Everything is different only the face remains the same

[BayouBrave86]

Remember how lifeless and dead this team was for a major stretch of the season? That falls on Quinn.

 

[Faithful Fan]

Haven’t seen this anywhere on here yet. Ugh.

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Wow. New regime, same dysfunction.

 

[Riggo44]

I don’t remember a single report that Dallas wanted to promote Whitt themselves. They blocked us from stealing Al Harris, is that what you’re thinking of Neophyte?

My BIL is a big Cowboys fan, he wasn't happy about losing Whitt at the time. He was well regarded.

 

[Conn]

My BIL is a big Cowboys fan, he wasn't happy about losing Whitt at the time. He was well regarded.

I don’t doubt he was well-regarded, people didn’t think it was a ridiculous hire by us at the time. I said I didn’t see any reports that Dallas tried to promote him from within to keep him, that’s what the other poster said

 

[Riggo44]

Haven’t seen this anywhere on here yet. Ugh.

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This is the opposite of what Keim reported. When in question, always believe Keim.

 

[Conn]

Haven’t seen this anywhere on here yet. Ugh.

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This reads like national reporter bullshit. Not in an “I’m a homer in denial” way either. None of AP’s guys got the playing time this is arguing he was demanding lol. Which means he didn’t fucking demand it, or Quinn would be gone. If the GM who holds your life in his hands is allegedly making demands, and you don’t give in to those demands…and you’re still employed…that means the GM wasn’t crossing the line and making those demands.

That plus the obvious impossibility that this could be true while local beat writers’ reports (on Quinn’s meeting with Kliff not going well) are also true…means I pick the local guys. National reporters have been out of the loop on this franchise from the moment Snyder sold, but our drama still brings clicks.

This is making me wonder if Kliff’s people are actually burning the bridge behind him and talking tons of shit to make him look better as he tries to solicit HC interviews, though. Is he doing us dirty?

 

[Chris]

My BIL is a big Cowboys fan, he wasn't happy about losing Whitt at the time. He was well regarded.

I know I’m not the only one who was a bit fired up by Whitt’s introductory press conference. I wanted that guy, not the guy he ultimately turned out to be.

 

[Faithful Fan]

This reads like national reporter bullshit. Not in an “I’m a homer in denial” way either. None of AP’s guys got the playing time this is arguing he was demanding lol. Which means he didn’t fucking demand it, or Quinn would be gone. If the GM who holds your life in his hands is allegedly making demands, and you don’t give in to those demands…and you’re still employed…that means the GM wasn’t crossing the line and making those demands.

That plus the obvious impossibility that this could be true while local beat writers’ reports (on Quinn’s meeting with Kliff not going well) are also true…means I pick the local guys. National reporters have been out of the loop on this franchise from the moment Snyder sold, but our drama still brings clicks.

This is making me wonder if Kliff’s people are actually burning the bridge behind him and talking tons of shit to make him look better as he tries to solicit HC interviews, though. Is he doing us dirty?

I don’t know. Wasn’t there a thing where DQ said Jayden could play and then contradicted himself the next day by ruling him out for the season? Doesn’t that suggest somebody overruling him on personnel decisions? And is it really so hard to imagine coach and GM butting heads on whether to play old vets or rookie prospects?

And then we have the firing of both coordinators, even with star players going on record in support, and knowing DQ’s loyalty to his troops. It sure looks like a lot of turmoil and dysfunction.

I’m amazed people still doubt we have such problems after this horrible 5-12 season and major upheaval to the staff. Clearly things are not going well with this team.

 

[Conn]

I don’t know. Wasn’t there a thing where DQ said Jayden could play and then contradicted himself the next day by ruling him out for the season? Doesn’t that suggest somebody overruling him on personnel decisions? And is it really so hard to imagine coach and GM butting heads on whether to play old vets or rookie prospects? I’m amazed people still doubt we have such problems after this horrible season and the firing of both coordinators. Clearly things are not going well with this team.

