Poll: The Future of Sam Howell

What's your Howell plan?

  • Draft QB, trade Sam

    Votes: 2 9.1%
  • Draft QB to compete with Sam

    Votes: 5 22.7%
  • Stick with Sam, he's shown enough

    Votes: 14 63.6%
  • Sign the best QB in FA

    Votes: 1 4.5%

  • Total voters
    22
I think what it is very easy to forget (and this is just as true for the media ‘experts’ as it is for fans) that football is a team sport. There is almost no position on the roster that cannot positively or negatively effect your QB’s success. Look at Mahomes performance this season with the loss of a few key players. He’s going to finish with 1000 fewer passing yards, a significantly lower TD % and higher INT %. And that’s just from a few offensive roster changes.
 
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I kinda wish I knew who our future GM and coach was. I know they wouldn't reveal their plans or their private assessments on Howell, but I'd love to know what true NFL minds who really dig into the tape think. I'm sure it's somewhat of a mixed picture, but are we seeing too much good, are we being too hard on him, when I look at the o-line and lack of running game am I making too many excuses. Has he overperformed to the degree I think he may have after his first 16 games and what do they project his ceiling to be?
 
I think what it is very easy to forget (and this is just as true for the media ‘experts’ as it is for fans) that football is a team sport. There is almost no position on the roster that cannot positively or negatively effect your QB’s success. Look at Mahomes performance this season with the loss of a few key players. He’s going to finish with 1000 fewer passing yards, a significantly lower TD % and higher INT %. And that’s just from a few offensive roster changes.


and a change at OC


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I kinda wish I knew who our future GM and coach was. I know they wouldn't reveal their plans or their private assessments on Howell, but I'd love to know what true NFL minds who really dig into the tape think. I'm sure it's somewhat of a mixed picture, but are we seeing too much good, are we being too hard on him, when I look at the o-line and lack of running game am I making too many excuses. Has he overperformed to the degree I think he may have after his first 16 games and what do they project his ceiling to be?



IMHO i think the NFL minds view players completely different than the NFL fanbases do.

They don't have the "Madden Effect' as I like to call it, where a guy is just rated at a 'value' and they are who they are. They're likely almost NEVER looking at a player as a finished product, especially players who have less than a full season starting. I'm speculating here, but I believe the physical tools are much less important to them, than they are to fans. It's not about "does he have 'elite' arm talent" and more about "does he have 'enough' arm talent". Not "can this guy take over a game" and more about "can this guy execute the offense." Fans see guys like Mahomes, and set that benchmark in their mind. The problem is there's only 1 of that guy. It's not about "where does this guy rank in terms of starting QBs" and more about "is this guy good enough that we can win with him." Do fans really think that NFL coaches look at the PFF QB Rankings, and determine who should be playing based on that? In all reality, they likely 'know' what needs to be corrected, and their goal is to be working with that player to correct the mistakes. They're watching film, going over the good, and the bad, and helping that player to develop.

If i was to guess, a true NFL scouting assessment of Howell thus far would go like this:

He's 100% got the arm to make every throw, while showing the ability to utilize touch. He's a 'plus' athlete that has the ability to climb and break the pocket, to either run or extend plays

He's also got a tendency to force things. He's got enough confidence, and athletic arrogance, in his ability to take chances, but enough ability to execute those plays at times, while it gets him into trouble at other times. (see the INT of Terry's hands this past weekend).

He's shown a tendency of late to rush the play, whether that means he's coming off his progression too quickly, or he's missing post snap reads that create mismatches. He's shown a greater ability to play off script, than on script, with a part of that on script issue possibly being from issues around him (O-line).

I think true NFL talent evaluators would look at the O-line, and the fact that Sam has been getting his head bashed in, and take that into complete consideration regarding his decision making. NFL coaches can likely look at his film and tell you pretty accurately what he was thinking, whether hit was just a bad decision, or he was pressing, or whatever.
 
I certainly hope that they don’t consider PFF ratings. Logan Paulson has referenced several times that the OL is ranked at 15-16 according to their analytics. I doubt that any sharp NFL evaluators with eyes would agree, but what the hell do I know?
 
I certainly hope that they don’t consider PFF ratings. Logan Paulson has referenced several times that the OL is ranked at 15-16 according to their analytics. I doubt that any sharp NFL evaluators with eyes would agree, but what the hell do I know?


and that's my point. Fans use those rankings to determine who they believe is 'capable' as a player. The analysis is completely different, especially since we're not consistently watching practice and installs.
 
I certainly hope that they don’t consider PFF ratings. Logan Paulson has referenced several times that the OL is ranked at 15-16 according to their analytics. I doubt that any sharp NFL evaluators with eyes would agree, but what the hell do I know?
PFF is so bad at rating Offensive Lines. There's no way we have fielded an average line. We can't run or pass block. Give up immediate pressure on more than half our plays.
 
I don't know. The team may have broken him.

Having him run this offense, with that offensive line ... brutal. Anyone could see this coming weeks ago.

I guess I'd stick with him, but only if there is a new OC and they build a line and they think about running the ball once in awhile, which I am assuming will happen. Otherwise, it likely doesn't matter.

I don't believe you can break a QB in one game.

It takes at least 2.
 
At least the team has only San Fran and Dallas to ‘get right’ against.
 
