Commanders Trade Deadline Thread

[skinsfan4128]

Allegretti is the backup center. He isn't going anywhere. No one is giving up a 3rd round pick for him. If he were moved it would be one of those Allegretti + a 7th for a 6th type of trades.

Hence why i said a 3rd day pick. Lol. You're right though, nobody is giving up a 3rd rd pick for him. Again, someone would need to go to make room for Cosmi so Allegretti makes the most sense.

HTTR!

 

[method man]

Hence why i said a 3rd day pick. Lol. You're right though, nobody is giving up a 3rd rd pick for him. Again, someone would need to go to make room for Cosmi so Allegretti makes the most sense.

HTTR!

I saw "3rd say pick" - I should've read that as "3rd day pick" vs "3rd rd pick"

Good point on needing to make room for Cosmi. I can totally see them carrying an extra lineman. This is the deepest line I ever remember us having in my 27 years as a fan. Having a guy like Coleman as your deactivated guy and Fant as your 4th or 5th tackle is kinda crazy

 

[Always Commander Never Captain]

No to giving up any draft picks for Chase Young.

Kick the tires on him as a free agent if he comes super cheap? Maybe... but even then I don't think so.

I would not sign Chase Young for vet min either. He's not good in the lockerroom, he gives up on plays on the field, he doesn't follow his assignments, he's always hurt, and he simply doesn't have the talent to make up for it.

This is his 6th season (he's hurt...again), and he's got only 22 sacks in his career. He was drafted in 2020. There are 7 players in the 2021 draft with more sacks than him. There are 5 players in the 2022 draft with more sacks than him. If it wasn't for him being a former #2 overall pick, he'd get little playing time and I'm not sure he would even be at 10 sacks in his career. He is a negative on the field.

 

[skinsmarydu]

I would not sign Chase Young for vet min either. He's not good in the lockerroom, he gives up on plays on the field, he doesn't follow his assignments, he's always hurt, and he simply doesn't have the talent to make up for it.

This is his 6th season (he's hurt...again), and he's got only 22 sacks in his career. He was drafted in 2020. There are 7 players in the 2021 draft with more sacks than him. There are 5 players in the 2022 draft with more sacks than him. If it wasn't for him being a former #2 overall pick, he'd get little playing time and I'm not sure he would even be at 10 sacks in his career. He is a negative on the field.

I was soooooooooo pissed at that pick. I have friends who disagree, but I stand by my opinion.
We could've had Herbert (I know, who we just beat,...but still...) We wouldn't have gone through 2-3 other QBs. *And you have to admit, Herbert does give 100%, can pass, can run...I honestly believe we missed a shot there.*

Young was a complete waste of a #2 pick.

 

[DWinzit]

I could see AP trying to take advantage of teams selling off assets. I don't see him giving up more 2026 draft picks. Perhaps trading a late 2027 draft pick or swapping a draft pick allowing the other team to move up one round this year, but they are the only options I see.

 

[Always Commander Never Captain]

I liked it at the time. I thought Herbert was flawed...but then he fixed his biggest flaw in the offseason between college and pros. Seriously, turn on his college tape and it looked different than his rookie year tape. He got really inaccurate at times in college. He struggled against the blitz as he'd lean back onto his back foot and sail it over guys heads, or he'd try to sidestep and throw a little off platform and it'd miss wide. Then suddenly he came into his rookie year in the NFL and all of that got cleaned up. Why wasn't it cleaned up in college? No idea. But it's absolutely wild the light bulb went on for him when it did.

I mean he was the 3rd QB taken and at 6th overall because enough other NFL teams had questions about him too. If given offers, wouldn't Detroit have traded back from #3? Instead they also took a bust in a corner that while athletic had just average speed. Then Miami took the seriously injured Tua (bad hip injury) over Herbert. None of that happens if there weren't aspects of Herbert's game teams were concerned about.

