Random Commanders Thoughts

We haven't played a single regular season down and you're already questioning the new OC?

Kingsbury doesn't make roster transactions. The GM does. By his own admission, Dotson has lost his confidence and his way behind where he should be. That's not the mindset or position you want a supposed starting WR to have or be in.
 
Yeah, I can question a failed head coach who's now a coordinator whose offense hasn't exactly set the league on fire.

Maybe he figures it out here but right now, I'm not buying the preseason hype. I'm hyped out with the team in general.

Show something on the field. Prove you can actually use talent or is the claim that Dotson doesn't have NFL talent?

IMO, Prime Gibbs would've figured out how to get the best out of Dotson. Today's coaches don't bother and either trade or cut them if they don't get instant gratification.

"He doesn't fit my system" is basically an admission that you can't scheme to talent, IMO.
 
I don't mean to steer the discussion away from Sean by any means, but I certainly hope that this is a small sign that everything Snyder did in Washington is looked upon with disdain by ownership and will be fixed with time - this includes the name.
 
DieselPwr44 said:
Yeah, I can question a failed head coach who's now a coordinator whose offense hasn't exactly set the league on fire.

Maybe he figures it out here but right now, I'm not buying the preseason hype. I'm hyped out with the team in general.

Show something on the field. Prove you can actually use talent or is the claim that Dotson doesn't have NFL talent?

IMO, Prime Gibbs would've figured out how to get the best out of Dotson. Today's coaches don't bother and either trade or cut them if they don't get instant gratification.

"He doesn't fit my system" is basically an admission that you can't scheme to talent, IMO.
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You know I respect you and always have. I just feel like some of this is PTSD (Post-Traumatic Snyder Disorder). Gibbs was great but, especially in his 2nd run, made plenty of decisions that could’ve been second guessed.

I don’t see why trading a previous regimes 1st round draft pick, a guy who underperformed in his second year by a lot, and who was publicly questioning his own confidence days before is somehow controversial, or a sign the new OC doesn’t know what he’s doing?

And again - Kingsbury isn’t making roster decisions - Adam Peters is. The ‘failed head coach’ stuff is a little harsh imho. He was fired yes but prior to that had the Cardinals relevant, something few before him and none since have managed. And he did it with an undersized QB with an attitude problem.

Of course you may be right and the move comes back to bite us but with so much positive going on with the new regime, why not give them the benefit of the doubt?
 
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DieselPwr44 said:
I remember a long time ago when we had coaching that could look at players and scheme to their talent. Whether it be a 6'3" wr or a 5'9" wr.

Guess Kliff is a system guy and not a scheme to your talent guy.
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Eh. From what I am hearing, this had little to do with fit or size. This had to do with skill and attitude.


The guys who seem to be taking his spot, Zachheas, is exactly the same size. He’s stood out in camp and Dotson didn’t.

Sometimes the simplest answer is the right answer: Dotson wasn’t playing well enough to demand a roster spot. And all of the other palace intrigue is just white noise. (Occam’s Razor.)

One other thing: I don’t think Adam Peters is making roster decisions based on Kliff’s evaluations alone. It would be Peter’s decision, and he’s smart enough and good enough at watching film to draw his own conclusions as to how players are doing in practice.

Something to keep in mind, Peters, not Quinn, Kliff or even Harris, is making the personnel decisions.

it’s a different world than what we lived in.
 
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I will go ahead and say what everyone, including the local media, is dancing around. The reason Jahan Dotson is no longer on this team is because though he is physically talented he is also soft.

He has never shown the ability to win at the line of scrimmage against press coverage or shown the tenacity to improve in that area. He has never shown the desire to block downfield in either the run or the pass game. These are not things that require special talents or abilities. These are things that require intent, discipline, and drive. For whatever reason, those traits were missing in him as a football player.

Jahan Dotson is gone from Washington because of Jahan Dotson. Not Adam Peters, not Dan Quinn, not Kliff Kingsbury etal being unwilling to work with him or looking for instant gratification. He just clearly didn’t have the mental make-up that the current staff values and demands in players that they are building with. And for that reason, I am fully onboard.

Joe Gibbs, Bill Belichick, Vince Lombardi, and Nick Saban wouldn’t have been a fan of those traits either.
 
DieselPwr44 said:
"He doesn't fit my system" is basically an admission that you can't scheme to talent, IMO.
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One thing: I haven’t heard one quote which has said this. Though I fully admit I might have missed it, I’ve been massively busy with work and kids and don’t consume near the amount of coverage as I once did.

One of the sources I listen to pretty religiously though is Keim. And he didn’t say anything about a scheme fit. He said it was more attitude, and the fact he was being out-played and out-hustled and out-worked by Zachheas, Brown and others.

