Fire....Jim....Haslett! Because he SUCKS!!!

I'd love to see it Ryman. But I think Shanahan has a hard time reversing a Shanahan decision.

Having more time to prepare for it, instead of one ****ing day, I think we'll be able to do a bit more in free agency next year.

It's a cold fact, but Davis Achilles saves us a few million next year. Or, at least it should. And I'm sure Allen has already been putting together a plan of releases, and restructures, to increase our ability to get some more FA's. And, we save a few bucks not having to pay another 1st rounder.
 
I'm not sold on our WR corps, and eventually we'll have to find Moss' successor if Garcon or one of the youngsters doesn't develop, but we can win with the WRs we have. I'd put much more focus on The defensive backs and O-line personally, especially in the draft where we will be down picks the next 2 years.

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i would agree TR1 if the shannys would keep their noses out of the defence they wouldnt be the problem, the problem is that shanny refuses to acknowledge his mistakes until they are so glaring they are unavoidable. we need a DC who is allowed to be a DC
 
Rymanofthenorth said:
Ive been saying this all along, but a large part of the blame goes to shanny who handpicked haslett because he was willing to just run what shanny wanted which was a 3-4 scheme, Kev is right though, its not about alignment, we needed aggression and you can get that from any alignment by tweaking your scheme.

what I think we should do is bring in the best available DC next season, and tell him RUN WHAT YOU THINK WILL HELP US WIN. dont care what alignment, and we will give you any free agents you think will help. but our draft has to go for Oline and probably WR
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I actually think the best course of action is to remove Haslett at season's end and interview several candidates of all different defensive backgrounds.

LeBeau style guys: Lou Spanos, Darren Perry, Keith Butler, John Mitchell.

Capers/LeBeau guy: Kevin Greene

Fairbanks-Bullough System guys: Romeo Crennel (if fired).

4-3 guys should be considered as well. Bring in a bit of everything you can for interviews and have them sell YOU on what they can do. You may go in thinking, "hey, I think a LeBeau 3-4 guy is our best bet with our current personnel and direction, but I want to interview a little bit of everything. Let's see what a 4-3 under coordinator offers. Let's see what a Tampa 2 guy says. Let's see what a Fairbanks guy says, a Bum Phillips guy, LeBeau guys, etc."
 
I've tried to stay away from being overly critical of Jim Haslett, because I don't know enough to know who has how much fault.

Shanahan said they called a double on Cruz - the secondary just didn't cover him somehow. I'm not sure how much that's player execution vs coaching - maybe that hints to bigger problems monday-friday, I don't know.

He's quickly becoming indefensible though... if this was 2-3 years from now, when we were expecting a real shot at a successful season with Griffin no longer being a rookie, I don't see how you don't fire him now and hope you spark a change.

I think Haslett's job is safe solely because we weren't expecting great things this year...
 
tr1 said:
Eh, the issue is on defense.

We haven't had an offense like this since Gibbs I.

Unfortunately, I think we're stuck with the defensive coordinator until January.

I think Shanny was pretty pissed with the defense in his presser after the game...he spent a lot of time biting his tongue.
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I'm not sure the issue is defense as much as it is personnel. In my opinion, Mike the GM is hurting Mike the head coach as well as the entire team. While Haslett clearly deserves blame, too many of the players he's coaching just aren't very good. They've spent 3 years now trying to work this 3-4, almost completely revamping the defensive roster, and I just don't see any improvement. Too many of the players that were brought in aren't sufficient.

As far as the offense, how much of the credit goes to Shanahan, and how much goes to Griffin? In my opinion, Griffin is making his college offense work, and Kyle is just throwing in some wrinkles. Everything offensively runs through him and his ability at misdirection and reading defenses. I don't think the offensive talent is very good really, and Griffin is masking a variety of shortcomings with his outstanding play.
 
haslet calls tha plays ,but morris has tha DB'S they are worse then last year ...morris deserves some of tha blame aswell !
 
tshile said:
I've tried to stay away from being overly critical of Jim Haslett, because I don't know enough to know who has how much fault.

Shanahan said they called a double on Cruz - the secondary just didn't cover him somehow. I'm not sure how much that's player execution vs coaching - maybe that hints to bigger problems monday-friday, I don't know.

He's quickly becoming indefensible though... if this was 2-3 years from now, when we were expecting a real shot at a successful season with Griffin no longer being a rookie, I don't see how you don't fire him now and hope you spark a change.

I think Haslett's job is safe solely because we weren't expecting great things this year...
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I think the main problem here is that while we weren't expecting great things this year, it was mostly because we expected a rookie quarterback to play slightly better than a rookie quarterback. That is to manage a game, make a few decent plays here and there while minimizing risk and error. And that the team would help compensate for the rookie this year while he grew into the position.

The frustration comes from the elite level of play from the rookie Qb while the rest of the team just can't pull it's own weight. The team as a whole should be better than it is, given that it's 3 years into the system.
 
This is the worst secondary in the league. Not much talent back there. A number of guys released or waived from teams that are themselves in need of depth.

The Redskins haven't made the backfield any type of priority.

After Garcon we could have signed a cornerback in FA.

We could have found a #3 CB that wasn't coming off two ACL reconstructions.

We could have taken a corner in Round 3 of the draft instead of the weekly inactive LeRibeus who looks like a spare part.

There were other choices. Did Haslett tell Shanahan he could win with what he had?

We don't know one way or the other.
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Doesn't change the impression that Haslett is totally ineffective coach, who shows no signs of improvement.
 
tr1 said:
How do you know Shanny is involved with the defense?

