2014 Coaching Search Rumors

[SkinsFTW]

I'd like to be more optimistic, but I'm going to take the Missouri approach.

Show me.

This is pretty much where ive been since Schottenheimer was fired except for Gibbs 4 years not that Schotty was great but he wasn't given a chance. I was more than unimpressed with the hiring of Spurrier, Zorn, and Shanahan and actually Shanahan was the only one who had already proven to completely fail at what he was hired to do here and the other 2 were bad hires and weren't given anything to work with and were micromanaged by football imbeciles.

Now we could possibly be back to square 1. Maybe Allen is tougher and more of a football guy than I'm giving him credit for but he did survive for years in Oakland serving as Al Davis' bitch boy and along with Snyder gave up all control to the already failed Shanahan so consider the odds he plays puppet to Snyders fantasy football team now for 2-3 years until it falls apart once again?

 

[Bulldog]

My recollection is that fans were ecstatic in 2010 that Shanahan was going to have final say and Snyder was going to be more observer than actor when it came to personnel.

Funny that after Shanahan goes down in flames now people are looking for Snyder to have intervened?

If after 6-10 and 5-11 seasons Snyder had fired Shanahan and said the club was not making progress with Grossman and Beck at quarterback, how many here would have been up in arms about Shanahan not getting enough time?

 

[fansince62]

My recollection is that fans were ecstatic in 2010 that Shanahan was going to have final say and Snyder was going to be more observer than actor when it came to personnel.

Funny that after Shanahan goes down in flames now people are looking for Snyder to have intervened?

If after 6-10 and 5-11 seasons Snyder had fired Shanahan and said the club was not making progress with Grossman and Beck at quarterback, how many here would have been up in arms about Shanahan not getting enough time?

I would have.

You know...I've been watching some of the pundits the last few days at the various network perches pontificate about coaching changes. they all state stay away from DC cuz of the owner. as a fan, I find that brain dead and un-interesting. these people get paid for that sort of penetrating "analysis"? the god *amn challenge is to find the best coach for the Skins whether Dan Snyder is here or not. it matters to 50+ players, it matters to the coaches and it matters to hundreds of thousands of fans. it's just blatantly lazy to be blathering cliches like this. once again...

media = losers who may work long hours but do so without much in the way of thought challenge

 

[Boone]

Who cares what the fans think or say? If ANY decisions are being made in Ashburn based on what fan's think or want, we truly are doomed.

 

[SkinsNumberOne]

I would have.

You know...I've been watching some of the pundits the last few days at the various network perches pontificate about coaching changes. they all state stay away from DC cuz of the owner. as a fan, I find that brain dead and un-interesting. these people get paid for that sort of penetrating "analysis"? the god *amn challenge is to find the best coach for the Skins whether Dan Snyder is here or not. it matters to 50+ players, it matters to the coaches and it matters to hundreds of thousands of fans. it's just blatantly lazy to be blathering cliches like this. once again...

media = losers who may work long hours but do so without much in the way of thought challenge

The problem for the Skins over the last 10 years or so is that Dan (and the team perhaps by extension) has a reputation of being a coach/player career killer. It's a place to get paid... it's been that way for players for some time, and it seems like it's that way for coaches in a way too. Painting the situation as dysfunctional (by the media or others) is going to worsen that.

That is why, one of the key things to watch for in the offseason is not just who we get as coaches and players (with the usage of all our salary cap space), but also the contracts those people are given. We have to get better at giving smarter contracts, which is easier said than done because we are not exactly a marquee franchise to join anymore.

The best bet for us in general, I'd say, is to focus on the draft as much as possible. It's where we'll get our best value without paying any premiums for being a "bad spot to land." Coaching-wise, we have to do the equivalent of the draft most likely; get a fresh(-ish) face. It's probably the only way we get reasonable terms, which we need, to maintain the coach's hunger to do well and to improve credibility.

 

[servumtuum]

serv, it was the wrong link I attached. I fixed the link. Football outsiders was my source.

I have no idea where the snake oil salesman got this stats.

Thanks.

BTW, I'm not particularly impressed with Football Outsiders. They come with a crap load of impressive sounding stats but from what I've seen they fail to provide a metric giving a correlation between their stats and the probability of a team winning a game against another team. Stats by themselves are basically meaningless unless you are making a simple comparison-for something as complex as two football teams playing one another it's necessary to demonstrate the relevance of any statistic-or group of statistics. In other words, demonstrate a measurable connection between the stat or group of stats and how much they contribute to establishing a reliable way to measure of the probability of winning or losing.

 

[Boone]

SkinsNumberOne - impressed with your posts brother. Glad you found us

 

[Bulldog]

One thing that will hopefully change here is a newfound willingness to separate from players that are lazy in preparation or have other attitude issues.

IMO a strong coach and GM get guys like Fred Davis off the team.

The good organizations don't seem to keep their mistakes around for long.

Notice how quickly NE cut Brandon Meriweather despite him being a first round pick and former pro bowler.

 

[Lanky Livingston]

Why would you EVER think I'd care about your opinion about how I post?

Pete is right; it was a joke. But you doing this...ask yourself how this helps.

Or don't.

A joke...right. I'm going to leave it alone because McD is more than capable of handling himself, but at least the three of us know that was no joke.

Happy new year, Mike.

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[Lanky Livingston]

Attack? Lol

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[Elephant]

Thanks.

