Random Commanders Thoughts

[Conn]

How long will Dan Quinn be given to show he can deliver a Master Plan for the Lombardi's return to DC? Joe Gibbs showed it in year 2.

Marty was denied the opportunity to show he had the Master Plan - even though his 2001 season was simliar to GIbbs 1981 season.

Harris is famously patient. If Peters doesn’t stumble multiple offseasons in a row and keeps building up the roster, then Quinn will get 4-5 years barring disaster. If we can’t get over the hump before a Daniels’ mega contract kicks in, then Peters likely gets one more swing at a young offensive guy to take over the situation once Quinn’s maxed out what he can and steadied the new franchise culture for multiple years in a row.

Beats me why that’s already where your mind’s at, though. This feels like a question to ponder during year 3 or so. It’s time to let go of the past and not compare everything to something that happened in a very different league with very different roster building rules in the early 80’s.

 

[Boone]

The 'length' of Quinn's contract was not released (to my knowledge) but it's believed to be a typical 5 year deal with a lot of success-based incentives. I think they would certainly give him 4 full years as Peters and company have a lot of faith in him and understand they were handed a full 'blow it up and rebuild' situation. He is wildly overachieving in season 1. Even were the next several years not to pan out as we expect with incremental improvement to a consistent playoff caliber team, he would likely serve his full deal. Harris has shown no hesitancy in changing course with the Sixers, but pro basketball is a different beast than the NFL where a couple of player moves can turn a franchise around in a hurry. I think success in the NFL requires a LOT of things to go the right way and is much more complicated to achieve.

 

[Boone]

How long will Dan Quinn be given to show he can deliver a Master Plan for the Lombardi's return to DC? Joe Gibbs showed it in year 2.

Marty was denied the opportunity to show he had the Master Plan - even though his 2001 season was simliar to GIbbs 1981 season.

Shottenheimer wasn't fired for performance. Shottenheimer was fired because he didn't give a **** what Dan Snyder wanted or said and couldn't be controlled. And he probably told Snyder that right to his face. Snyder then hired Steve Spurrier. Not very good.

 

[Riggo Reincarnated]

Harris is famously patient. If Peters doesn’t stumble multiple offseasons in a row and keeps building up the roster, then Quinn will get 4-5 years barring disaster. If we can’t get over the hump before a Daniels’ mega contract kicks in, then Peters likely gets one more swing at a young offensive guy to take over the situation once Quinn’s maxed out what he can and steadied the new franchise culture for multiple years in a row.

Beats me why that’s already where your mind’s at, though. This feels like a question to ponder during year 3 or so. It’s time to let go of the past and not compare everything to something that happened in a very different league with very different roster building rules in the early 80’s.

Do you think its up to Quinn and Peters to set the culture where players are willing to accept reasonable contracts to help the team win the Lombardi vs the mega contract?

 

[DWinzit]

Shottenheimer wasn't fired for performance. Shottenheimer was fired because he didn't give a **** what Dan Snyder wanted or said and couldn't be controlled. And he probably told Snyder that right to his face. Snyder then hired Steve Spurrier. Not very good.

In fairness to Marty, didn't his contract give him the control he was executing? It was more that Snyder found he needed to keep his incompetent narcissistic paws in Marty's biz.

 

[Boone]

Is there anyone who thinks Shottenheimer was at fault? I doubt it. You don't hire someone like Marty Shottenheimer without knowing what you are getting. 100% Snyder being unable to get out of his own way.

 

[Chris]

I had the honor of a meet & greet with Slotball yesterday in the French Quarter. He is a swell guy and I’m sure has never stolen a freight train.

It’s not often that I have the opportunity to interact in-person with a virtual internet ‘friend’ from this community but when I do, it’s always a positive experience. Have a day today, Steve. Have A Day!

 

[Boone]

Chris and I met at the Seattle playoff game - happened to be staying at the same hotel - both of us having brought our young sons with us to experience that rarest of events, a Redskins playoff appearance.

 

[Chris]

Chris and I met at the Seattle playoff game - happened to be staying at the same hotel - both of us having brought our young sons with us to experience that rarest of events, a Redskins playoff appearance.