My feeling is Sam hit the rookie wall and broke.

I do think/hope that with an offseason and better coaching/mentoring or at least a better line and a tight end who doesn't prefer volleyball to catching footballs, he can become who we thought he was becoming for the first 2/3s of the season.
 
The NFL is a crazy place. I'm pretty sure if we re-did this poll today, the results would be dramatically different. Intellectually, I know that reading too much into any QBs first full season is a risky proposition. It that's the case, then judging a young QBs future potential based on just a handful of bad performances is absolutely fraught with danger. On the other hand, you cannot ignore what you have seen the past several weeks.

I don't envy the next GM. It's going to be next to impossible to know what to do with that 1st pick, but no matter how much one likes Howell and sees his potential, his play down the stretch coupled with the likelihood we will be picking very high in this draft, you have to believe drafting a QB is very much in play now.

That 'ideal scenario' we've imagined, where a new regime believes it can 'grow and develop' Sam into a legit NFL starter, and uses this draft to build around him, is only ideal if we are right about Howell.

How a kid who was so confident, cool, and resilient early on gets to where we are seeing him now over the course of a handful of games is mystifying. I think it's damning evidence that this coaching staff is worthless. What are they saying to Howell? What are they doing to get him back on track? You will never convince me that a good coaching staff wouldn't be able to settle him and design a plan and approach that actually builds his confidence and sets him up for success vs. totally destroying what was a pretty good 1st season.

I'm really at a loss. If you were purposely attempting to destroy the team you couldn't be doing a better job.
 
I don't remember which poster sited all those first year stats of great QBs. At the time, Howell's numbers looked as good or better than most of them. That's probably a good thing to keep in mind. After all, if we cast off bad QBs after their first season, the HOF would lose half its number.
 
I posted it. Yeah, it's important not to overreact to a few games in what could be a long career. But overreaction is SOP in the NFL. I think Howell's poor play down the stretch is going to radically alter the next regime's mindset heading into 2024. Maybe it should, maybe it shouldn't, but I think it will.

Bottom line is that Howell himself will have to figure it out. Ultimately, that's life. Take your medicine and come back more determined and better. Or succumb to the pressure ala Carson Wentz and become an NFL footnote. If you can't redouble your efforts and learn from it, you don't deserve to be an NFL starter. We'll see what the young man does. But I think the odds he'll be facing serious competition for the starting role are monumentally higher today than they were a month ago.

Thanks a lot Bin Laden Rivera and Bienemy.
 
Reminds me of the Jason Campbell debates. Is Sam good? Absolutely. Are the Skins in a position to draft a better QB in the draft? Absolutely. So do it. Every team that needs a QB is in unique position in the QB heavy draft. To not do it based on the assumption that we MIGHT have a bona fide starter under a new coach, with a new line, in a couple of years, simply doesn't cut it in today's NFL. 2 years is a rebuild. That's it, look it up. Draft a QB. Keep Howell, trade him, whatever.
 
Yep.

I've been OL or die when it comes to the draft, but I have to admit if we stick at the third pick, I'd be open to the idea of QB. Part of that is probably Howell's struggles, but it's also about the dream of lucking or failing into a generational talent.

That said, I'm not off the Howell bandwagon. I see no reason he can't grow into our Hurts, Dak, or Russel Wilson.
 
Although technically possible, they won't trade Howell. They may draft a presumed starter, but while Howell has raised a lot of questions this past month, if there's even the slightest chance he can elevate himself to true starter level in the next seasons, you hold onto him. So regardless of what the team does in the draft, we've got him on this roster and he'll have a chance to prove his doubters wrong (or right).
 
He sure looked broke yesterday, especially when sitting with his helmet on and the blank eyes after being pulled. I found it painful to watch.

Ultimately he will be fine though and have a long career because he has attributes that can’t be taught. Whether or not that is in Washington long-term will be up for much debate.
 
I lost some respect for Bienemy in last week's presser. Al Galdi pointed out that it was the most 'honest' responses he'd heard from EB and not his usual coachspeak. What I heard was a lot of discussion regarding Howell 'pressing', that he wasn't 'seeing' what he needed to see, and that he needed to 'take a deep breath'. What I didn't hear was Bienemy's mindset regarding having Howell drop back to pass a record number of times, the lack of help he's getting from his supporting cast, or how setting a franchise sack record has helped Howell out in 2023. From my vantage point, Bienemy hasn't done a whole hell of a lot to make Howell's transition more manageable.
 
I lost some respect for Bienemy in last week's presser. Al Galdi pointed out that it was the most 'honest' responses he'd heard from EB and not his usual coachspeak. What I heard was a lot of discussion regarding Howell 'pressing', that he wasn't 'seeing' what he needed to see, and that he needed to 'take a deep breath'. What I didn't hear was Bienemy's mindset regarding having Howell drop back to pass a record number of times, the lack of help he's getting from his supporting cast, or how setting a franchise sack record has helped Howell out in 2023. From my vantage point, Bienemy hasn't done a whole hell of a lot to make Howell's transition more manageable.
One crazy stat is how many more runs Bienemy called after Brisset came off the bench despite being 27 points down.
 
Almost makes me think Bienemy believes Howell has fairy dust and so doesn't have to call a run game with him. He calls plays for him like he's Maholmes and has everything Maholmes has going for him.
 

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