Mock Drafts Thread

Pray to God that our 20 year drought of amazing receivers ends next month.

Sit back and enjoy the next five minutes. Pay particular attention to the very first play, and try to count how many defenders it takes to bring him down.

Look at the hands at the 1:30 mark.

Also, if he breaks a tackle, he's gone. Watch the play at the 2:06 mark.

And look at him carry the LSU defense at 2:30.

I give thee.......Julio Jones. :claps:

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I understand your man crush on Julio McD5. I believe that we have so many holes to fill, that an often injured WR is a luxury and not a necessity.

Look at the some of the great recievers across the league. What have they won? Randy Moss? Did he take the Vikings, Raiders, or Titans to the Super Bowl? He never won the SB with NE. How about Andre Johnson. IMO the best in the league. Have the Texans won anything with him? Shoot, I do not think they have even made the playoffs. Ochocinco was great there for a while...nope never won.

Calvin Johnson...Nope. Larry Fitzgerald....Lost in the super bowl....but they got there because of Kurt Warner....have not been back since. I will give you Jennings from this past year, but the Pack can win without him, yes, the QB is that good.

In fact, within the past decade the only dominate WR's that have made it to the SB are Marvin Harrison, Greg Jennings, and Reggie Wayne. But it can be argued that they only made it because of their HOF QB or possible future HOF QB.

We are rebuilding. WRs are not the pieces you build around. NE won those SBs without a dominate WR. Pittsburgh, Bears, Seahawks, Raiders, Panthers, Bucs, Eagles (I know T.O., but he was not there in the playoffs) and Saints have gotten to the SB within the last decade without the dominate WR. Actually, Steve Smith of the Panthers is a good one. But, he has done nothing without a QB.

Who was the hero a few years back for the Giants against the Pats? A no name who is not even in the league anymore.

WR is the least of our worries. Build the lines, especially the defense, and hopefully other things will fall into place. One common theme amongst most of the Super Bowl attendees is a solid or opportunistic defense.

As a matter of fact, this has caused me to think. If the Skins select Julio over a dominate D player or QB, then I think I will be quite mad.
 
the Omniscient said:
I understand your man crush on Julio McD5. I believe that we have so many holes to fill, that an often injured WR is a luxury and not a necessity.
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This is a great post, and it's hard to argue with the overall theme. I do believe you aren't giving enough credit to the receivers though. Real quickly:

Culpepper without Randy Moss was a joke. I believe you can give the majority of that credit to Moss.

Andre Johnson singlehandedly beat us last season, on that incredible catch.

Steve Smith is the only good thing Carolina has had, and how many games has Desean Jackson won all by himself?

I believe Julio brings us another few wins a year. Now, I don't believe that it has to be Julio OR a line. It can be both.

If I was the GM, Portis would have been gone years ago, for a receiver like Boldin. Cooley would have been gone, for picks or a lineman. I would have blown up this mess already.

We need a ton of things--including both receivers and linemen. To me at least, he looks like a steal at the 10 spot.
 
The latest mock draft from Yahoo...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/sh...lt=Atak1Ou9JWJT23b0xZMQqG7Xb6x_?urn=nfl-wp783

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/sh...lt=AlsWWdMY23LjPe0jQ9RWeGXXb6x_?urn=nfl-wp776


1. Carolina Panthers — Cam Newton, QB, Auburn

2. Denver Broncos — Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri

3. Buffalo Bills —Marcell Dareus, DT, Alabama.

4. Cincinnati Bengals — A.J. Green, WR, Georgia

5. Arizona Cardinals — Von Miller, OLB, Texas A&M

6. Cleveland Browns — Robert Quinn, DE, North Carolina

7. San Francisco 49ers —Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU

8. Tennessee Titans — Nick Fairley, DT, Auburn

9. Dallas Cowboys — Anthony Castonzo, OT, Boston College

10. Washington Redskins — Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State

There are needs just about everywhere on Washington's roster, and it's been a typical call to put Alabama receiver Julio Jones or a rush end on Washington's shopping list, and good look at the game tape — especially against better pressure teams — speaks to a severe need at the tackle position. Trent Williams(notes) showed a lot of potential in his rookie year, but right tackle Jamaal Brown struggled to overcome injuries, was beaten often by better speed rushers, and is a risk at age 30. Sherrod is a great fundamental left tackle, but the ease with which he kicked over to the right side during Senior Bowl week (and the nastiness he showed in the actual game) should have the 'Skins looking his way.

