Burner’s Burning Questions – The Mock Draft (Continual Updates)

While I'd be surprised if we went D-Line in round 2, a couple of guys who could possibly fall to #51 that could provide value are Kawann Short, the DT from Purdue who would likely be a 3-4 DE. There's also a couple NT's, Johnathan Hankins from Ohio St and Jonathan Jenkins from Georgia.

If you think DE/OLB types, there is Texas A&M's Damontre Moore who was once considered a first rounder and Alex Okafor from Texas. Again, I'd be surprised if we didn't address the secondary in the 2nd round but we all know how Mike seems to play things close to the vest so the #51 pick could be OL, DL, TE or WR for all we know. I just know it WON'T be a QB. ;)

Is there a lack of 3-4 played at the college level? May sound like a silly question but I honestly don't watch college football.

Why does it seem like every DE winds up a OLB and DT winds up a DE in the 3-4? It just feels like our options are constantly to pick someone in free agency, or convert some college player from whatever position he always played to this one...
 
College is strange - you have teams like LSU with dominant defenses that essentially play a 4-2-5, 3-3-5 and even 4-1-6 most of the time, relying on the speed and strength of their DL to make plays. Then you have teams like TCU with a dominant defense that play a fairly standard, almost vanilla 4-3. I can't think of any 3-4 teams in NCAA off the top of my head, but I'm sure they're out there. Its a lot easier to build a 4-3 D, and its a lot simpler.
 
Gotcha. I just couldn't figure out if it was ineptitude issue (square peg/round hole) that we were constantly repeating or what.

So, for all the supposed glamour of the 3-4 - easily drafting lineman is not one of them ;)

We really need a pass rusher on the D line. I know everyone likes carriker but I have my doubts he'll be what we need.
 
IIRC, Georgia played some 3-4 packages on defense and in situations where Jonathan Jenkins or Kwame Geathers lined up as NT directly over the center.

Jenkins, in particular, looked good during Senior Bowl week and could not be contained without the center having help. The guys seems to get a good push up the middle on a consistant basis and eats up blockers.

While I doubt we'd draft him, it would certainly allow Cofield to play more at DE where he could be more effective rushing the QB. If our FO thinks putting more pressure on the opposing QB is a priority to help a weak secondary and wants to grab a guy like him at #51, I'm all for it.
 
I'd be down with a behemoth NT that is umpossible to move going early 3rd or 4th.

It just makes too much sense for us to grab a safety or corner with that 2nd rounder tho. I'm never gonna see that RT drafted early so next best thing is fix the secondary imo.
 
I'd be down with a behemoth NT that is umpossible to move going early 3rd or 4th.

It just makes too much sense for us to grab a safety or corner with that 2nd rounder tho. I'm never gonna see that RT drafted early so next best thing is fix the secondary imo.


While I agree the most glaring weakness on our team is our secondary, a potent push up the middle, pushing the QB to either side with Rak on one side and Kerrigan on the other is going to hide the weakness in the secondary. If their is a true NT available at 51 who really can make a difference, I wouldn't be opposed.
 
Yeah I'll def leave the scouting up to you guys on who's good and who's not. But hell yeah if there's a NT that could lock that spot up for years, causing bedlam & mayhem then that would be a well spent 2nd rdr. Someone the size of the Great Khali would work nice.

Again I want a RT in the 2nd or 3rd but since Shan don't play dat (Homey the clown reference) may as well shore up every tier of the D with FS/CB, ILB or NT. Not necessarily in that order either.
 
I think hogs haven has been peaking at BB's mocks!

http://www.hogshaven.com/2013/4/23/4256076/redskins-final-mock-draft
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That's a rather nice mock although I like BB's a little better. I like the "Option 2" for each round and I love the mention of Stony Brook Safety Dominick Reyes. He looks good on tape and could be a late round steal.

I was initially against waiting until the later rounds to grab a Safety but now I'm thinking 4th or 5th round would be OK while possibly sneaking in a guy like Reyes or Ray Ray Armstrong in the 7th.
 
I'd love a defensive-minded draft. And it would certainly make sense, especially in the secondary, with the recent hiring of Smith.