 

[skinsmarydu]

I liked it at the time. I thought Herbert was flawed...but then he fixed his biggest flaw in the offseason between college and pros. Seriously, turn on his college tape and it looked different than his rookie year tape. He got really inaccurate at times in college. He struggled against the blitz as he'd lean back onto his back foot and sail it over guys heads, or he'd try to sidestep and throw a little off platform and it'd miss wide. Then suddenly he came into his rookie year in the NFL and all of that got cleaned up. Why wasn't it cleaned up in college? No idea. But it's absolutely wild the light bulb went on for him when it did.

I see that point, and looking back on it, we didn't have the coaching to have gotten him to that threshold that rookie season...but I'm sure we coulda made a better pick than Young.
I know, we all wanted an edge rusher who could get to the opposing QB reliably. But we didn't get one.

 

[commva2]

Another trade:

 

[Conn]

I was soooooooooo pissed at that pick. I have friends who disagree, but I stand by my opinion.
We could've had Herbert (I know, who we just beat,...but still...) We wouldn't have gone through 2-3 other QBs. *And you have to admit, Herbert does give 100%, can pass, can run...I honestly believe we missed a shot there.*

Young was a complete waste of a #2 pick.

Think of it this way—if we got Herbert there instead of Young, even though Herbert wouldn’t have ever hit his full potential, Snyder NEVER would have sold. We needed those last few draft busts to really lower the fan enthusiasm, sponsor enthusiasm, media opinion, and general depression of the Snyder clan fumbling away the profitability of their ownership. We’re in a better place now than we ever could have been

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

Hence why i said a 3rd day pick. Lol. You're right though, nobody is giving up a 3rd rd pick for him. Again, someone would need to go to make room for Cosmi so Allegretti makes the most sense.

HTTR!

No he doesn't. Allegretti is worth his weight in gold as an OL player who can play multiple spots competently. You don't discard those players, you hoard them.

I agree somebody is going to have to go, but it won't be an OL player. It will be somebody from another position group. It could actually be Josh Johnson now that we know Mariota is healthy. They can sign Johnson back to the PS.

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

Think of it this way—if we got Herbert there instead of Young, even though Herbert wouldn’t have ever hit his full potential, Snyder NEVER would have sold. We needed those last few draft busts to really lower the fan enthusiasm, sponsor enthusiasm, media opinion, and general depression of the Snyder clan fumbling away the profitability of their ownership. We’re in a better place now than we ever could have been

Eh. This is for another thread. Snyder was essentially stealing from the other NFL owners. That's what did him in more than anything else. They'll let Satan into the club as long as Satan doesn't cost them money.

I think if they had gotten Herbert, Ron would have found a way to ruin him, and there is no way Ron/Scott Turner could have developed Herbert into what he is today.

Snyder was destined to sell the team when it came out the funny business he had gotten into with the financials both with his partners and the league.

 

[commva2]

I don't know where we'll go with trades but here is a good website for trade candidates, with salaries & dead cap information through the deadline.

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www.spotrac.com

 

[skinsfan4128]

No he doesn't. Allegretti is worth his weight in gold as an OL player who can play multiple spots competently. You don't discard those players, you hoard them.

I agree somebody is going to have to go, but it won't be an OL player. It will be somebody from another position group. It could actually be Josh Johnson now that we know Mariota is healthy. They can sign Johnson back to the PS.

Got to disagree with you here, VOR. You say he can "play multiple positions competently", but he was moved off LG this off-season after having an average season at the position.

Then, 2 games into this season he was replaced by Wylie at RG (who, by the way, has stabilized the RG position). Have to say that's not my idea of competent.

Sure, he can play multiple positions along the OL. But it's more of a jack of all trades, master of none scenario. Wylie can do the same and, at least as far as the coaching staff, has done a better job than Allegretti.

