Official Game Thread - Week 8 - Commanders @ Colts

Chris said:
100% of NFL players get injured. It’s not bad luck, bad juju, or bad training staffs.
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I dont know that its necessarily bad juju (though i wonder sometimes), but i do wonder how much of it is how bad out facility is in Ashburn. I've heard multiple players comment about coming into the facility in Ashburn and saying they've seen high school locker rooms / weigh rooms that were better. If those parts aren't a focal point, you wonder about the practice field, the medical rooms, and other things. We have really bad luck with soft tissue injuries, you can go down the list over the past of the times we've had guys injured and nobody could really figure out what was actually going on. Curtis Samuel and Josh Doctson being the latest off the top of my head. Can an inferior facility contribute? I get it, concussions, broken bones, contact injuries happen... but i'm looking at the stuff that seems to linger longer than player on other teams (could just be my bias), ligament damages, hamstrings, ankles, achilies... why does it feel like we have more guys that just cant stay healthy than other teams.... again could just be my own bias, i get it lol.
 
I'm guessing this is a universal fan belief - our team has many more injuries than anyone else and _______ is to blame for it.
 
If everyone thinks it and provides proof of specific issues backing up their claims....maybe the issues are the refs and training staffs.

Not every fan is wrong or just complaining.
 
Mostly. It does seem at times like there is an inherent officiating bias when it comes to marquee teams and superstar players. But that also might not hold up to scrutiny, I don't know...
 
Nearly every fan from every team does. It’s what fans do.
 
Spotrac has Injured Reserve stats by team all the way back to 2013. I'm not paying for premium access to pull them. I'm just guessing it would show variability from team to team and from year to year, but it might prove your beliefs just as easily Mike.

Where I'm coming from? Most injuries seem to be related to collision and the violence of the game which to me can't be avoided with 'training'. And even the injuries that aren't caused by that, say a WR snaps a ligament making a cut in practice - are we really sure that if only the trainers were doing different things, or the regimen were completely different, or the facilities were the best in the world, that fewer players would get injured?

I'm just skeptical of that. Doesn't mean I'm right. It just seems like the simplest explanation is usually the most likely to be right. It's a super violent sport and lots of guys get hurt, on every team, every year. This is one area where if you played fantasy football, you'd be acutely aware of how bad it gets for teams as the season progresses. I'm struggling this week to field a team due to the injuries.

I think one would really have to do some research to figure out if certain teams managed player health/injuries better than others. And even there, staffs and players are constantly changing, so I'm not sure it's provable one way or the other.
 
This might be a cool thing to look at in the offseason, or you know, December for us :) Pull stats and really look at it with an open mind.
 
I want to say I saw a stat that we lost the most games due to injury (not score, lost in terms of games played... ie.. Chase Young missed 7 games last year, that's 7 games lost) by a wide margin the years leading up to Covid... like, REALLY wide margin.
 
IMO, bad teams struggle with injuries because of the lack of quality depth.
Part of that is roster mismanagement,part of it is due to salary cap restraint,expansion and some of it is league induced by archaic rules/restrictions.

To me, you can't add another game to the regular season and still hold on to the 46 player game day roster rule. Active roster should be expanded to 60 and gameday to 53. This would help the quality of play,imo.

The league has made it harder to have guys like a Raleigh McKenzie or Ed Simmons as depth guys that can step in without much drop off from the starters.

Good teams just get by. Bad,poorly managed teams can't.
 
SilentThreat said:
I want to say I saw a stat that we lost the most games due to injury (not score, lost in terms of games played... ie.. Chase Young missed 7 games last year, that's 7 games lost) by a wide margin the years leading up to Covid... like, REALLY wide margin.
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We've definitely had a couple tough seasons (the timing of our COVID outbreak probably skews those numbers big time though - and that had nothing to do with 'training staff'). My point is I'm betting all teams have stretches where the injury bug hits them. Maybe it says something about training and staff and facilities - but maybe it's just part of the NFL and there's little that can be done to prevent it.

I kind of lean on my ortho background. Knees, ankles, shoulders, fingers - they're only designed to bend one way. No amount of training is going to prevent injuries when they are moved in the other direction. Soft tissue injuries like hammies, groins, pulls - maybe there's a stronger correlation... maybe...

I doubt anyone's mind is getting changed in this discussion :)
 
Heinicke and McLaurin work well together. Heinicke definitely has some moxy. O line gave him some time to throw as well on that last drive.
 
When Turner allows them to...

He's the biggest hinder to our team
 
Heinicke is the main cause for it. Players play for him and love him. He's one of them.
 
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His stats since Taylor has taken over show who he is and why he loves Taylor b
 
Taylor throws balls Wentz doesnt.

Wentz has the ability to make throws Taylor can't

Taylor could have 3 or 4 more INTs THIS year if not for plays by his WRs. The key is figuring out the balance of risk / reward. Right now, we've seen some reward.. let's hope it continues.
 
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