F-18 Crashed In Virginia Beach [merge]

[Burgundy Burner]

Not to be a doubting Thomas, but just wondering if the pilot was actually still strapped to the ejection seat. The container that would have survivables and supplies? Just guessing, but not sure.

 

[riggins44]

One of the ejection seats was found is someone's back yard. Pic is on wvec website.

 

[Burgundy Burner]

Just went to that site and saw it. I guess the other one could've been strapped to the pilot, but still have my doubts. That will be known at some point.

Two of the apt. buidlings were totally destroyed and those have not been searched. Major concerns about those structures and if there are casualties there.

 

[Burgundy Burner]

The second ejection seat. This would support the idea that both seats separated from the aircrew.

 

[Fear The Spear]

The plane directly nailed an apartment complex full of senior citizens, and NO fatalities ??
That's nothing short of a miracle.
And 2nd time in a week something like that has happened.
In Florida, a plane crashed into a large, busy supermarket, and no fatalities in the store, OR the plane.

 

[Burgundy Burner]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbFAYm-xXnM[/media]

 

[Nobody]

Pilot ejected at the very last second - still strapped to ejection seat. Jet stalled - tried to get control of it before going down.

This is a blatant lie. I won't argue it, because it does no good, but I witnessed it. They showed a pic of the ejection on the local news, I will scan for it later and post it, it was far from the last second.

I credit VB first responders for arriving an hour before the first member of the Navy showed up. And shame on VB for ignoring for years the Navy's demands to quit encroaching and building in crash zones. When you have two groups of people who blatantly ignore each others concerns, things like this become inevitable.

Also, ignorance on the part of the Navy in the fact that the techniques they were practicing today are normally done at Fentress, away from the populated areas. They are curently repaving Fentress, so rather than move the exercises to a less populated area, they decide to do it over half a million people? Brilliant.

 

[Burgundy Burner]

This is a blatant lie. I won't argue it, because it does no good, but I witnessed it. They showed a pic of the ejection on the local news, I will scan for it later and post it, it was far from the last second.

I just watched the deputy commander of Naval Fighter/Strike Wing Atlantic. He would dispute your account. Witnesses on the ground - same thing.

 

[Nobody]

I just watched the deputy commander of Naval Fighter/Strike Wing Atlantic. He would dispute your account. Witnesses on the ground - same thing.

Oh, that has to be true then, because the government and military are so honest and always take responsibility for their mistakes

Also, those "witnesses" were people who arrived very late to the scene. You forget, I was right there. WVEC and WTKR were both interviewing people who came running out from around the Sandler center and convention center area to see what all the smoke was from. Several people were right there as actual witnesses, and not one was interviewed, except for the woman who was on her way to visit her father. oddly enough, she saw the crash, then the pilot appearing nearly 15 minutes later walking toward the crash. What you see on tv is not as real as you're lead to believe.

 

[Burgundy Burner]

No, I am watching witnesses who were right there and moved the pilot from the immediate scene and would've been burned if not rescued.

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All but one person has been released from the hospital - one of the aircrew.

The aircraft suffered a catastrophic failure and that supports the earlier speculation - the craft was in trouble immediately after becoming airborne. He was trying for the ocean (one mile away) and never had a chance. He tried to gain any semblance of air speed and it continued a nose-up stall - it had no chance.

 

[Nobody]

BB, after the interview that just aired live with Capt. Mark Weisgerber, who is the Deputy Commander at NAS Oceana, it makes me wonder what information you base your assessment on. His exact words, in the interview that is still currently live as I type this, he was asked if the pilot had done a fuel dump, as many have speculated. His response was, "No he did not. There was a catastrophic mechanical malfunction, which the recorders and our investigation will more accurately detail, that allowed no time to dump fuel, as was earlier speculated." The second question they asked was whether they knew if the pilot had tried to steer toward the ocean, as many in the Navy claimed they are trained to do. His response? "After speaking with several witnesses and the pilot in question, we have been informed that there was no time for such a maneuver, and that as soon as the alarms began to sound, the pilot and his navigator went through immediate action to eject from the aircraft."

In so many words, he said **** hit the fan, and the pilot and co-pilot immediately got the hell outta dodge. Contradicts just about everything you've stated. And I promise you as soon as this interview is linked on WTKR or WVEC, since both crews were on site, I will link it hear so you don't think I'm talking out of my ass. Since you apparently think you know more about what's going on from NJ than I do from watching it happen.