The fact Zachheas is also 5-8 indicates it’s not a physical size thing.

Chris i don’t know if I’d go so far as to say he’s soft. Maybe. Maybe not.

But I think the bottom line is he needed to stand out, win routes in practice, and play well. And he didn’t. And that’s all she wrote.

I’m glad Peters and co realized that early instead of being wedded to a first round pick and keeping him on the roster and trying to fix him at the expense of players who more deserve the spot. They found a way out of it, and that’s good.

Ron would have kept him and lived with bad production.

Dan/Vinny would have extended him.

We’re better off now than we have been in decades.
 
I guess where I come from on this is that a team, that most on here agree is bereft of talent on offense, should want to cultivate what little home grown talent they do have on the team. Especially when that player is still on his rookie deal.

Now I know I didn't just imagine Dotson making plays here in the past, right? And most Redskins Fans readily tell you that this team didn't have the best coaching last year. I mean hell, Bieniemy couldn't even latch on to an NFL team after he left here. He had to go back to college.

Maybe you guys are right and the dude is cooked. I just hate to see them give up on young talent too soon.
 
I don't know if what I'm about to type is reasonable, but it's less an answer than a question or an idea anyway.

This Dotson discussion makes me wonder about the importance of teambuilding over talent. How important are the messages that we send? I mean on the one hand, Dotson is a former first round pick who really flashed for a while in his rookie year. On the other, he had a terrible sophomore year and didn't seem to recover his mojo during preseason/training camp. So, what message do you want to send to the team. One possible message is "We will work with you and get everything out of you" while another is "It doesn't matter where you were drafted. What matters is effort, production, and doing all the little things right."

Cutting a first rounder who at one time performed with a year left on their rookie deal has got to send shock waves through a team that people once described as pampered and lazy. Maybe getting their attention is more important than talent. I haven't seen enough of training camp to know if Dotson was giving it his all and if he was doing extra reps with the coaches or coming in early to study tape or working endlessly with the jugs machine. I don't know how focused, driven, and hungry he was. I don't know what the coaches saw other than when asked to block on a screen his effort was half-hearted. On the other hand, I never heard him complain or act like a primadonna and I was rooting for him hard to prove last season a sophomore slump. So what do I know?

I'm just rambling and wondering about whether this lights a fire under a team and if it does whether that has more value than resuscitating a good player.
 
I don't think it sent shockwaves. Half our roster are new guys. The guys who would be shocked have already been sent packing by and large. I don't even think the move was made with a 'message' intended. I think the new regime operates on a fairly direct basis. Who are the guys we can add to this roster who can do what we want to do at a high level and help us win. I really think it's that simple. It's hard to know what specifically it was about Dotson that made them conclude he wasn't key to the team's long-term success. Where he was drafted doesn't seem to matter. That's a huge organizational change, and I love that part of it.
 
DieselPwr44 said:
Maybe you guys are right and the dude is cooked. I just hate to see them give up on young talent too soon.
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When Zaccheus is beating you out for your job, it calls into question WHY that is happening and why the first round pick is not able to look better than a journeyman WR.

He IS going to have some better numbers in Philly because he’s going to be option 5 or 6, and given the number of other weapons, he should be the beneficiary, at least to some extent.

My guess, however, is it will be short lived.
 
You guys are sleeping on Zaccheus. Yes - I'm a UVa guy, but in addition to being a homer for their players, I am very familiar with him. Zaccheus was an UDFA for one reason and one reason only - and that's because he played for a marginal UVa football program. He was impressive at Virginia, and he's shown he can produce at the NFL level. He's had to fight every step of the way to make rosters and get a chance at this level. Dotson was drafted out of Penn State, and clearly Rivera and company overestimated his pedigree.

Give me a talented overachiever any day of the week. You all will see this season, he is a legit receiver.
 
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Took me a second to realize it wasn't NorthWest Airlines. It's been a while since I've lived up in that area, but are they pretty big for up there?
 
Stadium naming rights are only to the benefit of the owners and good for them. I couldn’t care less about the name of that stadium as long as it’s not something embarrassing like Porta-Potty Stadium.
 
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Stadium naming rights are only to the benefit of the owners and good for them. I couldn’t care less about the name of that stadium as long as it’s not something embarrassing like Porta-Potty Stadium.
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Porta potties keep the waste in at least 😂
 
👍🏻 Not saying it didn’t used to be wholly appropriate.
 
If we're Northwest Federal Savings Union. I want to nickname the place, The Vault.


Not only is it cool, but it lends itself to Yiddish sarcasm. "Who's vault is it. It's your vault, you shmendrick."
 
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