Luckily, we have some decent depth along rhe OL that can allow us to move him for a possible pick (albeit a late rd pick). But I certainly don't think Allegretti is untouchable because he can play multiple positions. Really, in my opinion, he's been somewhat of a disappointment.

HTTR!

 

[method man]

Got to disagree with you here, VOR. You say he can "play multiple positions competently", but he was moved off LG this off-season after having an average season at the position.

Then, 2 games into this season he was replaced by Wylie at RG (who, by the way, has stabilized the RG position). Have to say that's not my idea of competent.

Sure, he can play multiple positions along the OL. But it's more of a jack of all trades, master of none scenario. Wylie can do the same and, at least as far as the coaching staff, has done a better job than Allegretti.

Luckily, we have some decent depth along rhe OL that can allow us to move him for a possible pick (albeit a late rd pick). But I certainly don't think Allegretti is untouchable because he can play multiple positions. Really, in my opinion, he's been somewhat of a disappointment.

HTTR!

I think there is an “in season” vs “offseason” nuance. In season, he is untouchable because he’s a proven rotational backup in this league. In the offseason, he’s a Wes Schweitzer type who is easy to add to the roster

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

Got to disagree with you here, VOR. You say he can "play multiple positions competently", but he was moved off LG this off-season after having an average season at the position.

Then, 2 games into this season he was replaced by Wylie at RG (who, by the way, has stabilized the RG position). Have to say that's not my idea of competent.

Sure, he can play multiple positions along the OL. But it's more of a jack of all trades, master of none scenario. Wylie can do the same and, at least as far as the coaching staff, has done a better job than Allegretti.

Luckily, we have some decent depth along rhe OL that can allow us to move him for a possible pick (albeit a late rd pick). But I certainly don't think Allegretti is untouchable because he can play multiple positions. Really, in my opinion, he's been somewhat of a disappointment.

HTTR!

For a team that has real post-season aspirations, you need 2 backup OL who can play and start. Allegretti can do that. He's also currently the backup center. And I've never heard of Wylie playing center.

Somewhere along the way, 2 backup OL are going to have to play. While Coleman is in the doghouse, the only two who can play are Wylie and Allegretti. If Coleman makes his way back to the farm house from the dog house, maybe there is a different conversation to be had. But there is no evidence of that yet.

My guess is something happens with him in the off-season. His cap number jumps from ~$3m to ~$7m for next year, with only $3m of dead cap space. So, if they like him as a backup, they might extend him and lower the cap number, or release him.

I doubt there is a trade market for him. But he will sign with somebody, as he's valuable as a backup.

 

[method man]

AP really needs to go find us a competent EDGE than can get pass rush opposite Armstrong. The issue is a lot of teams with better trade assets need the same thing.

I’d be targeting a rental like a Joseph Ossai for a 6th or 7th

 

[COWBOY-KILLA]

Hell No.... SELL SELL SELL... Get what you can for what you have and dont plan on keeping. I'm not trading any more draft capital for anything.

 

[method man]

Hell No.... SELL SELL SELL... Get what you can for what you have and dont plan on keeping. I'm not trading any more draft capital for anything.

I’m not saying trade a premium pick but I’m trading a 6th or 7th for a rental all day if we can go 1-2 before the deadline

 

[COWBOY-KILLA]

I’m not saying trade a premium pick but I’m trading a 6th or 7th for a rental all day if we can go 1-2 before the deadline

im sorrry wasnt directed at you at all. was just shouting into the ether that I'd try and keep all our picks and add to them if we could by trading away any asset we dont see in our future.

 

[DWinzit]

I am concerned that after last night AP makes a trade in hopes of patching this team for the remainder of the year.

We need to be smart in making decisions that improve this team for more than just the next few weeks. I we are giving up assets that we are already short on, it needs to better the team in the future.

The offense will be getting injured players back. The defense looks a mess right now and where they would need to focus on adding a player or 3. I am certain part of that is on the coaches schemes, game planning/prep and ability to adjust.