Official Game Thread - Week 1 - Giants @ Commanders

Dabol, was given a lot of credit for developing Josh Allen, Allen was erratic accuracy wise coming out of college. And in year 1, he seemed to fix Daniel Jones and hence Jones got the big contract and made the playoffs and even won a game in the playoffs.

Then the wheels fell off with Jones. Partly because of injury and partly because Jones resorted back to who he is.

I was at the game when Devito carved up Rvera's team. And Devito isn't talented to say the least.

Logan Paulsen would in his own polite way imply that Dabol was too much (my language not his) for Del Rio to handle scheme wise, when he mapped out why this team struggled against them.

So in short, if Dabol went back to running an offense, he might not be bad at it. Sort of like Dan Quinn here, he's not per se always running that unit even though its his niche. He's had other offensive coordinators. He's switched on and off as far as running it.

As I pointed out, I don't feel that Whitt coordinated that hot of a defense last year but I don't put that on Quinn. When you are running a team, its hard to go full on to coordinating too, something has to give -- see Kingsbury in Arizona versus here.
Yeah it's on Whitt/DQ to be able to scheme well and effing adjust instead of pulling the old Del Rio/Rivera crap. I expect a well planned defensive attack including pressure from many different sources. We need Russ to be uncomfortable and take hits.
 
We brought 5 (Luvu) a TON last year. It was almost our default pass rush.

I think we'll test the waters with our more stout run D and practice stopping Barkley by keying on Tracy heavily to start. We all know it's inevitable Wilson fires early and often to Nabers. Stopping both will be the key to glorious victory.
 
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But the point they made is similar to mine about this game which is the Giants will likely go deep and do so often, try to beat Washington via the deep play.

Indeed. But they also pointed out that Washington was 6th in the league in least amount of receptions over 20 yards allowed last year. And that was with a conceivably lesser amount of talent in the secondary.
 
We may not give them time to go deep numerous times. I think our pass rush is going to be better than folks realize because we finally have the DB talent to prevent a QB from always having a safety valve wide open.
 
If its clear Nabers is a problem for our DBs maybe Jayden can slip him a roofie when they inevitably meet up at halftime.

Joking aside, will Lattimore be following Nabers? I liked Dark Shadows but dont know how shadows get assigned; but figure a physical guy like Lattimore wouldn't match up well vs him.

I am happy to see him try to jam him at the line a few times in a zone scheme / help over the top.
 
I mean, we were really vulnerable to deep shots last season with how awful our corners were last year until Sainristil developed a bit and moved outside. For as much as we criticized Lattimore he was still better than St. Juste/Forbes/etc.

That first Giants game? Woof. Just terrible corner play.
 
We brought 5 (Luvu) a TON last year. It was almost our default pass rush.

I think we'll test the waters with our more stout run D and practice stopping Barkley by keying on Tracy heavily to start. We all know it's inevitable Wilson fires early and often to Nabers. Stopping both will be the key to glorious victory.
Our somewhat improved run D should be able to slow Tracy. We are still going to be required to get much more consistent pressure on QB's this year. That is going to need to come from it being schemed from all over, not just expected from Luvu and Miller
 
This photo below is my lasting impression of Brian Dabol. Wink Martindale always concerned me more as a coach than Dabol ever did.

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We may not give them time to go deep numerous times. I think our pass rush is going to be better than folks realize because we finally have the DB talent to prevent a QB from always having a safety valve wide open.


I think this is the crux of the whole game.

Their O-line is already a question mark and their best player along that unit has been limited. Injury report today could be huge.
 
We brought 5 (Luvu) a TON last year. It was almost our default pass rush.

I think we'll test the waters with our more stout run D and practice stopping Barkley by keying on Tracy heavily to start. We all know it's inevitable Wilson fires early and often to Nabers. Stopping both will be the key to glorious victory.
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We may not give them time to go deep numerous times. I think our pass rush is going to be better than folks realize because we finally have the DB talent to prevent a QB from always having a safety valve wide open.
Having this improved secondary just enables Witt to do more of the things that I’m sure he wanted to do last year. You add in the big guys up front and also having a guy like Magee available and also Newton having a full preseason and I think this defence will improve considerably this year.
 
