Remember when I said the Oline sucked and people argued with me?

BB, I love you brother, but leading in the pick'em contest is so far below meaningless it ain't even funny.

Ry, just like a lot of other people, gets it right now and then. His problem is that he can't stop playing with himself in front of everyone if he does.

The troll part comes into play because his approach is calculated to draw attention to himself. And to purposely present his opinions so that they create maximum controversy. He's reading all this right now with one hand probably spanking the monkey.
 
Ax, I completely understand. Some do draw attention to what they say and do. I simply don't have a problem with it. Now, if anyone here who is always wrong and is so obnoxious, then I would feel the same way. LogicalVoiceSays over at PFT is a good example of such a person and he/she makes Redskins fans look like idiotic morons. That is where I draw the line.
 
BB, thanks for the kind words. I also find your football knowledge to be right on, and it's often educational.

I love the members who aren't only Redskin-centric. Those who know that there are plenty of great players around the league who aren't on our roster. Some are even on obscure teams. I can tell that you watch a ton of football.

I also like that you know your college football players--it makes your mock drafts 10x better than most I see. You are a rarity on most Skins boards.

And Ryman, I tend to disagree on your O-line assessment. They are exceptional at run blocking, and weak at pass blocking. That combination alone makes them an average line. Far from being one of the worst in the league.

Griff and the receivers are also to blame for many of our sacks. Ditto for Kyle.
 
The monkey had nothing to do with this lose and certainly doesn't deserve to be beaten.
 
Oh how soon we forget....

We claim to be the most intelligent Redskins community on the web and yet we can't even remember our recent history. :frown2:
 
Yes, I'm wondering BB, how you reconcile the fact that of the two guys who are always right, one thinks our OL is terrible and the other thinks it's top five material? :)
 
BTW, the offensive line was opening HUGE holes for Morris in the first half. I mean, Superbowl 22-type holes. Eventhe announcers were shocked at how well they were doing.

Our problem in that game was not the offensive line, though it started to collapse in the second half. Our problem was our defense.

I mean, if you're gonna pat yourself on the back for being right about something, defense is your best option here. Just sayin.
 
I don't know where some of you guys get the idea that it's okay to single out a member and gut him? If it were you getting gutted here, I feel pretty confident that it wouldn't feel very good or be appreciated.
 
That's the flaw in the scheme folks.

Shanahan thinks he can ONLY get production on the ground by going with an undersized offensive line that is then exposed in the passing game, which leads to hits on the quarterback and turnovers.

There are many teams in this league that run stretch plays and take elements of ZBS but do so while fielding an OL with adequate size, strength and talent to win battles at the LOS.

People criticized Joe Gibbs for coming back in 2004 and trying to run a variation of his 1992 offense.

Well, Shanahan seems stuck in 1998-1999. A lot has happened in the NFL since then.

One thing he definitely has not grasped is that with talent thinned out around the league, it is more important than ever to protect the health of your quarterback.

I can't think of a team that goes out of its way to expose the qb as much as the Redskins do.

Doc Walker made a good point this afternoon that he is shocked that a team at 3-6 and with the overwhelmed interior OL from the past 3-4 weeks, that NO personnel moves have been made to give other players a chance.

He seems stuck on Lichtensteiger, Chester and Montgomery even though the evidence is there that they are not getting it done.
 
Well, not to parrot too much but Walker was saying that Shanahan has had Compton, Gettis, LeRibeus and Hurt on the roster for 2 years prepping them and if they are worse than what is out there on the field right now than the team is going to need a new OL.

LeRibeus was a third round pick. He's 6'3 and 315. Hurt can come off the IR now I believe, he's 6'4 and 325.

Perhaps its time to see if these boys can play some.

But I keep forgetting, we have to win 7 in a row and make the playoffs at 10-6 so we can't make any changes.

As you know 4 teams since 1976 have made the playoffs starting 3-6 and the Redskins are one of them.

So, we know lightning can strike twice. Right? :)
 
Yes, I'm wondering BB, how you reconcile the fact that of the two guys who are always right, one thinks our OL is terrible and the other thinks it's top five material? :)

Top five for opening holes for RBs - sure. Terrible in pass protection - sure. I understand what both are saying even without it being some sort of football Rorschach test. Alfred Morris can set records with this line. Robert Griffin can get killed with this line.

I don't know where some of you guys get the idea that it's okay to single out a member and gut him? If it were you getting gutted here, I feel pretty confident that it wouldn't feel very good or be appreciated.

I would really like to see Jonathan Martin at RT for the Redskins. He's a solid player. Just hope Redskins fans would accept him. Redskins fans tend to turn on their best player(s) in just one game and accept them as family the next game. When a few fans rock the boat of traditional thinking, they tend to be subject to the same behavior.

I have always liked outside the box thinking and anyone who goes even further and stands their ground alone. Right or wrong, I can respect it. It also forms the basis for part of my signature - a sig that has been there for a long time.
 
well im not overly concerned, the two asshats whinging about me rarely give us any sort of analysis and stick to posting herd mentality posts. I go out on a limb quite often, and I dont exactly leave room for myself to backtrack because I leave no doubt about what I think. oddly enough I am right far more than I am wrong, I know that bothers some people, and im ok with that. its even funnier that Ax tries to say im captain obvious, I dont recall too many other people agreeing with me about the defence at the start, or with Mcrapp, or several other things that went against the herd mentality. saying I cherry pick is stupid to the point of idiocy, seeing as its rather obvious I speak my mind.

