I ever saw that picture, but that was what I saw. I saw my God holding my son.”
 

42. OT Josh Conerly
61. RB Kaleb Johnson
73. DL Ashton Gillotte

I wouldn't hate this scenario love all 3 players but don't see Conerly falling that far.
The extra picks(s) generated would be excellent. I am hoping one of the first two picks is defense (DL or DB) and the other a RB. Would love Kaleb at 61 but I don't see him around at 61.
 

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