Indeed. But they also pointed out that Washington was 6th in the league in least amount of receptions over 20 yards allowed last year. And that was with a conceivably lesser amount of talent in the secondary.

Our secondary was one of the worst as to giving up 20 plus yards passes last season. But one of the best at not allowing 40 plus yard passes.

I don't know if I find much relevance to it considering the seconday is going to be mostly different from last years -- hopefully and I assume better.

Lattimore needs to bounce back. And hopefully Amos doesn't start like most rookie CBs do -- evan Sainristill struggled early.
 
I think this is the crux of the whole game.

Their O-line is already a question mark and their best player along that unit has been limited. Injury report today could be huge.

Agree. I think this D line is slept on some as to pass rush. I think it will be good. Von Miller, J. Martin, Luvu. And I like Kinlaw, Payne, Newton as to pass rush.

If they can get to Wilson, I think they pull off the win. If they don't, I'd put money on NY.

I think the media has the D line somewhat pegged wrong. I don't think pass rush will be a weakness. I also don't think they fixed their run defense.

I like the secondary and the pass rush. Don't love either but I do like it. It might take some games though to gel. I do think the run defense will suck again -- hopefully am wrong about that
 
Our secondary was one of the worst as to giving up 20 plus yards passes last season. But one of the best at not allowing 40 plus yard passes.

I don't know if I find much relevance to it considering the seconday is going to be mostly different from last years -- hopefully and I assume better.

Lattimore needs to bounce back. And hopefully Amos doesn't start like most rookie CBs do -- evan Sainristill struggled early.

Perhaps I misunderstand the stat that the PFF guy was citing. It sure sounded to me like it was a plus.
 
Perhaps I misunderstand the stat that the PFF guy was citing. It sure sounded to me like it was a plus.

You didn't misunderstand. Maybe I miscommunicated my point.

Looking it up, this defense was one of the tops at not giving up 40 plus yard passes. They were good on that metric. That was PFF's point more or less.

But the flip side was.

The defense was one of the worst at giving up 20 plus yard plays.

So in short the defense was bad on pass plays between 20 and 40 yards. But really good at passes of 40 yards plus.
 
Our secondary was one of the worst as to giving up 20 plus yards passes last season. But one of the best at not allowing 40 plus yard passes.

Probably because they don't count St.Justes 35 DPI calls.
 
You didn't misunderstand. Maybe I miscommunicated my point.

Looking it up, this defense was one of the tops at not giving up 40 plus yard passes. They were good on that metric. That was PFF's point more or less.

But the flip side was.

The defense was one of the worst at giving up 20 plus yard plays.

So in short the defense was bad on pass plays between 20 and 40 yards. But really good at passes of 40 yards plus.

I’m still confused 🤣

The PFF guy said that Washington was 6th in the league in least amount of receptions over 20 yards allowed last year.
 
Probably because they don't count St.Justes 35 DPI calls.

Yeah I've seen with the secondary so mnay different metrics, some showing it was good, some showing it sucked. People like us who watched the games don't need to try to dicipher the numbers -- the secondary clearly sucked. Forbes sucked. St. Juste sucked. Even though Sainristill played well overall, he did suck early on playing the slot. And Lattimore was a disaster.

I do like the new set up. There are some ifs though about it.

A. If Saintrstill who played better on the outside than slot, emerges as a slot CB like he did in college. I think he does but its not slam dunk.

B. Trey Amos. Most rookies struggle early and heck in the full season 1. But not all. I think he hits the ground running but its not slam dunk.

C. Lattimore. He didn't just suck last year but he's also been injury prone for years, very injury prone. Does he both find his groove and stay healthy? You got me. Feels like a total wildcard.
 

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