Oh what a difference a decent safety makes...

[Jugband McGillicuddy]

Never see the field...can't hear you...no speed. Cute.

Ryman, you fancy yourself as a fan who sees things that we all don't, but it's when you say things like Doughty has no speed, that you REALLY damage whatever credibility you assign to yourself.

If you were the football tactician, film analyst, or living room coach you think you are, you would have seen Reed MANY times in his career running step for step with the fastest receivers in the NFL (to include Terrell Owens, and quite a few others) and the receivers making a better play on the ball. THAT is Reed's weakness. His ball skills suck. His speed, athleticism, toughness, and tackling are fine.

And I will maintain to my DYING day that the INCORRECT criticisms of his speed are race based. "He's white, so he's slow. "He's black, so he's a Mike Vick." It happens all the time, and I'm sick of ALL of it.

But I'm especially tired of it when someone who's condescending tone rings loud and clear on a weekly basis because he saw this block or that, this scheme or another, that somehow EVERYONE else on the board missed, makes an ignorant comment like that. And frankly, my opinion of said posts, which was not high to start with, takes a serious hit when something so EASILY and VERIFIABLY incorrect is said by such a poster.

Oh. And it sucks that we lost Meriweather.

 

[Miles Monroe]

This really does suck.

It's OK though, we'll still kick the piss out of Dallas come Thursday.

 

[Rymanofthenorth]

I have heard some stupid things during my time as a redskins fan, but your post may actually be the dumbest.

I don't know which Reed Doughty YOU have been watching but clearly it is not the one who plays for the redskins. I would be amazed if he ran a better than 4.9 40. Reed is not very aware in coverage, he has decent tackling ability he is actually pretty tough and has heart. But You obviously have no idea what you are talking about when you say something like "you would have seen Reed MANY times in his career running step for step with the fastest receivers in the NFL (to include Terrell Owens, and quite a few others)" I HAVE NEVER SEEN REED DOUGHTY RUNNING WITH THE FASTEST RECEIVERS IN THE NFL AND TERRELL OWENS WAS NEVER A SPEED RECEIVER.

If you are going to challenge something I say, then you had damn well better get it right because what you just did, was announce to everyone that you are so desperate to disagree with me that you will take a stupid position in order to do so. Reed Being white has nothing to do with his being slow and crappy in coverage, his being slow and crappy in coverage has everything to do with his being slow and crappy in coverage.

so back to the drawing board to find something else to disagree with me about.

and yes it does suck to lose merriweather.

 

[Jugband McGillicuddy]

Then you're not watching. When he's got one-on-one coverage, he gets beat by a finger tip, not 10 yards. That's just fact. And yes, I will happily rather side with Mike Shanahan, Bruce Allen, and Sean Taylor's opinions of him rather than yours. Thanks.

 

[Rymanofthenorth]

Reed Doughty combine 40 times 4.7, 4.6 ,4.65 all hand times which are pretty much guaranteed to be faster than laser. this is nowhere near as fast as the fastest NFL receivers who run the 40 in as little as 4.3 and even Owens who has never been a speed guy runs a consistent 4.55- 4.6 forty.



Vert- 37 inches which is actually quite impressive

shuttle- 4.17 which is not great but not terrible

3 cone 6.66 which is not great

so would you care to take back your comment about him running stride for stride with the NFLs fastest receivers?

 

[Jugband McGillicuddy]

Reed Doughty combine 40 times 4.7, 4.6 ,4.65 all hand times which are pretty much guaranteed to be faster than laser. this is nowhere near as fast as the fastest NFL receivers who run the 40 in as little as 4.3 and even Owens who has never been a speed guy runs a consistent 4.55- 4.6 forty.



Vert- 37 inches which is actually quite impressive

shuttle- 4.17 which is not great but not terrible

3 cone 6.66 which is not great

so would you care to take back your comment about him running stride for stride with the NFLs fastest receivers?

No.

Would you care to step down off your high horse because you clearly have NO idea that combine 40s mean very little when we're talking about football speed?

BY YOUR OWN STANDARDS, Reed Doughty is faster than JERRY FRIGGING RICE!!!! Rice ran a 4.71 at the combine. But as ANY football person knows, FOOTBALL SPEED is what matters. Not a straight line, unmolested sprint.

Thank you for further confirming my evaluation of your football knowledge. And I REALLY appreciate you saying Doughty is faster than Rice. Hell, even I wouldn't have said that.

 

[Rymanofthenorth]

You clearly have no clue when you are talking about football. Redd doughty is slow, Jerry Rice ran a 4.6 consistently with the 9ers btw.

Football speed of course trumps track speed, Reed Doughty has never displayed either, and to sit here and argue with me that he is fast is either you being stupid or just looking for an argument.

if you can find person who takes your side on this who has even a modicum of football knowledge and is a redskins fan I will be surprised indeed. in fact find me ONE article that takes about Reeds speed being anything but a hindrance and I will say you win the argument. and no not an article about his college days.

 

[Jugband McGillicuddy]

You clearly have no clue when you are talking about football. Redd doughty is slow, Jerry Rice ran a 4.6 consistently with the 9ers btw.

Right. I have no clue about football. None. But your argument is that the combine is the ultimate judge of on-field performance. Do you even read what you type???

Football speed of course trumps track speed, Reed Doughty has never displayed either, and to sit here and argue with me that he is fast is either you being stupid or just looking for an argument.

