shouldn't be surprised

By the by, I always enjoy reading Serv's reasoned and well-written responses. You're one of the best, my friend.

SG, you embarrass me, bud. :blush: I think I've mentioned before that blushing is hell on an older, ah, "gentleman's" complexion.:rolleyes:

Thanks for the compliment, my friend. And may I say back that I, personally, would like it if you popped in a bit more often with your fascinating perspective. :)
 
All the talk of our 2-0 division record is somewhat overblown. Although if you're going to have 2 wins, those are two nice ones to have - we have 2 very tough games upcoming. We need to win at least one or our division 'lead' will be very short-lived.
Agreed. And though I'd love to win them both, if I could only pick one, I pick Green Bay.

Conference wins are much more important.
 
Agreed. And though I'd love to win them both, if I could only pick one, I pick Green Bay.

Conference wins are much more important.

Agreed. Although both the Colts and Packers have struggled so far, I just don't see how we can beat either team. Their passing attacks are just too good, and our pass-defense is just too awful. We shall see I suppose.
 
Agreed. Although both the Colts and Packers have struggled so far, I just don't see how we can beat either team. Their passing attacks are just too good, and our pass-defense is just too awful. We shall see I suppose.
If Rogers and Hall can replicate their coverage of the eekle's WR's again this week, I've got a hunch we can get to Rodgers. Boy holds the ball for a long time.

Maybe Orakpo and Carter can show him some of the same kind of sandwich love Hall and Moore showed the dog killer.

I look for Moss to make amends for his last game against the Pack, too.
 
In the "I'd like to see" dept:

1) more 3 and outs forced by the D

2) more 4 man fronts

3) d-line & backers keeping to gaps to prevent cut back runs that have been killing us; got better in the Iggles game but still needs improvement

4) no more of that 3 man front with center and weak side guard uncovered by a linemen or backer!!!!

Haven't been watching the mix of man/zone and hybrid coverages too much but will do more so to understand what is really going on w/pass defense. been watching the pass rush end of things too much. not clear to me how Moore is being used.
 
The key to either upcoming game is our running game. The Packers rank 24th overall against the run in yards allowed per game, the Colts 29th. The Colts overall D ranks 24th and the Packers came in surprisingly 10th. I thought they were top 5 ranked. If we can get Torain going at or about 20 carries and Portis to spell him 10-15 carries, we could have a chance at either game.

But, if our offense shows up like it did the past 2 weeks and does not give our defense a chance by keeping either high powered offense off the field like we have seen all season long, we are in big trouble!
 
The key to either upcoming game is our running game. The Packers rank 24th overall against the run in yards allowed per game, the Colts 29th. The Colts overall D ranks 24th and the Packers came in surprisingly 10th. I thought they were top 5 ranked. If we can get Torain going at or about 20 carries and Portis to spell him 10-15 carries, we could have a chance at either game.

But, if our offense shows up like it did the past 2 weeks and does not give our defense a chance by keeping either high powered offense off the field like we have seen all season long, we are in big trouble!

that'll be big...no doubt. who takes Portis' place?
 
The key to either upcoming game is our running game. The Packers rank 24th overall against the run in yards allowed per game, the Colts 29th. The Colts overall D ranks 24th and the Packers came in surprisingly 10th. I thought they were top 5 ranked. If we can get Torain going at or about 20 carries and Portis to spell him 10-15 carries, we could have a chance at either game.

But, if our offense shows up like it did the past 2 weeks and does not give our defense a chance by keeping either high powered offense off the field like we have seen all season long, we are in big trouble!

Thoughts from a Packer fan.

While the statistics would agree with you, I'd think twice about forcing the run issue if I were Shanahan.

In three of the Packers four games, the leading rusher for the opposing team was their QB (Vick-103, Cutler-37, Hill-53). Scrambling QB's have been the achilles of the Packer run defense this year, and McNabb may well add to that. Opponents have not, however, had much success running the ball on the Packer defense in the traditional sense.

Where the Packers are vulnerable, aside from the scrambling QB's, is the defensive secondary. So far our QB pressure has been able to hide that weakness but don't kid yourself, it is there.

Rookie strong safety Morgan Burnett was the starter but went down last week with a torn ACL leaving the Packers extremely thin. Atari Bigby remains on PuP and the two remaining backups are less than stellar. Inexperienced Derrick Martin or journeyman Charlie Peprah will get the start.

Rookie UDFA Sam Shields was inactive last week but should be back in his nickel back role this week. He's talented but raw. Jarrett Bush would play nickel in his place if Shields can't go, and he's a penalty or big play waiting to happen for the Redskins. Ugh.

This game scares me as a Packer fan, to be honest.

The one equalizer is our pass rush against the Redskin O-Line. If the rush continues and the Packers are able to pressure AND CONTAIN McNabb, I think the Packers will prevail. If McNabb is able to get rid of the ball ahead of the rush or scramble to daylight, it could get interesting.

For what it's worth, Laron Landry is a beast. He has quickly become my favorite Redskin and I look forward to watching him in person this weekend.
 
APB, I would suggest that there may be another Packer weakness that may give an advantage to the Redskins.

