POLL: Trade Down at Pick 29?

[Hail Raiser]

Feels like they won't trade down unless they can guarantee a "Commander Tag" player is there. It felt like a sense of pride as to how many CT players they drafted last year, so I'm guessing that will have a big impact on what they do. At least with AP at the helm now, it feels like the chances of a player like Forbes having one of those tags is hopefully lower.

There's two WRs, 4 CBs, an OT and 3 DE/PR that might be there that I wou;dn't trade away from.

Like sure a team like Cleveland who is just awful might wanna come up to us at 29 for qb to ruin, but I'd probably just take the player.

I don't like th idea of a big trade back for lots if late rounders, especially in a draft with such limited talent

We've talked about how bad this draft us for a few years..

 

[The Brotherhood]

did we win taking Sinnott and Sain over Coop?

Sinnott qas like my main guy, but he sucked and looks like a bust(shocking to me and I am not throwing that on him yet)

Sainrilstil has been way better than expected. Dudes awesome and saved our season. He's as responsible for our great year as Daniels IMO, but he's still not better than Coop, so that trade back hasn't aged well.

Coop would've been the ace for sure. Of the two we brought in, have loved Sainristil's work especially. Some guys just look like a natural, straight off the bat.

With Sinnott I don't want to say bust just yet either but I saw on the Commanders podcast that Logan Paulsen suspects it's the mental battle/maturity more than anything. Hopefully he hasn't reached his ceiling already & can take the needed step. Not For Long is a true thing

 

[burgold]

Sainristil had a much easier time getting on the field because he was competing against Forbes and St. Juste. More, when he got on the field he made the best of his situation. He did have some rookie moments early on, but there was enough good that the coaches not only trusted him, but elevated him. Sinnott had a harder road to get on the field. Ertz had a renaisance and Bates (I hope this wasn't a contract year thing) proved our best blocker and stopped dropping the ball. Compounding that, we were winning which meant that the coaches felt less inclined to give rookies field time just to grow (It's the opposite of what the Wizards chose to do.) If Daniels performed like a rookie QB and we were headed towards a six win season I'm sure Sinnott and Luke would have got more playing time. However, they didn't have time to develop these guys on the field and they apparently couldn't beat out the guys ahead of them. From my perspective, that speaks much worse about Luke because McCaffrey couldn't beat out guys like Oz and Crowder once Noah got hurt.

That said, from the analysis I read on BGO, Ben Sinnott didn't shine when he got his opportunities so Ben's lack of playing time is not just because he had two guys playing above and beyond, but because Ben just wasn't good enough. Maybe after an offseason, he corrects that. The preseason will be telling. Hopefully, he learned a lot by watching Ertz.

As for Sainristil vs. Dejean, it's not as clear cut as one might think. Dejean's D Line produced so much more pressure than ours and Cooper was strictly a nickle. By the end (midseason?) Mike was either our number one or number two corner, often playing our opponents best guy. On top of that, Sainristil had more picks than Cooper Dejean. As for tackles, Dejean had 51 to Mike's 93 and Sainrisitl had more than double the number of assists, so who's to say?

I suspect if we put Sainristil on the Eagles, he'd have been better than Cooper Dejean.

 

[Boone]

Good post burgold. I think the other thing is, we over-simplify things. Drafting players isn't just about their measureables, there is an element of 'fit' involved as well. There are 'fit' considerations in terms of character, scheme, traits, coaching, etc... There's no guarantee a Cooper thrives in DC, or that Sainristil thrives elsewhere.

I do agree that it's too soon to know whether the 2024 trade down with the Eagles (which netted us Sainristil, Sinnott, andl also Dominique Hampton) was the right call.

 

[Miles Monroe]

I've always viewed the draft as a crap shoot unless your pick is in the top 10, and even then we've see lots of failed picks. I like having more capital to play with when gamboling, so I say trade back for more picks.

 

[HTTR]

It depends is of course the correct answer. Stay flexible. But if I have to pick, my lean would be to stay put and get the best player possible. I prefer quality over quantity. And the market for trading down will not be good—too many teams around us trying to do the same thing and not enough teams motivated to move up.

 

[HTTR]

I've always viewed the draft as a crap shoot unless your pick is in the top 10, and even then we've see lots of failed picks. I like having more capital to play with when gamboling, so I say trade back for more picks.

I would argue more picks does not equal more capital. Higher picks have more value than lower ones, so assuming a fair trade wouldn’t we still have the same amount of “capital”?

 

[Hail Raiser]

AP gets a ton of rope, but he's only had one draft as GM and outside of Daniels (other choice was Maye who looks like a hit too), what has he really done to get so much leniency? Sain is great, but Coleman had to be replaced, Sinnott hasn't hit, Newton is just okay, LMC looks like a nepotism loss, Hampton nothing. Going into the draft lacking picks and a roster full of OYDs and we gave Kinlaw a big contract, despite him being terrible (more nepotism).

I trust AP more than anyone we've had in 30 years, but he dodges too much criticism for a guy that hasn't done anything.

 

[Boone]

Criticizing him would be premature, don't you think?