11. Houston Texans — Aldon Smith, OLB, Missouri

12. Minnesota Vikings — Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson

13. Detroit Lions — Prince Amukamara, DB, Nebraska

14. St. Louis Rams —Julio Jones, WR, Alabama

15. Miami Dolphins — Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama

16. Jacksonville Jaguars —Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa

17. New England Patriots (from Oakland Raiders) — Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Purdue

18. San Diego Chargers — J.J. Watt, DE, Wisconsin

19. New York Giants — Mike Pouncey, OG, Florida

20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers —Cameron Jordan, DE, California

21. Kansas City Chiefs — Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State

22. Indianapolis Colts — Nate Solder, OT, Colorado

23. Philadelphia Eagles — Jimmy Smith, CB, Colorado

24. New Orleans Saints — Justin Houston, OLB, Georgia

25. Seattle Seahawks — Jake Locker, QB, Washington

26. Baltimore Ravens —Brandon Harris, CB, Miami

27. Atlanta Falcons — Martez Wilson, LB, Illinois

28. New England Patriots — Danny Watkins, OG, Baylor

29. Chicago Bears -- Tyron Smith, OT, USC

30. New York Jets — Phil Taylor, DT, Baylor

31. Pittsburgh Steelers — Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin

32. Green Bay Packers — Corey Liuget, DL, Illinois
 
McD5 said:
Culpepper without Randy Moss was a joke. I believe you can give the majority of that credit to Moss.

Andre Johnson singlehandedly beat us last season, on that incredible catch.

Steve Smith is the only good thing Carolina has had, and how many games has Desean Jackson won all by himself?

I believe Julio brings us another few wins a year. Now, I don't believe that it has to be Julio OR a line. It can be both.
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Everyone discusses Culpepper without Moss, but the final year they were together, Scott Linehan left and I believe he joined the Dolphins. He is a really good O Coordinator and I think that hurt that offense more than anything else at that time.

Yes, a good WR can win you a game here or there, but a good Defense can win you games all the time.

Carolina also had an excellent running game for the past decade. When they were at their peak, their D was very good as well. I will say that if Smith had a great QB throwing to him, we may be talking about the HOF.

DeSean Jackson is dynamic, no doubt. But fragile, and at the end of the year he was afraid to cross the middle of the field. At least that is what I have read. I did not pay too close attention to him. He also helps his team by returning punts.

Julio Jones is not going to be back returning punts or kickoffs.

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10. Washington Redskins — Derek Sherrod, OT, Mississippi State
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Seems a bit high for Sherrod. Most mocks I have read have him going in the 20's and possibly the second round all together. One thing I noticed about that mock is the lack of Cameron Heyward. I believe he will go in the first.
 
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The new Kiper mock has us taking J.J Watt. I like Cameron Jordan better but either way a better D line, I could live with that.
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Sometimes I don't understand myself! I know, I mean...I know there is nothing that will change or alter anything draft related until the draft actually takes place, yet every day I come here to this thread in hopes of gathering some insight into what the Redskins will do. :laugh:

I need help!
 
Skinsfan76 said:
The new Kiper mock has us taking J.J Watt. I like Cameron Jordan better but either way a better D line, I could live with that.
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Here are their scouting reports from CBS. Just from reading these I like Watt better. I would like to watch them play. I find it interesting that they compared Watt to Carriker. :

JJ Watt: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1692906

Pass rush: Relentless rushing the passer in obvious passing situations whether lined up inside or outside. Gets extra attention from opponents. Most dangerous when anticipating the snap and swimming over guards/centers inside. Spins off blocks to get outside after initial contact or pushes through doubles inside. Gets his hands into throwing lanes, using his height and length to knock down or affect passes. Nimble feet allow him to twist inside. Bounces back after initial contact, keeps his balance to find the ballcarrier. Knocks tight end off route before making his rush. Often lined up outside the tackle, can bull-rush and get corner at times against college right tackles but needs to continue improving his flexibility to beat NFL blockers.

Run defense: Active against the run. Able to stack and shed to get to outside runs, and is strong and agile enough to move down the line to be involved in inside runs. Displays some nice change-of-direction ability for his size to mirror ballcarriers trying to elude. Gives very good effort containing misdirection and bootlegs on the edge, though quicker NFL ballcarriers will beat him to the edge. When inside, has quickness to penetrate and gets his hands up quickly to maintain distance from the blocker but fails to keep his body square to the line and gets pushed out of the play.

