BREAKING NEWS: Redskins to lose $36 Million in Cap Space

FWIW - Why the Redskins Cap Penalty is Different (via @HogsHaven):

Let me start off that I am not a salary cap guru. Yesterday, it was all over Twitter and the comments section here a graphic depicting all the other teams that seeming front-loaded their players contracts as well. Julius Peppers, for one. There's also the debate in the uncapped year that teams like Tampa stayed below the cap floor, which is allowing them the luxury of affording all these large contracts (Carl Nicks, Vincent Jackson, and Eric Wright).

I emailed current National Football Post columnist, Andrew Brandt, who was a former NFL Agent and VP for the Packers, to help clarify:

I am not defending the penalties levied on the Redskins, but there is a point that needs clarification. The Redskins did not front-load newly negotiated contracts into the uncapped year. They renegotiated existing contracts that were already on the books to dump future years' proration into the uncapped year. There is a big difference between the two.
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And that makes sense. The Julius Peppers signing was a new contract in the uncapped year ($6.5 million signing bonus) whereas as the Redskins cleared money from Haynesworth and DHall's 2009 disastrous' deals.

The reason the Cowgirls got penalized is because in Miles Austin's new, 2010 contract, they gave him a $17million salary his first year with no signing bonus...thus avoiding a future cap hit that would be spread out.

What trumps everything though is the NFL office approved these Redskins contracts. How can they now say they're not valid? A possible excuse: "Oh yea, sorry. We fired the guy that messed that up. Not our fault."

The Redskins are already finding creative ways to get around their cap woes. I'm sure we'll be hearing more on this. Stay tuned.
 
I was talking with a friend about this last night. The NFL has opened a can of worms. To begin with, this will be another example of the NFL not being able to dispassionately govern themselves. It is an obvious attempt by one group of owners to penalize another group of owners for a supposed violation of a verbal agreement. Unless, as BB has stated, the NFL does not sweep this under the carpet as quickly as they can it will end up being a very dangerous situation for them.

Again, BB is correct to assert that Florio has his nose on the trail. He's a lawyer. I go over to PFT to see the latest Football rumors then look into them further. He's pretty much a hack when it comes to the game, but when it comes to the legal stuff he is like a pit bull that will not let go.

Last night I said I thought we'd heard the end because I did not think the league would want any more exposure. It looks like that was wishful thinking so we could go spend like sailors on leave in Thailand. (Mike, got any stories?) Anyway, Florio is obviously dug in. Someone joked fansince62 for calling his local representative, well this needs to be investigated by someone outside the NFL. There has to be some force, some independent council, who needs to look into this. I thought this might slip away, it looks like we are just hearing the begining of it.
 
I don't think much more will come of it outside of some hush hush behind the scenes stuff. Dan and Jerry will lose much more if they push this too hard and the collusion angle grabs traction. In a worst case scenario, the CBA could be overturned and hugh fines could occur. It would be real bad for the league and all of the owners.
 
stevenaa said:
I don't think much more will come of it outside of some hush hush behind the scenes stuff. Dan and Jerry will lose much more if they push this too hard and the collusion angle grabs traction. In a worst case scenario, the CBA could be overturned and hugh fines could occur. It would be real bad for the league and all of the owners.
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I don't think either the Skins or the Cowboys are the ones who will perpetuate this. I think Florio's reluctance to let this go will bring light to something that will attract the attention of a lawmaker somewhere.
 
Forget Snyder for a minute. Even if Snyder had sold the team after 2009 and the Redskins did the same thing with the Haynesworth contract under a new owner, the NFL Management Council would have taken the same action.

Why?

For the same reason the NBA backed off trading Chris Paul to the Lakers even though the Hornets and Lakers had a deal in place.

Small market owners like Dan Gilbert of the Cavaliers and NFL owners like Mike Brown have been stung by wealthier clubs in big markets taking advantage of their resources to outbid them for their own players and there is nothing else they can do about it.

So, they cry and then look to get even when an opportunity seems to present itself.

In some cases other big market teams that are rivals and sit on these councils such as the Giants go along with these other owners to weaken the teams in question.

Do you really think Mara was going to be on the Council and defend the Redskins in any event?

At least in the NBA the faction that wanted to stop the Lakers trade had one legitimate card to draw and that was that the NBA itself was the owner of the Hornets at that moment when the trade was put together and could veto it.

In the case of the action against the Cowboys and Redskins, the NFL has no standing to enforce their move.
 
