Random Commanders Thoughts

[Lanky Livingston]

The Redskins have limited draft picks. Matthieu simply had too many red flags to ignore.

Red flags? We drafted Baccari Rambo, who had more red flags than the pennant section of the Cincinnati Reds team store!

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[Miles Monroe]

Honey badger was suspended and had drug issues..thats the last thing we needed in the locker room

Maybe he should be called Honey BooBoo

 

[Primus Porcus]

Honey badger was suspended and had drug issues..thats the last thing we needed in the locker room

Didn't the LSU coaching staff dismiss him from the team? He wasn't just suspended, they told him to not come back.

 

[tshile]

3-6
Still have a chance.

 

[Lanky Livingston]

Honey badger was suspended and had drug issues..thats the last thing we needed in the locker room

Didn't the LSU coaching staff dismiss him from the team? He wasn't just suspended, they told him to not come back.

Rambo also missed four games due to a drug suspension in 2012, and missed the season opener in 2011 because of a "rules violation" (due to an off-field violation).

Mathieu was dismissed from the team, yes, after finishing as a Heismann finalist.

 

[Lanky Livingston]

1 game suspension 2011
completely dismissed from team in 2012 for multiple drug test failures
completely leaves school and enters rehab in 2012
arrested for drug possession in 2012
ridiculously horrible combine

hindsight is surely 20/20 now. but the kid had a drug problem, an attitude problem, and was picked 69th overall for a reason. We had Williams and Davis coming off their own drug issues and were just starting to get rid of the stench of Haynesworth's piss poor attitude. The last thing we needed was some brash rookie to come in and possibly ruin what we had going for us.

My point is not who has a worse drug record, only that Rambo also has a drug record and we drafted him. BT's point of not drafting Mathieu because of red flags doesn't make sense in that context. Of course drafting Rambo in the 6th round is much less risky than taking Mathieu in the 2nd, but that's where the hindsight comes in - I was thinking 3rd or 4th round for Mathieu, I think the Cardinals surprised a lot of people taking him that early (3rd).

 

[Lanky Livingston]

the point IS he had a worse drug record. he was kicked off his team and not only had to leave the entire school, but go to rehab. and that was before he ever even sniffed at a contract. that is a huge red flag.

Okay well that's not my point. So, its irrelevant. My point is that Rambo also had red flags, and we still drafted him at a position of need. In this particular instance, I would have rather taken the more talented player. Hopefully Amerson will turn out to be awesome and this will all be irrelevant.

 

[Primus Porcus]

Okay well that's not my point. So, its irrelevant. My point is that Rambo also had red flags, and we still drafted him at a position of need. In this particular instance, I would have rather taken the more talented player. Hopefully Amerson will turn out to be awesome and this will all be irrelevant.

If you read about Rambo's suspensions, the one game suspension was handed down by Georgia because he got pulled over, and a girl in his vehicle had a joint in her purse. He was not charged, nor tested positive for anything. The second offense, he allegedly ate some brownies at spring break, and he came forward and admitted it, prior to failing a drug test. It says as many as 5 players were popped on that round of drug tests, because it was very shortly after Spring Break, which is obviously in the offseason. The only reason he even got the 4 gamer, is because Georgia had voluntarily suspended him on the prior offense so it was technically his second offense.


Not saying he's totally clean in the situation, but it sure appears to be a bad line of events that he seems relatively innocent in.

 

[Lanky Livingston]

If you read about Rambo's suspensions, the one game suspension was handed down by Georgia because he got pulled over, and a girl in his vehicle had a joint in her purse. He was not charged, nor tested positive for anything. The second offense, he allegedly ate some brownies at spring break, and he came forward and admitted it, prior to failing a drug test. It says as many as 5 players were popped on that round of drug tests, because it was very shortly after Spring Break, which is obviously in the offseason. The only reason he even got the 4 gamer, is because Georgia had voluntarily suspended him on the prior offense so it was technically his second offense.


Not saying he's totally clean in the situation, but it sure appears to be a bad line of events that he seems relatively innocent in.

Again, I'm not trying to compare who has a worse drug record; Tyrann was dismissed from LSU, he obviously wins that contest. I'm saying Tyrann is the better talent, and if we were going to draft someone with red flags, I'd gamble on talent. Would be really nice to have Mathieu returning punts this year and shoring up a secondary that has looked atrocious at times.

EDIT: and come on, brownies at spring break? Lol.

 

[Primus Porcus]

Again, I'm not trying to compare who has a worse drug record; Tyrann was dismissed from LSU, he obviously wins that contest. I'm saying Tyrann is the better talent, and if we were going to draft someone with red flags, I'd gamble on talent. Would be really nice to have Mathieu returning punts this year and shoring up a secondary that has looked atrocious at times.

EDIT: and come on, brownies at spring break? Lol.

and we've been saying we disagree with you. I don't want Mathieu.. I think he's going to fail on this level. I also think his checkered past is too much to overlook. Maybe i'll be wrong but it's not something I want to risk, and frankly I'm very glad we didn't take the chance. The entire basis of your original comment is dependent on the "level of drug problems" these guys have. You cannot compare Rambo to Mathieu. Rambo was taken 5 rounds later and has a much different pattern of events leading to the 'checkered past.' It's apples to oranges, whether you want to look at it that way or not isn't up to me, we are just posting information... having our opinion called irrelevant doesn't help your cause.