On the other hand, if Garcon can't go 16 who do we really have?

Santana and ??? Morgan? Hankerson?

I just don't see Shanny gambling like that. The more passing options we have, the less RG3 has to run--and the more effective his runs will be.

I'm feeling a WR early.
 
Evan Silva's prediction:

51. Redskins -- Arkansas-Pine Bluff OT Terron Armstead

Armstead is an athletic zone-blocking prototype. He'd play right tackle in D.C.
 
I'd love a defensive-minded draft. And it would certainly make sense, especially in the secondary, with the recent hiring of Smith.

On the other hand, if Garcon can't go 16 who do we really have?

Santana and ??? Morgan? Hankerson?

I just don't see Shanny gambling like that. The more passing options we have, the less RG3 has to run--and the more effective his runs will be.

I'm feeling a WR early.

not sure it'll be WR but I agre some folks will be surprised by the percentage of offensive oriented picks. The obvious is that they select one secondary player early on. after that...I think you're right: creating more options around Robert is the way to go. some considerations:

- they have stocked up on RTs betting on the law averages that one of the guys will step up; reduced pressure to draft RT

- they have made some quiet signings on d-line and have Rak coming back; make the secondary better by improving the pass rush is part of the strategy - with the Carriker gap being one big question mark; reduced pressure to draft multiple secondary (as some mocks project - I saw one the other day that had the Skins drafting 3 safeties in succession!!)

- if they have an once of common sense, they know that the read option cannot be used as much this season....there is going to have to be more conventional passing (with Shanahan twist on play action) and less read option; Robert will need more tools around him to execute this; incentive to draft offensive skill players

- where's the depth at LT? is there a need to draft/groom a capable back-up or is Compton the answer?

contrarian pov:

- this draft is supposedly deep in DBs. we don't have high picks. incentive to draft a quality DB in second or third round

- Skins, as Lanky has noted, have shifted more to a BPA strategy. in which case....we need to see the board!!!! all bets are off.
 
Evan Silva's prediction:

51. Redskins -- Arkansas-Pine Bluff OT Terron Armstead

Armstead is an athletic zone-blocking prototype. He'd play right tackle in D.C.

He was in my first mock...I think they'll look hard at him if he's there. Can't see the Raiders passing on him though, they love a good workout warrior. :)

For those saying WR early - look for Ryan Swope in the 3rd, maybe even earlier if they trade back from 51.
 
Burner’s Burning Questions – The Mock Draft, Part Thirteen (Continual Updates)

The 2013 NFL Draft is upon us as BBQ continues a series of mock drafts. These mocks have been based on team needs, free agency additions/losses, and injuries. This is the thirteenth mock of the new season. Three more are forthcoming – tomorrow, Friday, and a special Saturday mock for remaining draft picks. Many thanks for your own ideas and mocks – keep them coming until the final choices are made.

Team needs center mostly on the defensive secondary, but depth is needed at several positions too.

Round 2:
With a draft that is deep in talent at many positions, the Redskins trade down to the middle of round three and pick up a fourth rounder and a sixth rounder.

Round 3:
Darius Slay – Cornerback, Mississippi State
The number one need for the Redskins is safety, but it is a deep class and the Redskins choose to fill a need that is “One-A” on the priority list – a CB. Slay was certainly a star at the combine, but he actually has superior skills at the corner position. He could start sooner rather than later. Slay is an underrated prospect who had a solid senior campaign. He has phenomenal speed, good coverage skills, and better than average size.

Round 3:
Philip Thomas – Safety, Fresno State
The Redskins waste no time in upgrading a horrible secondary and in particular, their safety corps. Thomas has a nose for the ball and he is an interception machine.

Round 4:
Nick Kasa – Tight End, Colorado
Kasa is a massive TE with natural ability as a pass catcher. He would be a force on the offensive line, an asset in the running game, and a potent weapon in the passing game.

Round 4:
Montori Hughes – Defensive Tackle, Tennessee-Martin
Hughes comes from a small school, but could have a big impact at the next level. His stats are spectacular and he had a very impressive 2012 campaign.