Explosion: Flashes quickness off the snap and willingness to pop and knock back opponents. Able to penetrate gaps with a nice first step and works through double-teams with aggressiveness when lined up inside. Has enough closing speed to explode into ballcarriers and force fumbles. Doesn't have the typical explosive first step of most rush ends because of his girth and lack of ideal height. He is considered an explosive player on every down because he has arguably the strongest punch and most effective hands in the class.

Strength: Flashes strength to shed blocks and bull through double teams, but must gain muscle in both his upper and lower body to hold his ground at the next level. Can be pushed off the line by double teams, typically when turned sideways. Works with his hands against blockers, looks to potentially be good in this area. Can play too high when lined up inside to win the leverage battle.

Tackling: High-effort tackler with long arms and growing strength. Gets low despite his height to mirror and wrap up ballcarriers. Quarterbacks do not want to feel his explosive tackling in the backfield. Doesn't leave his feet, though he stretches to make a lot of ankle tackles other linemen couldn't make.

Intangibles: Excellent character and work ethic. Won the Lott IMPACT Award for integrity, maturity, performance, academics, community and tenacity among college defenders. Began the Justin J. Watt Foundation to help schools fund athletic programs, does quite a bit of community work. Academic All-Big Ten in 2009 and 2010. Brother Derek is scheduled to play football at UW in 2011.

Compares to: Adam Carriker, Redskins -- People were impressed with Watt's combine performance, but scouts saw very similar results from Carriker four years ago. Carriker seemed to fit Washington's 3-4 scheme well in 2010, so Watt's career might get off on the right foot if he can find a similar situation.

--Chad Reuter





Cameron Jordan: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1272992

Pass rush: Only moderate initial quickness off the snap. Doesn't possess the top-end speed to be more than a marginal pass rusher in the NFL. Relies on his power and technique to pressure the pocket. Has a strong club move and rip and swim moves. Has the hand strength to knock away the initial punch of the pass blocker and often supplies his own punch to drive his opponent into the pocket. Good use of leverage and very good strength for the bull rush. Locates the ball and shows a late burst to close when opportunities are presented. Has long arms but is still developing recognition and timing to get his hands up. Has only five passes broken up in 50 games.

Run defense: Stout run defender. Understands gap responsibilities in the 3-4 defense. Has the long arms to keep defenders away from his chest and the bulk to anchor. Locates the ball quickly and pursues hard. Good balance and appears more agile in run defense forcing the back wide to the sideline than he is as a pass rusher. Good effort in lateral and downfield pursuit.

Explosion: Flashes an explosive initial burst but is inconsistent in this area. Doesn't have the speed or flexibility as an edge rusher to take full advantage of his spotty suddenness, but can shock his opponent when he times the snap correctly. Shows a late burst to close on the ballcarrier, resulting in big collisions. Forced four career fumbles.

Strength: Arguably his greatest asset. Possesses very good upper- and lower-body strength to remain as a five technique defensive end in the 3-4 or a base (left) defensive end for the 4-3 alignment. Comes off the snap low and hard and has the bulk to create a pile. Can drive his opponent into the pocket with his bull rush and slide off to make the tackle when the ballcarrier is near.

Tackling: Good strength for the drag-down tackle. Will lower his shoulder and bring his hips for the big collision. Strong enough that he can slip off blockers and find the ball. Doesn't have great balance or flexibility to break down in the open field to tackle elusive ballcarriers but his long arms and good hand-eye coordination help him to at least trip up the target.

Intangibles: High-effort player. Plays to the whistle and pursues hard. Good bloodlines. Father, Steve Jordan, was a six-time Pro Bowl tight end during 13 seasons with the Minnesota Vikings. Suspended for 2008 season opener after an arrest for suspicion of a DUI -- the only game he missed at Cal. Played in 50 of 51 games, including 32 starts. Characterized by teammates as a "locker-room clown" and a "just a big kid at heart." Had his maturity questioned by coaches early in his career, though he emerged as more of a leader since.

Compares to: Cory Redding, Ravens -- The long, athletic Redding played well in Baltimore's 3-4 after struggling at times as a strong-side end early in his career; Jordan should be fortunate enough to use his strength and quickness in a three-man front right away.

--Rob Rang
 
I think if we pick at ten, it will hard to turn down Julio Jones for one of these two guys. If Quinn is on the board could we go that way? If I had the GM hat on I would probably go Quinn if he is there if not I would take Cameron Jordon over Julio but I would do my best to get out of that ten spot.

You guys think that their is a late round QB that could be an NFL starter? I know people mention Greg McElroy but I just don't think he has the arm strength.
 