 

[Lanky Livingston]

and we've been saying we disagree with you. I don't want Mathieu.. I think he's going to fail on this level. I also think his checkered past is too much to overlook. Maybe i'll be wrong but it's not something I want to risk, and frankly I'm very glad we didn't take the chance. The entire basis of your original comment is dependent on the "level of drug problems" these guys have. You cannot compare Rambo to Mathieu. Rambo was taken 5 rounds later and has a much different pattern of events leading to the 'checkered past.' It's apples to oranges, whether you want to look at it that way or not isn't up to me, we are just posting information... having our opinion called irrelevant doesn't help your cause.

Okay, you're allowed to disagree with me, congratulations. The "entire basis of my original comment" is that both had red flags on draft day - one has superior talent and game-breaking potential and the other does not (as evidenced by Rambo dropping to the 6th round - who's to say he'd have even been drafted at all? Whereas someone took a chance on Mathieu in the 3rd). I can't believe I have to rehash this one more time, but BT said Mathieu had red flags, that's why we didn't draft him, and I said so did Rambo. Both have "checkered" pasts, both have moved on from them. Fred Davis had zero drug issues at USC, and here he sits one roach away from being suspended a full year. I'll take superior talent over an slightly less checkered past any day of the week.

Sixth round vs. 3rd round...you may want to re-check your math on that one.

 

[Lanky Livingston]

And please top bringing up the combine - the only thing the combine did for Mathieu was boost his draft stock, because he blew it away.

Breaking Down Tyrann Mathieu's NFL Combine Performance | Bleacher Report

 

[Primus Porcus]

Okay, you're allowed to disagree with me, congratulations. The "entire basis of my original comment" is that both had red flags on draft day - one has superior talent and game-breaking potential and the other does not (as evidenced by Rambo dropping to the 6th round - who's to say he'd have even been drafted at all? Whereas someone took a chance on Mathieu in the 3rd). I can't believe I have to rehash this one more time, but BT said Mathieu had red flags, that's why we didn't draft him, and I said so did Rambo. Both have "checkered" pasts, both have moved on from them. Fred Davis had zero drug issues at USC, and here he sits one roach away from being suspended a full year. I'll take superior talent over an slightly less checkered past any day of the week.

Sixth round vs. 3rd round...you may want to re-check your math on that one.

Albert Haynesworth had all the talent in the world, and a checkered past...
Brandon Meriweather has talent, and a checkered past (and people have been calling for his head)

I cant agree with you, not when this team has been as unstable as it has been.

My bad about the draft rounds, i was mixed up.

 

[Bulldog]

The situations are not comparable. Rambo was drafted as a flyer in the sixth round, where you take projects with talent.

Matthieu was a third round pick in a draft the team had limited high picks.

Given what Reed has done and what a bust Davis has been, is anyone sorry about our third round pick?

 

[tshile]

Honestly, comparing draft picks is a losing battle for everyone. The best thing you can do is evaluate the guys you got and see if they panned out for you.

I like Amerson so far.

 

[Bulldog]

It will be interesting to see if Matthieu can stay healthy playing undersized as he is at this level.

 

[Lanky Livingston]

The situations are not comparable. Rambo was drafted as a flyer in the sixth round, where you take projects with talent.

Matthieu was a third round pick in a draft the team had limited high picks.

Given what Reed has done and what a bust Davis has been, is anyone sorry about our third round pick?

I mentioned that there is less risk in the 6th round, and this probably isn't even a discussion if Thomas doesn't go on IR before the season starts. I'm just saying that in hindsight, I would have liked Mathieu over Rambo in that situation, given the two's respective performances. Also, we would have had to take Mathieu with our 2nd round pick, so we'd still have had our 3rd round pick and Reed, so there's no issue there.

It will be interesting to see if Matthieu can stay healthy playing undersized as he is at this level.

Injuries happen to everyone - Thomas isn't undersized and he's done for the year. Mathieu plays much bigger than his size.

 

[Lanky Livingston]

Honestly, comparing draft picks is a losing battle for everyone. The best thing you can do is evaluate the guys you got and see if they panned out for you.

I like Amerson so far.

I do too. I like Rambo also, and think he still has a chance to turn it around. Ironically, I was one of Rambo's biggest supporters in the preseason, when others were telling me how much of an idiot I was because he was obviously a terrible player, yada yada yada. Rambo may still turn it around, he obviously hasn't done it as fast as I thought originally. If the reports of criticisms against him are true, he's likely a bust. Oh well, 6th round pick. However Mathieu is playing lights out in Arizona, that's my only point. It was a Random Redskin Thought, that has now been debated to death, because people just like to disagree with me.

 

[Lanky Livingston]

Albert Haynesworth had all the talent in the world, and a checkered past...
Brandon Meriweather has talent, and a checkered past (and people have been calling for his head)

I cant agree with you, not when this team has been as unstable as it has been.

My bad about the draft rounds, i was mixed up.

Fair enough...but Shanahan has brought more stability, and this team was coming off a division title when Rambo was drafted. Definitely not comparable to the hot messes in 2009 and 2012 (when Fat Albert and Meriweather were signed). Just my opinion, though.

 

[Primus Porcus]

It was a Random Redskin Thought, that has now been debated to death, because people just like to disagree with me.

way to get your dig in there.. instead of it just being a good conversation you continue to victimize yourself. You posted your opinion, we posted ours. Grow up. It's not always about you, nobody came at you on a personal level, nobody said you were dumb, we just posted information we have come across to form a differing opinion.. it's called a conversation.