Round 5:
Will Davis – Cornerback, Utah State
Davis is a cornerback who has the uncanny ability to improve in each and every game – and did so for the Aggies. Once an unheralded prospect, he could become an absolute stud in the NFL.

Round 5:
A.J. Klein – Linebacker, Iowa State
Klein is a tackling machine with good size and speed. He had a respectable combine and provided the Cyclones with a solid presence in the middle. Klein has a good nose for the football and he can drop back into coverage when needed.

Round 6:
Stefphon Jefferson – Running Back, Nevada
We don’t need a running back? Ok, that’s fine, but Mike Shanahan has this uncanny habit of finding hidden gems at this position and Jefferson fits the bill. Many scouts are calling him this year’s Alfred Morris. Jefferson’s offense ran the pistol and he had a great year. His character is rated as extremely high. Enough said.

Round 6:
Omoregie Uzzi – Guard, Georgia Tech
Uzzi is a prospect that would be a very poor fit in traditional blocking schemes, but a perfect fit for the zone blocking teams. He is very mobile and continues to play with a high motor until the whistle is blown.

Round 7:
Cooper Taylor – Safety, Richmond
Taylor is another outstanding prospect from the small school ranks and could have a good impact at the next level. The versatile player can play either safety position. He might be a candidate for a linebacker position as well, but not likely.

UDFAs
1. Lucas Reed – TE, New Mexico
2. Elvis Fisher – OT, Missouri
3. Jeff Braun – OT, West Virginia
4. T.J. Barnes – DT, Georgia Tech
5. Steve Greer – ILB, Virginia
6. Trey Wilson – CB, Vanderbilt
7. Alex Dunnachie - P, Hawaii
8. Brandon Kaufman – WR, Eastern Washington
9. James Wilson – G, Florida
10. Mark Jackson – G, Glenville St
11. Miguel Maysonet – RB, Stony Brook
12. Dalton Freeman – C, Clemson
13. Rontez Miles – S, California (PA)
14. Tino Sunseri – QB, Pittsburgh
15. Demetrius McCray – CB, Appalachian St
16. Ray Ray Armstrong – S, Miami

Analysis:
It is no secret that the Redskins are looking to upgrade their defensive secondary. It would not be surprising to see the first two choices reflecting that need. This mock simply confirms what could possibly occur with these needs.

BBQ mock thirteen has an early trade that could produce a talented tight end pick early in the fourth round. If this occurs, don’t be surprised if the Redskins decide to jettison Fred Davis at some point.

Later in the mock, more picks are dedicated to the defensive secondary, offensive line, defensive tackle, and linebacker positions. These choices will simply add more depth where it is needed in the next few years. Too, the obligatory Mike Shanahan running back selection is highlighted in the sixth round.
 
For someone that's following this stuff closely: What's the rough % of mock drafts that are putting us at trading back at #2?

Just curious.
 
As stated in the mock, there is a mock tomorrow, Friday, and a special edition on Saturday for remaining picks.

As for the injury to Slay, it is being figured into the mock. But stayed tuned, things could change. :)
 
Evan Silva's prediction:

51. Redskins -- Arkansas-Pine Bluff OT Terron Armstead

Armstead is an athletic zone-blocking prototype. He'd play right tackle in D.C.

With Polumbus, Pashos, Trueblood and Compton in the fold, why on earth would we draft this guy to play RT?

It probably wouldn't cost much to get rid of the first three but Compton is young and you don't want to throw a guy like Armstead in there at RT from Day 1 with RG3 coming back from knee surgery. You also would never be able to stash him on the practice squad so that means you pretty much have to keep either Polumbus, Pashos or Trueblood as well as Armstead on the 53. In addition, if you try to stash Compton on the PS again, you run the risk of him getting claimed like he did last year when we had to add him to the 53.

I'm NOT AGAINST drafting Armstead, as he may be more capable of playing LT than the others should Trent Williams get hurt or suspended, but it complicates things when you have all those other guys already in place. It might be a nice complication to have but drafting him to play him at RT doesn't make a lot of sense. I would think he sits inactive until Trent needs a breather and work him exclusively at LT during Training Camp. Just my 2 pennies.
 

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