I agree with you about McElroy. He has the smarts, and can takes snaps from under center, but he does not have the arm strength.

I recently read an article comparing Ricky Stanzi to Tom Brady. Not that he is going to be as good, that would be very difficult. But in the sense that his body has not fully developed yet. Remember when Tom Brady came out in the draft? The guy did not look like an athlete at all. He got to the Pats and worked his but off. Maybe Stanzi is similar in that regard.

I am not real excited about any QB in this draft. I have my list, but what the hell do I know?
 
That made me laugh Goaldeje. I am just trying to be human like the rest of you. No one likes a know it all.
 
I have the opinion (at least this week) that says I wouldn't draft a QB this year. I still have a funny feeling that Locker could be a member of the Redskins but that is another conversation. If I had to pick a QB this year I am starting to warm up to Kaepernick a little bit. He has the mobility and the arm and is also fairly accurate. My opinion on QB could change next week.
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We have six picks in the 5th round and later. Finding these late round gems is going to decide Shanahan's time with the Skins.
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Lanky Livingston said:
Two-round mock from National Football Post has us taking Robert Quinn at 10 and Andy Dalton at 41. Can't hate on those two picks that much.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Tworound-mock-draft.html


EDIT: I will vomit if the Steelers get Ingram. Don't see them going offense though, that DL ain't getting any younger.
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let's hope for an early settlement to the labor impasse so FA can be exploited. otherwise, simply not enough high picks as it is...and a development projectin the second round? ......Shanahan has a mess on his hands.....
 
Looking at the NFP mock - if the Patriots pull it off, they're going to the superbowl yet again.

17. Cameron Jordan, DE/OLB Cal
28. Danny Watkins, OL Baylor
33. Akeem Ayers, DE/OLB UCLA
60. Ryan Williams, RB VT
 
PFW mock draft via Yahoo.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=A2KJ3CQJPadNTCYAmntNbK5_?slug=pfw-20110408_2011_mock_draft_40

1. Carolina Panthers
A.J. Green | WR | Georgia

2. Denver Broncos
Von Miller | DE | Texas A&M

3. Buffalo Bills
Cam Newton | QB | Auburn

4. Cincinnati Bengals
Julio Jones | WR | Alabama

5. Arizona Cardinals
Blaine Gabbert | QB | Missouri

6. Cleveland Browns
Robert Quinn | DE | North Carolina

7. San Francisco 49ers
Patrick Peterson | CB | LSU

8. Tennessee Titans
Nick Fairley | DT | Auburn

9. Dallas Cowboys
Marcell Dareus | DL | Alabama

10. Washington Redskins
Prince Amukamara | CB | Nebraska
Mike Shanahan is intent on improving his offense, but the defense is littered with holes as well, and Shanahan will be able to find more offensive value in the coming rounds. If Amukamara is available, he could plug into the starting lineup right away and shore up a struggling secondary.

11. Houston Texans
Jimmy Smith | CB | Colorado

12. Minnesota Vikings
Tyron Smith | OT | USC

13. Detroit Lions
Aldon Smith | DE | Missouri

14. St. Louis Rams
Cameron Jordan | DL | California

15. Miami Dolphins
Mike Pouncey | OG | Florida

16. Jacksonville Jaguars
J.J. Watt | DE | Wisconsin

17. New England Patriots (from Oakland)
Anthony Castonzo | OLT | Boston College

18. San Diego Chargers
Ryan Kerrigan | OLB | Purdue

19. New York Giants
Mark Ingram | RB | Alabama

20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Adrian Clayborn | DE | Iowa

21. Kansas City Chiefs
Gabe Carimi | OT | Wisconsin

22. Indianapolis Colts
Corey Liuget | DT | Illinois

23. Philadelphia Eagles
Da’Quan Bowers | DE | Clemson

24. New Orleans Saints
Muhammad Wilkerson | DE | Temple

25. Seattle Seahawks
Marvin Austin | DT | North Carolina

26. Baltimore Ravens
Derek Sherrod | OT | Mississippi State

27. Atlanta Falcons
Aaron Williams | CB | Texas

28. New England Patriots
Andy Dalton | QB | TCU

29. Chicago Bears
Nate Solder | OT | Colorado

30. New York Jets
Phil Taylor | NT | Baylor

31. Pittsburgh Steelers
Brandon Harris | CB | Miami (Fla.)

32. Green Bay Packers
Justin Houston | OLB | Georgia
 
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