Greetings,

I haven't posted here in nearly two years (or on that other site), but this set of events has really got me cranked up. Had this "collusion" between certain teams been identified in January-March of 2011, the NFLPA probably wouldn't have had to settle and the NFL would've been paying huge fines across the board. I haven't had an opportunity to read the whole thread, but I intend to.

Cheers,

SPR
 
Nice to see you again, don't be such a stranger :) :cheers:
 
I think the league will do some shady crap behind the scenes and pressure us into taking whatever crappy deal they think is a "fair" compromise, if I was Danny I would tell them to fornicate with their hat and refuse any sort of deal, I dont care if the league loses face, perhaps they should have thought of that before going through with one of the greatest screwjobs in decades, ffs this is as bad as the NBA screwing the Lakers.

Bottom line, we didnt do anything wrong, period, and we shouldnt be penalised
 
I don't believe there will be any lawsuit, or even any fully disclosed public accounting. Whatever accommodations the league and the Skins/Boys make--and I DO believe there will be one--are more likely to be for future considerations that cannot be clearly identified as related.

The Skins and Boyz are clearly on whatever moral high ground there is here, but also smart enough to understand that taking down the league they are a part of would be the proverbial proboscis-cutting to spite their faces.

Or something like that.
 
I don't think it will just go away (although I hope you're right). Goodell and the other owners have too much ego to simply quietly admit this was a bonehead move that not only wouldn't hold up in court, but could open up the league to lots of legal attention in terms of it's business practices.

What I suspect is happening is, Goodell and company are going to try and feed the Redskins and Cowbys just 'half of the **** sandwich' they tried to shove down their throats earlier this week. They won't admit this tactic is just legally groundless - they'll try and enforce a lesser version of it so they can still 'prove their point' but not piss off the Redskins/Cowboys so much that they sue them over it.

Personally, I hope Snyder and Jones tell them to stick it and they'll see them in court. That might make it go away :)
 
I don't think Florio is going to let it go or die down. That nearly happened with the Vick fiasco. Florio continued a relentless pursuit of the Vick story and wouldn't let it go. If it is something in the legal arena, Florio is there. This could be our best hope for a reasonable solution.
 
This is restraint of trade period. It is actionable.

The owners in the NFL are so complacent and arrogant they think they can issue edicts like the Ayatollahs in Iran and just have them followed as if they are 'of God'.

Personally, I would like to see the realization on their part that the owners and team officials on the Management Council are sitting there naked with their togas having been pulled off their bodies :)
 
Rich Tandler reports-via Florio-that according to a "source with knowledge of the situation" says option for challenging this are being explored.

Redskins exploring options on cap penalty

When I talked to Mike Florio yesterday on Pro Football Talk Live, I said that while there was nothing getting out of Redskins Park about how they might fight the salary cap penalty the NFL slapped on the Redskins, many billable hours were certainly being spent exploring options.

Florio has been looking into it and he says this morning that is just what is happening.

“A source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT that the Cowboys and Redskins are exploring all options for challenging the decision,” Florio wrote.

The article goes into some of the pitfalls that could come from legal action. Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones will have to decide if the consequences of suing, even if they win, would be worse than the other issues a suit might bring up.

Clearly, what happened here was unfair. However, if you’ve been around a while you realize that what is unfair is not always illegal. We’ll see how it turns out.
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Link:http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2012/03/redskins-exploring-options-on-cap-penalty.html

Kinda makes me think the "going away" idea might be premature.
 
Yeah, I read that piece earlier. I still can't see Snyder/Jones talking this to the courts. But I've been wrong before. If it IS going to go legal, I'm thinking it would probably take a push from outside...maybe fansince has that kind of juice. :)
 
Om said:
Yeah, I read that piece earlier. I still can't see Snyder/Jones talking this to the courts. But I've been wrong before. If it IS going to go legal, I'm thinking it would probably take a push from outside...maybe fansince has that kind of juice. :)
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He's already called his representative.
 
On one of the Social Network boards, some cowpoke and skins fans were throwing out an idea of meeting at the Draft in April and saying some colorful things about Godell everytime he takes the podium to announce a team's selection. I think they should just say one Word Collusion.
 
So...

Just a thought...

This week, the league was going to announce penalties involving the Saints and Gregg.

Hmmmm...

I wonder what is holding up the process.

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NavyDave said:
On one of the Social Network boards, some cowpoke and skins fans were throwing out an idea of meeting at the Draft in April and saying some colorful things about Godell everytime he takes the podium to announce a team's selection. I think they should just say one Word Collusion.
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I love this idea. Goodell can also go **** himself would be a good chant, though a little long.

I'll work on it.
 
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