Your amateur-psychiatrist evaluations are as bad as your evaluations of football players.

if you can find person who takes your side on this who has even a modicum of football knowledge and is a redskins fan I will be surprised indeed. in fact find me ONE article that takes about Reeds speed being anything but a hindrance and I will say you win the argument. and no not an article about his college days.

It's not a playground argument, Ryman. I'm secure in the friends I have, and comfortable enough with them to maintain those friendships ESPECIALLY when they disagree with me.

And I don't need to go hunt for some bull**** article to satisfy you. I watch the games, and watch Reed. Try it sometime.

 

[Primus Porcus]

You clearly have no clue when you are talking about football. Redd doughty is slow, Jerry Rice ran a 4.6 consistently with the 9ers btw.

Football speed of course trumps track speed, Reed Doughty has never displayed either, and to sit here and argue with me that he is fast is either you being stupid or just looking for an argument.

if you can find person who takes your side on this who has even a modicum of football knowledge and is a redskins fan I will be surprised indeed. in fact find me ONE article that takes about Reeds speed being anything but a hindrance and I will say you win the argument. and no not an article about his college days.

Actually I agree with Jug on the fact that Reed Doughty is a very valuable aspect of this team, and that he's been completely underrated in his career. I'll even go as far to say that if Doughty is in the game against the Giants, we don't give up that play to Cruz.

Doughty is very technically sound. He isn't going to be the strongest player, and he's been trucked in the past... but what safety hasn't? What he brings to the table is the fact that more often then not, he's going to be in position. He's been beat, absolutely, but again, what safety hasn't? Are you telling me that Laron Landry is a HORRIBLE saftey and un-athletic player because D. Jackson roasted him on Monday night a couple years ago? No.


The quite presence Doughty has is in run support. He's very smart along the line, and inside the box. He's going to be in position to either make a play, or force the back in a different direction, giving the rest of the team a chance to converge, which is what his job is.


He's not a ball hawker, and a safety should never be in a 1 on 1 situation with ANY WR, EVER. If that happens, it translates to a missed assignment somewhere. He may have moments covering TE, RB or FBs but if ANYONE puts their safety 1 on 1 with a WR they're asking for trouble.


And you're argument of speed has no relevance. 4.3 speed is ELITE. It's not the norm.. Sean Taylor logged a 4.51 where Doughty logged a 4.65. You're talking about .14 seconds. Take a stop watch, and hit the start stop button as fast as you can... and that's the difference you have between the two.

 

[Rymanofthenorth]

sorry silentthreat but you arent paying attention to the argument, I dont even dislike doughty, but his lack of speed is what hinders him. look at whay Jug was arguing, that reed ran with the FASTEST NFL RECEIVERS. clearly that was hyperbole.

I am well aware of how small the actual differences are in 40 times, and Jug isnt paying attention to what I said, I never said the combine was the be all and end all I used his combine stats to combat the argument that Doughty was fast. LMAO, Doughty has never been considered fast.

 

[Rymanofthenorth]

Sorry Jug, you lose, you wont find an article talking about how Reeds speed benefits him because HE IS CONSIDERED SLOW for and NFL safety. YOu made the argument that he is fast and YOU accused me of not watching games and not knowing what I was talking about so its incumbent on you to support that argument. until then I will be ignoring you because you clearly know nothing about football or arguing. yet again, you tried to manufacture an argument out of nothing, no stats to back you up, no film, no articles talking about his speed being fast enough to run with the fastest receivers in the NFL, nothing but your obviously ill informed opinion.

 

[Jugband McGillicuddy]

Now we're down to "never considered fast."

You're an offensive tackle, right? Makes sense. Your backpedal is stellar.

 

[Primus Porcus]

frankly Reed should never see the field, great guy, no speed, too small to play anything else. I was against signing this guy too but if he can stay healthy he will help a struggling secondary bigtime.

Ryman.... it sure doesn't look like you like the guy... and where are you finding articles about speed? What does that have to do with anything? If his speed was such a liability, he wouldn't be the longest tenured Redskin on defense.


How about we got the other way. Find me visual evidence that Reed gets consistently burnt in the open field.

 

[Lanky Livingston]

Reid has stuck around, year after year, despite all the armchair GMs (myself included) predicting he would be cut "any year now." If nothing else, that's proof he is an NFL player. His career is already longer than average, he's a special teams demon, and solid against the run. Not bad for a deaf kid from northern Arizona.
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[Fear The Spear]

I havn't heard any announcement about who will take BM's place on the roster, yet.
Have they decided ?

 

[Elephant]

Slowwwww down fellas. Reed Doughty has lasted longer in the NFL than many thought he would by sheer grit and smart play. But he isn't around for his speed and cover duties, that's for sure. I ran a 4.7 40 when I was 22, so...

As for his value to this team? If he wasn't one of the better special teams players on this team, he have been gone long ago. He will do anything asked of him.

 

[Fear The Spear]

As for his value to this team? If he wasn't one of the better special teams players on this team, he have been gone long ago. He will do anything asked of him.

Yep, he's our White Lorenzo

 

[Lanky Livingston]

Uhhh, Mike, Sean's measureables were off the charts for a guy his size. He definitely would have been drafted based on his combine alone.
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[McD5]

I havn't heard any announcement about who will take BM's place on the roster, yet.
Have they decided ?

It's hard to replace someone like that this late in the year, and expect him to come in and play well.

I'd like to see them at least consider Hall to safety, and Crawford to corner--if the kid can really play.

 

[Fear The Spear]

It's hard to replace someone like that this late in the year, and expect him to come in and play well.

I mean, his slot on the 53 man roster, not "filling his shoes" at the safety position