I don't see Shanny making defensive calls.
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a few things
1- because shanny said he was running a 3-4 before he even selected a DC when he got the job.

2- Shanny has made several comments in the media about what he wanted out our defence and how he was going to run it lol

3- this is more inferred but almost every game where we ran a lot of 40 front looks is followed by a game where we run very few, suggesting that haslett grows some balls and tries to run something he thinks will win, and then gets reminded that Shanny wants a 3-4 look. Its something Ive brought up since the first year when we ran some really unsound 3-4 stuff then ran a lot of 40 fronts against the bears and dominated them, then the very next game ran more unsound 3-4 stuff followed by that joke of a game where we ran that "amoeba" defence that was so unsound that I almost threw up.

Kdawg is right, if we are serious about winning, we will interview several DC's of all sorts of backgrounds, let them sell us on what they would do and select the ones we think will give us the best shot at winning, shanny is an offencive guru and he should stick to that, if he does, the sky is the limit with rg3, if he doesnt? well its gonna be a lot of shootouts
 
KDawg said:
I actually think the best course of action is to remove Haslett at season's end and interview several candidates of all different defensive backgrounds.

LeBeau style guys: Lou Spanos, Darren Perry, Keith Butler, John Mitchell.

Capers/LeBeau guy: Kevin Greene

Fairbanks-Bullough System guys: Romeo Crennel (if fired).

4-3 guys should be considered as well. Bring in a bit of everything you can for interviews and have them sell YOU on what they can do. You may go in thinking, "hey, I think a LeBeau 3-4 guy is our best bet with our current personnel and direction, but I want to interview a little bit of everything. Let's see what a 4-3 under coordinator offers. Let's see what a Tampa 2 guy says. Let's see what a Fairbanks guy says, a Bum Phillips guy, LeBeau guys, etc."
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exactly, the only common denominator should be aggression, anyone we bring in needs to be aggressive in their philosophy. no bend but dont break guys, I want a DC who is pressure oriented
 
Not buying Lanky. Coaches are supposed to have the guys line up and play the way they're told to. Josh was off the line. If you're gonna play tight, being off the line, with the receiver you're assigned to off the line, there's no way to contest the route.

Williams looked like he was thinking about what to order off of the Shopping Network as a wedding gift for a friend. He basically stood flat footed until he noticed Cruz was actually running a route.

Haslett is worthless as a teacher, and a horrible play caller. How can his players feel confident looking at a man who always appears to be having a panic attack. He is the defensive version of Norv Turner.
 
Ax said:
Not buying Lanky. Coaches are supposed to have the guys line up and play the way they're told to. Josh was off the line. If you're gonna play tight, being off the line, with the receiver you're assigned to off the line, there's no way to contest the route.

Williams looked like he was thinking about what to order off of the Shopping Network as a wedding gift for a friend. He basically stood flat footed until he noticed Cruz was actually running a route.

Haslett is worthless as a teacher, and a horrible play caller. How can his players feel confident looking at a man who always appears to be having a panic attack. He is the defensive version of Norv Turner.
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Well, it mentioned that they were playing cover-2, which has a weakness down the middle of the field. So, by lining up further back on Cruz's inside shoulder, its easier for him to funnel him to the outside to the safety help. At least, that's how I see it - I hate the huge cushions as much as anyone, but I think that play required one.

I still think Haslett is trying to make lemonade out of dried, rotten lemons; sometimes there's not enough sugar in the world to make it taste sweet. :)
 
Defense 101: NEVER let a receiver get behind you that late in the game, with that small of a lead. Even if you have to tackle him.

A coach's responsibility it to drill that into their heads so much that it's as natural as breathing.

And, a coach shouldn't have to be surrounded by a team full of pro-bowlers before he can get his job done.

He is a miserable failure. I realize we can't REALLY fire him in the middle of the season, but I have zero confidence the he will EVER get the job done, UNLESS/UNTIL he has a squad full of pro-bowlers. Which can't happen.
 
Ax keep on preachin' it...I'm 100% with ya. The second it's logically feasible they need to can this guy. Time to cut bait and move on to better waters.
 
Right - I hear you on the fact that its a fundamental part of playing defense, especially secondary, ESPECIALLY in that situation - but doesn't that point to the player even moreso than the coach? Haslett shouldn't have to drill that into them at this point in their careers; they are literally the best of the best; that's not what he should have to worry about.

I mean, Williams got caught flat-footed; maybe that's partially coaching, but you can't pin it 100% on Haslett; he can't go out there and cover for him.

I'll go back to previous weeks - he did a great job against dynamic offenses like the Saints and Falcons, and held the Giants to 20 points (until that last blunder). He's getting blood from a turnip, and he isn't the problem. If I were making the decisions (and Shanahan hasn't called me yet :() I would give him one more season with some better personnel in the secondary.
 
Can't help but be curious what the plan is here.

Remember, they gave Haslett an extension this past offseason...

As well as Danny Smith...

Maybe that's the sign - get an extension, be fired soon after.
 
I tell you what Lanky. I have no way to prove it. But I'm convinced that a Ritchie Petitbon would have this same group, injuries and all, in the middle of the pack, defensively, instead of dead...****ing...last.

On his best day, Haslett MIGHT be a decent coach, at best. He never has been, and never will be, great.

Or, very good, for that matter.

But I assure you, while he's still here, I'm hoping with every part of my being, that he proves me wrong.
 
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