 

[burgold]

AP gets a ton of rope, but he's only had one draft as GM and outside of Daniels (other choice was Maye who looks like a hit too), what has he really done to get so much leniency? Sain is great, but Coleman had to be replaced, Sinnott hasn't hit, Newton is just okay, LMC looks like a nepotism loss, Hampton nothing. Going into the draft lacking picks and a roster full of OYDs and we gave Kinlaw a big contract, despite him being terrible (more nepotism).

I trust AP more than anyone we've had in 30 years, but he dodges too much criticism for a guy that hasn't done anything.

In one year, AP replaced 65% of the roster, hired a head coach, found us (we hope) the franchise QB we haven't had since Sonny Jurgenson, and held a draft. In that year, his retooling led the team from three wins to twelve.

Nothing is a bit absurd.

 

[SkinsOrlando]

If we get offered a 2 that's 10 or less picks back and a 5th, I'd trade however just off the general question of "if offered" I'd go no I think we might see some decent talent slip this year in Round 1.

 

[HTTR]

I haven’t lost any trust in AP. Been waiting so long to have a legitimate GM making picks for us that it’s going to take a lot before I start to lose faith. It’s easy to write off drafting Jayden as a no-brainer, but let’s not forget, at least half of the fans and pundits would have taken Drake Maye instead. And Maye may be good, but he’s no Jadyden. Yes, the jury is still out on his draft last year, but that goes both ways. It could still turn out to be an excellent draft. You have to give it more than one year before judging. Either way, he definitely nailed the coaching hires. Most posters would have been happy with eight or nine wins, so net of it all you have to say AP has done a great job so far overall.

 

[Hail Raiser]

In one year, AP replaced 65% of the roster, hired a head coach, found us (we hope) the franchise QB we haven't had since Sonny Jurgenson, and held a draft. In that year, his retooling led the team from three wins to twelve.

Nothing is a bit absurd.

I'm not putting him down at all, I'm just not ready to give the unconditional love yet.

Last year was incredibly impressive. Agreed. This year the OYD roster is lesser known players, we have less picks for the draft.

It just still feels prove it to me and I don't know if our team is better yet.

We were getting a franchise QB either way. That was a gimme. Maye or Daniels was a hit and there was no Chase Young to make us pass over a Herbert. I definitely think we're in the best shape we've been in since the team sold last time. I just don't worship at the AP alter yet.

 

[NickyJ]

AP got us to the doorstep of the Super Bowl. I think it's a bit much to say that he should have done more with so little.

For GMs, I am in the camp of everyone being given the benefit of the doubt until they prove that they don't deserve it. AP wasn't fired from his last team. He got excellent results last season. I don't get why anyone feels he should be doubted when he's not done anything to deserve doubt. He's not perfect, but that puts him the same territory of every other GM that isn't in Philadelphia.

 

[SmiffySkins]

I think it will depend what’s on offer. I think any QB needy team looking to move back into the first will have more than one willing partner who will pick before us in the draft. Vikings being the most obvious. If there’s a good deal to be had I trust AP to make it but I think the most likely scenario is that we pick at 29.

 

[burgold]

We were getting a franchise QB either way. That was a gimme.

The last times we tried for a franchise QB we got Heath Shuler, Jason Campbell, and RGIII. We've experienced how hard it is to get a franchise QB. I don't take that for granted at all even if you think Maye was also a hit.

Heck, Snyder (or another GM) may have traded three first rounders to trade up to number one for the right to draft the local guy. He might have thought JJ was the sexier pick because of the national championship. It's even possible that a GM might have looked at the first eight games with Sam Howell and thought, we can build with this and traded down to collect a trove of picks.

Making the right choice or even making the obvious choice doesn't always happen. A lot of us were scared to death of Daniels because we saw RGIII-like thinness in him. I could easily see teams shying away from him for that reason.

 

[Miles Monroe]

I would argue more picks does not equal more capital. Higher picks have more value than lower ones, so assuming a fair trade wouldn’t we still have the same amount of “capital”?

Okay, so lets not use the word capital, and just call them picks. Picking at 29 doesn't guarantee getting a better player then at say pick 39. I'd rather have an early, and mid second rounders rather than a late first.... you're still looking at the same class of player for the most part. I don't know, but it seems to me that 2 picks gives you a better chance of getting a player that sticks around... 50% better in my eyes.

 

[Hail Raiser]

The last times we tried for a franchise QB we got Heath Shuler, Jason Campbell, and RGIII. We've experienced how hard it is to get a franchise QB. I don't take that for granted at all even if you think Maye was also a hit.

Heck, Snyder (or another GM) may have traded three first rounders to trade up to number one for the right to draft the local guy. He might have thought JJ was the sexier pick because of the national championship. It's even possible that a GM might have looked at the first eight games with Sam Howell and thought, we can build with this and traded down to collect a trove of picks.

Making the right choice or even making the obvious choice doesn't always happen. A lot of us were scared to death of Daniels because we saw RGIII-like thinness in him. I could easily see teams shying away from him for that reason.

still am

 

[burgold]

Actually... me too.

 

[Bulldog]

I think it really depends on the deal.

This draft is short of the number of dynamic playmakers we had last year, but it’s deep group.

This year would be a good year to have a bevy of picks in Rounds 2 and 3.

If we can move down from 29 to say 40 and then get another #2 pick late or two #3s plus I would consider taking it.

There always seems to be one team that is desperate to move up as the first round is coming down to final 7 or 8 picks.