Is this run different - or when will the past be dead?

It will take more than one season of winning to put Norvitis to bed. That's what 30 years of damage will do.

After the 2005 season, everyone thought the dark days were officially over and that with Joe Gibbs back on the sidelines,they'd go on another run.
Then 2006 happened. Then 2007 and Taylor passing happened and then Joe left and they were back to square one.

So is this season a fluke,because it seems like at times they have four horseshoes up their ass, or is this something long term sustainable?

Love the current ride they are on but let's not crown them just yet.
 

Because cycling happens in the NFL. Good teams get bad. Bad teams get good.

Washington was a dominant, Super Bowl winning team for a long time with Gibbs, Beathard, and Jack Kent Cooke.

But Beathard leaves the team, Gibbs retires from coaching, and Mr. Cooke passes away and the team goes into flux.

It happens.

Kind of like the New England Patriots now. They were a Super Bowl dynasty for years. Now Brady is retired, Bellicheck is gone, and now they are the worse team in the NFL.

The Patriots were good, now they are bad. Meanwhile, teams that were bad when the Patriots were on top, like Detroit and Washington, are suddenly getting good.

The cycle goes on.
 
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I think one of the biggest differences i see this year compared to the last 30 is player development. It seems we got better as this season progressed, and role players at the beginning if the season have blossomed. In years past, we just got worse as injuries piled up, and their was no close to equivalent behind the starters.

This year, we seem to get better as the season goes. Often that has even been as quickly as half time adjustments. That whole concept seems deserves a welcome back after a 30 year odyssey or a 3 hour tour (depending on how old you want your references).
 
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gbear2 said:
I think one of the biggest differences i see this year compared to the last 30 is player development. It seems we got better as this season progressed, and role players at the beginning if the season have blossomed. In years past, we just got worse as injuries piled up, and their was no close to equivalent behind the starters.

This year, we seem to get better as the season goes. Often that has even been as quickly as half time adjustments. That whole concept seems deserves a welcome back after a 30 year odyssey or a 3 hour tour (depending on how old you want your references).
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Either way, we've been at sea a long time.

Sitting here and considering all the analogies to Odysseus' travels. Stumbling slightly on the one for obstructed view seating at FedEx, but plenty of others feel right on the nose.

Maybe speaking to much of my own experience but the general upbeat vibe of Mary Ann and Ginger feels too good to reflect the time & hope lost!
 
I keep reading stories of fans wearing Commanders gear getting comments or thumbs up from other fans across the country. We went for a team everyone laughed at for a genration to a team people are rooting for in one season. And only because we drafted Mr. Jayden Daniels. I am so excited about all of this, but I'm really happy for the 35 year old fan who has seen nothing but losing and embarrassment.
 
Darrell Green Fan said:
I keep reading stories of fans wearing Commanders gear getting comments or thumbs up from other fans across the country. We went for a team everyone laughed at for a genration to a team people are rooting for in one season. And only because we drafted Mr. Jayden Daniels. I am so excited about all of this, but I'm really happy for the 35 year old fan who has seen nothing but losing and embarrassment.
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We are now the scrappy underdog team. We are now Cinderella. Everyone relates to the underdog.

Plus on top of everything else, JD5 is likeable. What other player consistently helps opponents up off the ground?
 
burgold said:
We are now the scrappy underdog team. We are now Cinderella. Everyone relates to the underdog.

Plus on top of everything else, JD5 is likeable. What other player consistently helps opponents up off the ground?
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I think it's mostly Jayden. He is the reason a Chargers fan wants to watch your Washington Commaders, but most every fan I've heard from is generally happy for us fans who totally deserve this. Just as the lifelong Lions fan deserves their success.
 

There are no such thing as curses, our failure was earned from the top down through incompetence, maliciousness, and cheapness (among many other negative adjectives).

We’re doing better now because we have better people executing business through better systems while exhibiting competence. It’s as simple as that.

