Random Commanders Thoughts

I’m with you. My enthusiasm plummeted after the Chicago game and didn’t return. I will still watch the games because I’m a glutton for punishment. I’m really looking forward to the team’s best season which is the offseason, which should be fascinating come 2024.
 
I'm in it too see how Howell progresses. He excites me every time he drops back. But EB.... Don't drop him back so often!
 
And that was one of our better drafts in recent years... sigh.

It is a great example though of our inability to coach up talent and/or keep talent.
 
Ron Rivera has been living off the drafts from the 2016-2019 period before he came to Washington.

The team's best players in Allen, Payne, McLaurin, Sweat, etc. all came before Rivera showed up with his coach-centric system.

Look at the top picks since - Emmanuel Forbes, Jamin Davis, Jahan Dotson, Chase Young.

Both Forbes and Davis have been fairly slow to acculturate to the NFL after being taken at #16 and #19 in Round 1.

Jonathan Allen was drafted #17 and Payne was taken at #13 and they came in and started right away and contributed.

What I saw missing in Chase Young was the humility and burning desire to improve that if paired with his natural physical ability would have produced a top tier NFL player.

Instead I have been watching a player that is a lot like LaVar Arrington. An arrogant athlete that has a following and feeling that he is the straw that stirs the drink. Listening to coaches or playing within a scheme? That's for 'regular' NFL players that don't have his talent.

And at the back of every discussion regarding or involving Chase there was always the talk about the BIG CONTRACT he would ultimately sign, even before he proved on the field he was a top player, which he still has yet to do.

Unfortunately, I saw the same kind of 'I am destined for greatness' attitude from Dwayne Haskins in his years with the team, before he had proven he could go out there and consistently perform at a high level. He had his own clothing line and social media shows.

Part of evaluating talent is evaluating the MENTAL makeup and emotional maturity of the players you are considering drafting.

I don't see many players with this type of attitude being drafted by the Steelers, Chiefs, Eagles, or Ravens.

By and large these teams draft 'heads down and working hard' type players that fit into the team culture and emerge as stars based upon what they do on the field.

Even high profile draftees like a Devonta Smith or TJ Watt go to these clubs and fit into the culture. You don't hear them holding court as rookies discussing how a particular game went as if they are a team leader or captain.

Those organizations and locker rooms police themselves.

Ron didn't do that here. He and Del Rio were far too 'hands off' when it came to getting players to play the scheme and perform in a manner the team found acceptable.

But again, that is part of why Ron has not been successful here.

And the sad fact is that Ron the GM has really given Ron the Coach a series of draft choices over the past 3 years that make it almost impossible to keep up with teams like the Eagles and even the Cowboys, both of which have drafted well since 2020.

The Cowboys have drafted CeeDee Lamb, Micah Parsons, and others like Trayvon Diggs that have become pro bowlers and except for Parsons the Commanders were drafting ahead of Dallas the past 3-4 years.

Likewise, the Eagles if you run down their draft lists were getting 4 or 5 immediate contributors in a given draft of 8-9 players, with another couple of players making the team as depth/special teamers.

The Eagles have not been whiffing on picks like Forbes and to a degree Davis.
 
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This says it all, I think.



Bryce Love. Oof!

The two guard picks not proving successful was brutal too. In that pick range you should be at least securing quality depth. Fail!
 
Sam Cosmi was a major miss. At the time Ron and Co. indicated that Cosmi should have been off the board as a late #1 pick and they felt they were getting a bargain in Round 2 for a right tackle.

Then he gets moved to guard and doesn't really impress there either.

It's this type of over-drafting that has bedeviled this team over the past few years.

Winning teams come up with guys in Rounds 4, 5, 6 and 7 that can become starters and top flight performers.

Washington can't even get its picks in Rounds 1, 2 and 3 to emerge at that level.

What makes Kam Curl so rare is the fact he is a 7th round draft pick that Washington picked that actually exceeded expectations and has become a solid starter for the team.

The problem? Kansas City and Baltimore have a number of players that fit that profile. Working on cheap rookie contracts and then signing medium sized bridge deals. The teams are getting 4-6 years of manageable numbers before having to pay guys a big contract.
 



Castro Fields and Cox will be dressed Sunday
 
So i'm not taking this for any more than it is.. a fan on twitter with a brother's cousin who 'know's a guy'

But man if this is accurate, it's crazy.... and the sad thing is, i don't think it's that far fetched.

 
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So i'm not taking this for any more than it is.. a fan on twitter with a brother's cousin who 'know's a guy'

But man if this is accurate, it's crazy.... and the sad thing is, i don't think it's that far fetched.


One of the things I always wondered is if this team’s medical staff could see something in his knee that would be a concern long term. I don’t think he’s as explosive as he was his rookie year. Whether this post is true or not, you also have to wonder about his mental state post injury. Overcoming any injury is difficult mentally as much as it is physically. What I’m glad about is that the team had the foresight to move on before it gets to that point where they are stuck with him or his contract.
 
I’ve heard a couple of ‘smart guys’, like Sheehan, opine recently that the team should have traded Young before the draft.

What GM in their right mind would have given up more than a conditional late round pick (6 or 7) for him based on his injury and the 3 games he played last season?
 
I’ve heard a couple of ‘smart guys’, like Sheehan, opine recently that the team should have traded Young before the draft.

What GM in their right mind would have given up more than a conditional late round pick (6 or 7) for him based on his injury and the 3 games he played last season?


I was all for trading him prior to the draft... but I think you're right, not sure his value was what we ultimately got. The fact that he did show up in flashes to start this season likely was enough to give San Fran the belief that they could get out of him what they ultimately wanted.
 
If they were going to trade him, doing it after showing he was at least able to contribute physically was the smart way to go. As far as Kel's comments, no trade would've happened without serious discussions about his knee and probably more than conversations. But I do think it's clear he isn't the same player as he was as a rookie and Kel may be onto something in terms of that having more to do with Young's psyche than his ability.
 
Random thought of the morning. A lot of us are thinking that the team has punted on the season by trading two marquis players wo star on a tremendously underperforming defense. I took those trades as that kind of signal, too. However, when looking at an NFL team.... losing two players is nothing. How many years does a team survive a year without losing two marquis players to injury? Losing two players is nothing.

I do think this was a move with an eye towards the future, but it really doesn't speak to the present all that much.
 
Agreed. I don't think any of us really expect to see a sudden downturn in the play of the defense, right? If anything, the defense has tended to play better when Young specifically hasn't been in the mix. That may just be coincidence. But perhaps the guys who we've used in Young's absence are just hungrier and likely playing the position as JDR is asking them to. It'll be interesting to see how it goes.
 
I do think this was a move with an eye towards the future, but it really doesn't speak to the present all that much.



I think it's more about this, than it is punting the season.

It's being able to take an objective look at yourself, seeing a 3-5 record, and understanding how we got here. It's then looking at the offseason and seeing that these two guys are free agents and an extension is not on the table, whether that be on their side, or our side determining we can't continue to invest premium contracts into a single defensive unit. We all know the reasons..

Ultimately, I think it means that new ownership group is not punting, but also not prioritizing 1 or 2 wins in 2023 for a greater return beyond.
 

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