That just may have come up in our conversation yesterday. 😉

 

[Boone]

It's one of the things that makes a forum community so much better than drive-by social media sites. Many of my dearest friends I met here.

 

[skinsmarydu]

I've met several ESers, all nice folks. If any of you fine people are ever in ATL, let me know. I love meeting Washington fans!!!

 

[Iraolaball]

Chris and I met at the Seattle playoff game - happened to be staying at the same hotel - both of us having brought our young sons with us to experience that rarest of events, a Redskins playoff appearance.

It DID come up in our nice conversation yesterday, and since Chris was such an amiable fellow, and sung your praises Boone, I look forward to meeting you in the future!

Looking forward to a big day, and hope yours is wonderful Chris.

…and, if any of you are in the Hilton Head area at any time, feel free to give me a shout.

HAIL!

 

[Boone]

We do a site tailgate at least once a year - we will definitely advertise that. Hopefully we can meet some of you newer folks. It is always amazing to put faces to names.

 

[HOF44]

Good article in the post.

“That’s part of the energy I hoped we would create in the building, part of that atmosphere. … I want them to feel different coming in here,” he said. “This is not a facility that is state of the art. But I think the human capital inside it is really strong. And I think that’s a much stronger thing than a s---ty locker room that’s too small.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2024/12/14/dan-quinn-washington-commanders-culture/

 

[Bulldog]

Real shame we didn't have social media back in the day when the Redskins were a 24 hour a day news machine in DC and Gibbs and Co. kept exceeding expectations we all had for them.

I remember going to Minneapolis in 1992 for Super Bowl 26. It was so scattershot, running into people in bars and on the street that were lifelong Skins fans from all over.

I had no idea there were so many from states like Idaho and California.

If we could have captured all of that on social media posts and mobile phones, it would have been an incredible memory to show younger people today.

Here's to having that experience in the not too distant future

 

[Conn]

Do you think its up to Quinn and Peters to set the culture where players are willing to accept reasonable contracts to help the team win the Lombardi vs the mega contract?

I think that reading your posts for a week or two now, I’ve observed that you pine for a reality that doesn’t exist.

 

[Bulldog]

Some players WILL give a team a hometown discount IF they believe the club is on the verge of winning a championship. Others won't.

From experience it seems to me that the players most likely to give a hometown discount or structure the contract and backload it are players that were drafted by the team and have spent their careers in a certain city and have established roots with family there.

The other players likely to do that are ones that are especially close to the head coach, often times having played with him on another team.

But you can look at some guys like Micah Parsons and others like OBJ that may say they are about winning but in the end they are almost 100% about the money only.

Either way, sports is now a business. But having worked for 30 years in business, I know there is a premium people attach to being in a good situation to earn the money.

As Zack Ertz said there were a number of years where no one wanted to come to Washington with their families because it was such a dumpster fire under Snyder.

Remember Washington wanted to OVERPAY guys like Amari Cooper and Russell Wilson in past years and these guys said no way in hell are they coming to Washington.

 

[Riggo Reincarnated]

Some players WILL give a team a hometown discount IF they believe the club is on the verge of winning a championship. Others won't.

From experience it seems to me that the players most likely to give a hometown discount or structure the contract and backload it are players that were drafted by the team and have spent their careers in a certain city and have established roots with family there.

The other players likely to do that are ones that are especially close to the head coach, often times having played with him on another team.

But you can look at some guys like Micah Parsons and others like OBJ that may say they are about winning but in the end they are almost 100% about the money only.

Either way, sports is now a business. But having worked for 30 years in business, I know there is a premium people attach to being in a good situation to earn the money.

As Zack Ertz said there were a number of years where no one wanted to come to Washington with their families because it was such a dumpster fire under Snyder.

Remember Washington wanted to OVERPAY guys like Amari Cooper and Russell Wilson in past years and these guys said no way in hell are they coming to Washington.

Still dealing with the trauma of Haynesworth

 

[burgold]

No matter what happens next, we will have a winning season in Daniels and Quinn's first year.

 

[SkinsFTW]

I doubt it's going to be next year because that schedule will be ridiculous. 10-12 wins this season but might be 8 at best next year.