Magical thinking about curses and bad luck and such actually makes it harder to identify and appreciate real change as it happens. We all deserve to recognize and enjoy what’s happening imo regardless of whether it results in NFC Championship game appearances or SB’s. Plenty of top tier franchises never (or infrequently) experience the rarest highs of this sport, it’s competitive as hell. Hopefully we get there, and I think in the coming years we can. But if we don’t, it doesn’t devalue the special, historic change that’s happening in front of our eyes. We were never cursed, we were burdened by bad, stupid, lazy, arguably evil ownership. Which will kill most businesses eventually.

Let yourself enjoy the sunshine without constantly wondering if the sun will fall out of the sky, imo. We’re a normal franchise now. There will still be lows, bad draft picks, bad playcalls, poor coaches and untalented players at times in our future, like anyone else. But even in those times, hope for improvement is real again and that’s what’s important as a sports fan imo
 
Conn said:
We’re a normal franchise now. There will still be lows, bad draft picks, bad playcalls, poor coaches and untalented players at times in our future, like anyone else. But even in those times, hope for improvement is real again and that’s what’s important as a sports fan imo
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Agreed. I'm back to feeling the way I felt in the 80s/early 90s - the team can and may overcome whatever challenge they face, and if they don't, it's not because they're untalented, self-centered, unprepared, or indifferent, which was often the case during Snyder's reign of incompetence.

Think about this: the lows you listed do happen to every team at some point, but for the Snyder Skins, we were seeing several per year, every year. Though it hasn't even been a full year yet, I'm confident that the shit show is over.
 

And who cares? Answer the direct question, do you actually believe in some ephemeral curse, when garden variety greed, incompetence, and earned failure were in front of our faces for 20 years?

It sounds like you should have made a voodoo doll of Dan Snyder years ago and gotten to work
 
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Agreed. I'm back to feeling the way I felt in the 80s/early 90s - the team can and may overcome whatever challenge they face, and if they don't, it's not because they're untalented, self-centered, unprepared, or indifferent, which was often the case during Snyder's reign of incompetence.

I've been a fan since the early 70's. Thank you for putting into words, exactly I feel.....
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Somene who has followed the skins my entire life and looking at this from an outside perspective, I'd say this is much different.

First, this is the first time Washington has had a franchise QB since Sonny. No, Theismann wasn't a franchise QB. Back in the Gibbs years you had a franchise offensive line. Thats what the Hogs were. Yes, everyone thought RG3 was going to solve the Franchise QB situation, but Snyder got in the way and of course all the injuries and his dad and of course Bruce Allen.

Second, a new owner who is doing everything right. Hiring a GM from a good organization and then David Blackburn from the Ravens organization to become the Director of College Scouting. This is the way it's done. Even when Gibbs came back, you still didn't hire a GM. There were rumors that they wanted to hire Eric DeCosta from the Ravens, but that never happened.

Third, hiring a coach that actually can build a culture and he has done that in such a short time. Sure winning helps, but he brought in leaders to the organizations. Making the playoffs and winning a playoff game in year one is amazing. You are playing with house money. Who knows how far you can go.

Year two - Offseason you need to bring in more talent to surround Daniels and build the defense.

I'm rooting for you guys!
 
"That killed me." - Joe Gibbs
Re: Sean Taylor's death

This is year 1 with competent owners and management. We are just beginning ladies and gents
 
Conn said:
There are no such thing as curses,
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Agree.

But the football Gods exist.

It is right to be fearful of them.

And don’t tempt fate. Fate is a cruel mistress who will kick you in the nuts with a steel toed boot.

Also, during a winning streak, make sure you wear exactly the same clothes (including underwear) and sit in the same place every week. Otherwise you are the reason for the loss

Curses don’t exist

Superstition does

(Says the guy with 2 black cats)
 
Conn said:
And who cares? Answer the direct question, do you actually believe in some ephemeral curse, when garden variety greed, incompetence, and earned failure were in front of our faces for 20 years?

It sounds like you should have made a voodoo doll of Dan Snyder years ago and gotten to work
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This reminds me of the time my wife was asked me, “do you feel that?”

And I said no.

She pushed a needle further into a voodoo doll and then asked asked, “ok, how about now?”

:p
 
Mismanagement + idiocy and total 100% incompetence doesn't ever = a curse.

Doofus Dan was just that bad on a consistent basis for an entire 25 years.

That is actually kind of impressive.
 
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