I attributed that at the time to Daniels’ adrenaline, I’m sure he could have gone back in that game before the shots wore off and they did more imaging or whatever. That situation never even registered as a controversy to me because it felt so stupid, it happens all the time.

If AP wanted his guys playing and was willing to interfere, they would have been playing. Right? He is the ultimate decision-maker in that building. You can’t say “no” to the guy at the top of the org who has firing power, so I don’t see how the story can be true given those young players (as many fans will tell you) did not get the playing time that the story alleges he demanded. So…how could it possibly be true? AP is both a meddling tyrant and he’s cool being told no by his coaches? Doesn’t really track. The HC makes those decisions on gameday and he still has a job.

 

[Riggo44]

That plus the obvious impossibility that this could be true while local beat writers’ reports (on Quinn’s meeting with Kliff not going well) are also true…means I pick the local guys. National reporters have been out of the loop on this franchise from the moment Snyder sold, but our drama still brings clicks.

I cannot recall a single time Keim's reports were proven wrong by national media.

 

[Faithful Fan]

I attributed that at the time to Daniels’ adrenaline, I’m sure he could have gone back in that game before the shots wore off and they did more imaging or whatever. That situation never even registered as a controversy to me because it felt so stupid, it happens all the time.

If AP wanted his guys playing and was willing to interfere, they would have been playing. Right? He is the ultimate decision-maker in that building. You can’t say “no” to the guy at the top of the org who has firing power, so I don’t see how the story can be true given those young players (as many fans will tell you) did not get the playing time that the story alleges he demanded. So…how could it possibly be true? AP is both a meddling tyrant and he’s cool being told no by his coaches? Doesn’t really track. The HC makes those decisions on gameday and he still has a job.

I don’t think it’s as simple as AP tells DQ what to do, but I can certainly see there being friction between them.

It’s funny to me this strikes some of you as so far-fetched. Both of DQ’s coordinators just got fired. In the Kliff thread, I saw a poster say this was “obviously orchestrated by Harris and company.” Now I wouldn’t put it that way, but the idea that there is tension between the front office and coaching staff is plausible enough

 

[Conn]

I don’t think it’s as simple as AP tells DQ what to do, but I can certainly see there being friction between them.

It’s funny to me this strikes some of you as so far-fetched. Both of DQ’s coordinators just got fired. In the Kliff thread, I saw a poster say this was “obviously orchestrated by Harris and company.” Now I wouldn’t put it that way, but the idea that there is tension between the front office and coaching staff is plausible enough

I didn’t say the idea of tension or disagreement was far-fetched, it obvious isn’t, as a concept. We lost 4-straight games by 21+ points during a 9 game losing streak that could’ve easily been 12, you don’t think Peters had some opinions about how the coordinators were coaching the team? Of course that building was tense. That’s not what I’m talking about:

I said the report that states Peters was interfering because he wanted to dictate playing time for his draft picks is obviously false because those players did not play, and the coach who made that decision is still employed. So where’s the meddling then? It makes no sense.

And Keim directly contradicts Schultz’ report about Quinn wanting to keep his coordinators. Keim is king.

Not to mention the very idea that Quinn would think he could keep the DC he took playcalling duties from 6 weeks ago is idiotic. The whole thing doesn’t pass the sniff test and Schultz doesn’t break exclusive reports often at all.

 

[Riggo44]

I don’t think it’s as simple as AP tells DQ what to do, but I can certainly see there being friction between them.

It’s funny to me this strikes some of you as so far-fetched. Both of DQ’s coordinators just got fired. In the Kliff thread, I saw a poster say this was “obviously orchestrated by Harris and company.” Now I wouldn’t put it that way, but the idea that there is tension between the front office and coaching staff is plausible enough

When John Keim says something like "the rift was strictly between Quinn and Kingsbury" I tend to put a lot of faith in that. Especially over someone who literally picked a fight with Ian Rappoport in a Starbucks: https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profo...-ian-rapoport-at-a-starbucks-in-indianapolis#

You're free to believe whatever you like, but given you extensive posting and referencing Snyders ownership, it sure seems like you want the drama and dysfunction.