 

[Burgundy Burner]

Firefighter Steve Cover (went to church with him - father was a VB policeman [RIP] - known the family for more than forty-five years) confirms that there are no fatalities. That is great news - a miracle.

 

[Nobody]

No, I am watching witnesses who were right there and moved the pilot from the immediate scene and would've been burned if not rescued.

The pilot's parachute is hung up on my buddy's fence, want me to post the pic? He lives about 1/8 to 1/4 of a mile from the crash site. Do you mean to tell me the pilot separated from his chute and landed in the flames? laughable.

All but one person has been released from the hospital - one of the aircrew.

The aircraft suffered a catastrophic failure and that supports the earlier speculation - the craft was in trouble immediately after becoming airborne. He was trying for the ocean (one mile away) and never had a chance. He tried to gain any semblance of air speed and it continued a nose-up stall - it had no chance.

The reason there haven't been more casualties reported yet, is because they haven't entered the apartments themselves yet. Very ominous reports came out that after the crash, nobody came out of the apartments. I doubt they were all empty. This is just the beginning.

Oh, and as I posted above, the latest interview with the Deputy Commander clearly states that they made zero attempt to get to the ocean. Zero. They had no time, and reacted immediately before thinking about their training. Not a knock on them, I don't see how anyone could think in that situation, but they didn't make this heroic effort to flee the populous as you are trying to claim. Oh, and the fact the jet was parallel to the coast kinda made that an easy one for the Navy to figure out, and the pilot confirmed it.

And if there end up being no fatalities, it is amazing, and incredibly insane given what has gone on. I hope it turns out to be true.

 

[Burgundy Burner]

You hear things that you want to hear - weird. "Navigator"? Really? Seriously? Deputy commander at Oceana? Are you even listening at all? Seriously Ex, don't become the editor for this story to make it fit your template(s). Just stop now before Navy personnel (active duty and retired) come in here and blow you out of the water.

 

[Boone]

I think you should pipe down until more facts come out. You saw what you saw - but your interpretation of what you saw (you know, not being in the cockpit) may be absolutely wrong. I can't stand the 'blame game' when something bad happens. Why not wait until the entire story and the facts are known before you throw guys who put their lives on the line every day under the bus?

 

[Boone]

Btw - this isn't the PA forum. If you want to discuss the event, fine. But we're not going to have rabble-rousing going on in this forum.

 

[Burgundy Burner]

My heart goes out to that guy who lost everything and said he had no renter's insurance. Just glad that his family is ok, but his emotional reactions are understandable.

One pet is missing - a cat. Hope it was able to flee and is hiding nearby.

 

[Nobody]

I understand and agree Boone. I just don't take too kindly to some guy 5 hours away telling me I don't know what I saw - the crash and the interview. I will just wait until the video is posted, then link it here. Not that proof will ever stop a good debate

Edit: BB, do me a favor please and watch this live feed for a while. It's from WTKR, and the interview has not been linked yet, but they keep replaying the interview and telephone calls with authorities and Naval officers confirming every single thing I have stated in here......http://www.wtkr.com/videogallery/69250304/live/LIVE-VIDEO-f-18-crash-in-Virginia-Beach-VA

 

[Burgundy Burner]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57410559/navy-jet-crashes-into-virginia-beach-apartment/

"Residents of the apartment complex described a confusing scene and an apologetic pilot.

Pat Kavanaugh, a retired member of the Virginia Beach rescue team, says that one of the pilots landed on his back porch. He told CBS affiliate WKTR that he helped get the pilot to safety (See interview at left).

"He apologized very much for hitting our complex," said Kavanaugh, who added the pilot was in shock and had lacerations on his face.

Colby Smith said his house started shaking and then the power went out, as he saw a red and orange blaze outside his window. He ran outside, where he saw billowing black smoke and then came upon the pilot as he ran to a friend's home.

"I saw the parachute on the house and he was still connected to it, and he was laying on the ground with his face full of blood," Smith told WVEC-TV.

A multicolored parachute could be seen hanging from the roof of an apartment closest to the crash center."

Much more at the above link.

 

[Nobody]

I was right about dumping the fuel. Hell of a move to think to do that while staring death in the eye.
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The latest report is saying they do not believe the fuel dump was intentional, and in fact might have been part of the catastrophic failure they were referencing.