I challenge anyone to find when I have been wrong and didnt admit it, as a matter of fact the only time ive been wrong is when I was against RG3s trade, and even now there is a valid argument that we could potentially have been better off having gone in another direction. but I still manned up and said I was wrong.

Heres the deal. I dont believe in false humility, and when someone argues with me and is wrong I have no problem reminding them about that, especially when its rude and somewhat dense people who get pissy at being reminded that there are in fact people who know more about football than they do. if they find solace in talking smack about me, I probbaly wont go home and cry. Mike and Ax would be two guys who have been on the wrong end of arguments with me, but rather than wait for me to be wrong (which admittedly would be a long wait) they just whine about me when I post.

I am not happy about losing, I was actually hoping I would be wrong about the Oline, and wrong about the defence, but I clearly am not.

saying the Oline is good last year or this year is misleading, we cannot block in pass pro, we cannot run the ball if we arent running zone or read option, we make older guys who are done look like they are in the prime of their careers, we made Ponder look like peyton. at this point, this team doesnt inspire confidence in anyone who has been a fan longer than 5 years.

if you dont like me, im cool with that, I have enough friends, but I try to follow the rules in this forum, while speaking my mind, if you dont like that, I will get over it.
 
BT- dont forget, we dont have alex gibbs, who was a bigger part of shannys success than most people realise, we also do not have the same talent that he had on the broncos, TW is solid and really good at run blocking, everybody else is a back up at best. being a solid zone run blocker doesnt cut it. chester got exposed hard against the vikes by an aging DT who hasnt had a big game like that in 4 seasons.
 
well im not overly concerned, the two asshats whinging about me rarely give us any sort of analysis and stick to posting herd mentality posts.
As one of the asshats, I'll just say that I don't have the time, or desire, to put too much effort into dissecting that which I have zero control over. It's too depressing, and accomplishes nothing. Unless I was in need of acknowledgement, for something. And most stuff, quite frankly, seems obvious to me anyway, so I assume it's obvious to everyone else too. No need to write about the sky being blue.

I go out on a limb quite often
I would submit that commenting, on an internet message board, is not, in any way, going out on a limb. Quitting your day job, to pursue a coaching career, to prove how awesome you are at football, would be.
and I dont exactly leave room for myself to backtrack because I leave no doubt about what I think. oddly enough I am right far more than I am wrong, I know that bothers some people, and im ok with that.
Maybe, maybe not. It's constantly flying a noisy plane, over a funeral procession, pulling a flashing banner that says, "Me so smart" that is boorish.

its even funnier that Ax tries to say im captain obvious, I dont recall too many other people agreeing with me about the defence at the start, or with Mcrapp, or several other things that went against the herd mentality.
That's because you refuse to recall. As it blows up the notion that you are the only person in the western hemisphere who said anything. I personally agree with the asinine move to the 3-4, and McGagg. Said so at the time, quite a bit too. And as recently as in the past few weeks, in another thread, restated the same. I recall others doing the same thing. The numbers of how many are unimportant. What I, and most others who voiced opposition to the move haven't done, is join in on your bi-weekly broadway play, of dragging the dead horse out, and beating it again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again and again, while screaming, "You need me on that wall!!" It's certainly your right to do so. Just as pointing out how monotonous and silly it is, to do so.

I challenge anyone to find when I have been wrong and didnt admit it, as a matter of fact the only time ive been wrong is when I was against RG3s trade, and even now there is a valid argument that we could potentially have been better off having gone in another direction. but I still manned up and said I was wrong.
Not necessary. You are your own best advocate. Self aggrandize away.

Heres the deal. I dont believe in false humility, and when someone argues with me and is wrong I have no problem reminding them about that, especially when its rude and somewhat dense people who get pissy at being reminded that there are in fact people who know more about football than they do. if they find solace in talking smack about me, I probbaly wont go home and cry. Mike and Ax would be two guys who have been on the wrong end of arguments with me, but rather than wait for me to be wrong (which admittedly would be a long wait) they just whine about me when I post.
Different styles, that's all. You're more peacock. I'm more turkey.

I am not happy about losing, I was actually hoping I would be wrong about the Oline, and wrong about the defence, but I clearly am not.
Yeah, you're the only one who ever voiced concern about either. Believe that if it wish. It simply...isn't...true. Feel free to tell us all again before next Tuesday. Lest we forget.

if you dont like me, im cool with that, I have enough friends, but I try to follow the rules in this forum, while speaking my mind, if you dont like that, I will get over it.
Speaking for myself, I don't know you enough to like, or dislike you. You're predictable. That makes your schtick easier to deal with. Most of the time.

Apologies for letting it get to me, even a little bit.

HTTR!
 
I don't think there's anyone on this board that disagrees our line is a hot mess of possum ****, except for Trent.

There's other sites however that would attempt argument til blue in the face.
 
While I am not a fan of our OLine, I'm even less of a fan of Kyle calling all these slow ass developing plays as if our OLine could actually pass block long enough to keep Griffin from getting murdered on a regular basis...

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most of the time you get out what you put in. Trent Williams was an investment pick and he is a capable OT.

we picked up Lichtensteiger as a street free agent. Montgomery was a practice squader after getting drafted by the Eagles in the seventh round. Polumbus was another street free agent who had tryouts with some teams pretty desperate for OL help and passed on him. Chris Chester was not resigned by Baltimore specifically because he was not strong at the point of attack at 6'3 and 315 despite decent size and athleticism.

That is now our offensive line.

And guys we drafted in the third round (LeRibeus), fifth round (Gettis) and sixth rounds (Compton) in recent seasons have not been able to give these guys even the slightest push.

That's where we are at right now. No varnish, no BS, just the facts.
 

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