 

[Boone]

I cannot recall a single time Keim's reports were proven wrong by national media.

That’s partly because he is so averse to speculate. He doesn’t report anything that isn’t pretty much confirmed. Not a knock on him, but that’s just how he conducts his business.

 

[Riggo44]

That’s partly because he is so averse to speculate. He doesn’t report anything that isn’t pretty much confirmed. Not a knock on him, but that’s just how he conducts his business.

Precisely why when he says something definitively like he did, I believe that over a National reporter with a questionable history.

 

[Conn]

That’s partly because he is so averse to speculate. He doesn’t report anything that isn’t pretty much confirmed. Not a knock on him, but that’s just how he conducts his business.

Correct. So in this case, when he says Quinn had a disconnect with Kliff and wanted him gone, that’s gospel to me. So Schultz saying Quinn did not want to fire his coordinators has to be false (and the Whitt part makes no sense anyways). Especially since that was obviously new information Keim had, given he wasn’t thinking Kliff was leaving two days earlier.

 

[RexTomb]

Precisely why when he says something definitively like he did, I believe that over a National reporter with a questionable history.

Jordan Schultz is desperately trying to make a name for himself as the next Diana Russini or something. He's throwing anything he hears up on the twitterverse in hopes that he is the first person to break a story.

 

[Chris]

Jordan Schultz is desperately trying to make a name for himself as the next Diana Russini or something. He's throwing anything he hears up on the twitterverse in hopes that he is the first person to break a story.

Then he’s gonna need some implants.

 

[Faithful Fan]

When John Keim says something like "the rift was strictly between Quinn and Kingsbury" I tend to put a lot of faith in that.

I like and trust Keim’s reporting, so I was curious what you meant and dug through his recent tweets.

You’re right that he said firing KK was DQ’s call. He quotes AP as saying “the coaching staff is DQ’s” and DQ calling his relationship with AP “collaborative.” He also says there was a “fundamental difference between playcaller and coach” in regards to the running game.

But that doesn’t contradict the whole of Schultz’s reporting that a source told him “There’s a lot of shit going on there.” Even discussing KK, Keim talks about players being frustrated with the departure of a coach they liked, describes how this represents a change from DQ’s previously stated plans, describes the move as “risky,” and refers to this as DQ’s “last chance.”

Also, I didn’t see anything to contradict the idea the front office is “meddling with the coaching staff on personnel,” but maybe I missed it.

So sure, firing KK was DQ’s call, but that doesn’t exactly prove there is no turmoil or dysfunction.

Especially over someone who literally picked a fight with Ian Rappoport in a Starbucks: https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profo...-ian-rapoport-at-a-starbucks-in-indianapolis#

Wow, that’s wild. I had no idea.

It’s an ad hominem argument though. The fact the reporter “verbally accosted” somebody doesn’t prove his report is wrong.

You're free to believe whatever you like, but given you extensive posting and referencing Snyders ownership, it sure seems like you want the drama and dysfunction.

You misunderstand me then. Why should my refusal to pretend things are good be taken to mean I want things to be bad? I complain about the losing and dysfunction because I’m tired of it. Obviously I want Washington to be a successful winning franchise again. Frankly I’m perplexed that your reading of me is so uncharitable that this isn’t obvious to you.

 

[Riggo44]

You misunderstand me then. Why should my refusal to pretend things are good be taken to mean I want things to be bad? I complain about the losing and dysfunction because I’m tired of it. Obviously I want Washington to be a successful winning franchise again. Frankly I’m perplexed that your reading of me is so uncharitable that this isn’t obvious to you

Simply because you are so ready to jump at "same dysfunction" with seemingly every post you make. No one thinks things are fine. You're the only one I see ready to panic and think nothing has changed