Special teams. Neither Tramon Williams nor Jordy Nelson are much of a threat to return punts for 20 yards or more. The Packers are only averaging about 8.8 yards per punt return and when you played the Eagles you only had one return for 10-11 yards out of the 5 times the Eagles punted. I don't know if you watched the Redskins-Eagles game but we have Brandon Banks who returned three punts against the Eagles for 75 yards including one for 53 yards. He has the capability to rip off a 40-50 yard punt return at any time-probably not more than one every one or two games, but something to keep in mind. Crosby, as you know, has come under criticism for missing the occassional FG at inappropriate times-he has been better this year except for going 1 for 2 against the Bears, of course, we have a commensurate problem with our punter Bidwell shanking punts or kicking the occassional 30 yard chip shot. Our FG kicker Gano has been good-when his FG attempts haven't been blocked.

I think your observation about your need to contain McNabb is accurate and one worrisome thing for me, frankly, is the decision earlier to shift Matthews to LOLB which means we're probably looking at having to double-team him as the Bears did. On the other hand, Clifton simply cannot stop Brian Orakpo-he'll need help-I don't think Bulaga or Crabtree could either one-on-one; you're probably looking at several holding calls in the making here.

As far as containing Rodgers, he's likely to see pressure from both sides and from the middle-if Haynesworth plays like he did against Philly, Wells and Colledge are going to have their hands full. As, of course, our own Rabach will with B.J. Raji.

The potential matchups in this game are fascinating-this could, I think, be a very tight and interesting to watch game.
 
Thanks for the insight, APB! Well done.

I also agree with you - if Trent Williams does not play in this game, I don't know if we have much of a chance. If he does, it will give Cooley the chance to eat up your secondary; otherwise he'll be relegated to a lot of pass-blocking.
 
See, servumtuum, you just had to go and bring up special teams. Thanks for ruining my morning coffee.

:tantrum:

Seriously, there isn't a team in the league that doesn't hold a distinct special teams advantage over the Pack. You raise a good point with your analysis, one that I hope does not rear its ugly head once again for the Pack.

The individual match-ups will also be fun to watch. Orakpo against the our tackles, Landry against Finley, Mathews against whomever he lines up against - ditto for Woodson. Should be a fun game to watch.
 
Agreed. Although both the Colts and Packers have struggled so far, I just don't see how we can beat either team. Their passing attacks are just too good, and our pass-defense is just too awful. We shall see I suppose.

A week ago I didn't gie us a chance in hell to beat the iggles either, but it happened.

In a way, this has kinda sorta resembled the 82 season so far. Butt ugly wins.
But hey,whatever.
 
APB:

- does the Pack mostly operate from single back sets with 4 receivers (including TE) or TE mostly used for blocking? This will impact whether Skins have to play nickel or dime packages and therefore our pass rush: getting to Rogers is the key for me. the more emphasis there is on our d-line to generate pressure the greater disadvantage we are at...IMO.

- who is the back-up QB for you all and what is your RB situation? (isn't Grant injured?)
 
A week ago I didn't gie us a chance in hell to beat the iggles either, but it happened.

Main difference was that it was the Eagles - division rival that we see twice a year. No matter how bad any NFC East team is, its usually a toss-up in those games.
 
got that. but who's the second back for the next 4-6 wks? williams?

When I made that statement, I was unaware of the seriousness of the injury to Portis. Is Simpson gonna be activated? Is Williams even available? Dare we bring Willie Parker back? :insane:

APB was right, after looking into it a little further, the rushing attack of opposing teams has been mediocre. It has been the rushing yards from the QB that has padded the 24th in the league against the run Stat. We better find a way to dink and dump on these guys to ease the pressure they like to bring or it will be a long day because it doesn't look like our run game will get off the ground.

This would be a great day to find Fred Davis and Chris Cooley active in the game plan, maybe a couple of quick slants to the young speedster Banks to open things up a little?
 
When I made that statement, I was unaware of the seriousness of the injury to Portis. Is Simpson gonna be activated? Is Williams even available? Dare we bring Willie Parker back? :insane:

APB was right, after looking into it a little further, the rushing attack of opposing teams has been mediocre. It has been the rushing yards from the QB that has padded the 24th in the league against the run Stat. We better find a way to dink and dump on these guys to ease the pressure they like to bring or it will be a long day because it doesn't look like our run game will get off the ground.

This would be a great day to find Fred Davis and Chris Cooley active in the game plan, maybe a couple of quick slants to the young speedster Banks to open things up a little?

Donovan doesn't strike me as a 3 step and dunk it QB. He's more 7 step drop and go deep.
 
Looks like Nick Barnett (wrist) may be out this week for the Pack. With Brandon Chillar (shoulder) also hurting, that leaves two healthy ILB's on the roster - AJ Hawk and Desmond Bishop. That bodes well for any plan of establishing the run game for the Redskins.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/104451894.html

fansince62 - McCarthey will show the Washington defense more looks than probably any other team they face this year. He loves to confuse the defense and get matchups that favor his receivers. You'll see everything from two FB/TE sets to empty backfield five wide. Expect to see Finley in the slot quite a bit, too.

Matt Flynn (LSU) is the backup QB.
 
APB, I remember reading somewhere, and I can't remember where, that fans are unhappy with the play calling, particularly on offense. Heck, you may have said it and I just don't remember.

Either way, could you either elaborate on that if true, or point me to a place in which you have already elaborated?
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thanks APB. it'll be interesting to watch how the Skins D...particularly the secondary....adjusts.
 

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