BTW, I'm not particularly impressed with Football Outsiders. They come with a crap load of impressive sounding stats but from what I've seen they fail to provide a metric giving a correlation between their stats and the probability of a team winning a game against another team. Stats by themselves are basically meaningless unless you are making a simple comparison-for something as complex as two football teams playing one another it's necessary to demonstrate the relevance of any statistic-or group of statistics. In other words, demonstrate a measurable connection between the stat or group of stats and how much they contribute to establishing a reliable way to measure of the probability of winning or losing.

Great! Thanks! Now McD5 is going to continue beating the Jay Gruden dead horse!

 

[Neophyte]

I agree that Shanahan has to own the brunt of the blame for 3 out of 4 failed seasons. But where I bristle is the idea that Allen and Snyder have no responsibility. I think they do. I don't see how anyone could pretend they weren't part of the organization and at some level the decision-making. Shanahan having final say doesn't mean he made every decision in isolation.

I don't know, Boone. It has been made pretty clear all along that Shanahan has always had the last word. There is too much smoke around the rumors of him disregarding the opinions of scouts and FO personnel in both Denver and Washington for there not to be a fire in there somewhere worthy of sounding the alarm.

I am completely inclined to hang the whole thing on Shanahan and think any good ideas Bruce or Danny might have had along the way were discounted and tossed out by Mike.

 

[Boone]

Have I discounted any of those rumors? That's not the point. The point is, ultimately Snyder can't escape responsibility and Allen owns at least some of this too. Who agreed to a contract that ultimately set us up for failure? Who engineered the plan to spend wildly in an uncapped year? If we had a contract genius on board, and that's all he was, why did we spend so unwisely on multiple players who ultimately didn't contribute? And where I really fault Snyder and Allen is in allowing the whole final year to become an absolute media circus. There are 1000 things they could have done to stabilize the situation. I'm pretty sure Mike's contract didn't preclude his employer from pulling him in and having a heart to heart 'WTF?' conversation. Maybe that happened, but I tend to doubt it. I think Snyder reached a point where he wanted to move on (like he has a half dozen times before, pretty much with every coach but Joe Gibbs - who himself opted out - probably BECAUSE he didn't want to deal with Dan Snyder anymore) and sat by and watched the whole thing implode.

I know everyone wants to believe that evil Mike Shanahan is the source of all evil. It's very convenient, and it allows fans to believe getting rid of him changes everything. But you will never convince me that ultimately, the leader of the organization has to own failure.

All that being said, it's truly a pointless conversation as many have already referenced. It is what it is, and until Snyder has 5 years of consistent success (which I would acknowledge only after consistent playoff appearances) I will believe he has no clue how to run a successful organization. He can continue to blame the coaches he or his surrogates hire, but ultimately, his name is in the 'Owner' field on the table of organization. He owns this mess.

 

[fansince62]

Who cares what the fans think or say? If ANY decisions are being made in Ashburn based on what fan's think or want, we truly are doomed.

disagree. yes...football decisions are the provence of management. but every last one of these teams is a business...and like EVERY business that wants to survive...they have to provide what the fans want. and what fans want is more nuanced than just wins. wins matter most, but there are other things. so...I agree that I want decisions like head coach determined by the professionals. but...obviously I would think.....at some point the fans weigh in (i.e., make enough bad decisions and the ticket sales drop...the marketing sales drop...the advertisements drop...etc...etc).

as for the owner: I think that is beating a dead horse. he's not going anywhere unless and until the franchise becomes a money loser. so, working on the assumption he is not headed out of town, the thought process becomes "how can things improve? are things improving?" otherwise, what's the point? pack one's bags, go root for another team or bag the NFL altogether and wait for a better day to reengage.

I don't spend a lot of time worrying about Snyder these days. I see him for who/what he is and what he has done. I look for those improvements. Seems to me stressing over Snyder is the modern day equivalent of 14th century flagellants!!! they didn't make the plague disappear and neither will wanking about Snyder in the process...they just bloodied themselves!!!

 

[Lanky Livingston]

Reports are Jay Gruden is in the lead:

http://www.csnwashington.com/football-washington-redskins/talk/report-jay-gruden-leader-redskins-job

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[Boone]

as for the owner: I think that is beating a dead horse. he's not going anywhere unless and until the franchise becomes a money loser. so, working on the assumption he is not headed out of town, the thought process becomes "how can things improve? are things improving?" otherwise, what's the point? pack one's bags, go root for another team or bag the NFL altogether and wait for a better day to reengage.

When you pause even for a week in your railings about our government, I'll stop beating my dead horse Al Because, Obama, he's uhhh not going anywhere.

 

[fansince62]

When you pause even for a week in your railings about our government, I'll stop beating my dead horse Al Because, Obama, he's uhhh not going anywhere.

oh yes he is...in three short years! (one year actually given that the last two years will be all about the next disaster....errr Progressive) and he has already lost most of his influence for his second term. isn't that one grand irony! perhaps there should be a Constitutional amendment limiting NFL ownership!!!!

boone: you brought the politics in bubba! we now return to our regularly scheduled program.

btw...go back and look: my Obama railings have all but evaporated compared to the early years of his first term when I tried to point out where it was all headed but everyone was wrapped into the symbolism and empty rhetoric. In fact, in some areas (e.g. NSA and cyber security) I have generally supported his policies.

 

[Boone]

oh yes he is...in three short years! (one year actually given that the last two years will be all about the next disaster....errr Progressive) and he has already lost most of his influence for his second term. isn't that one grand irony! perhaps there should be a Constitutional amendment limiting NFL ownership!!!!

boone: you brought the politics in bubba! we now return to our regularly scheduled program.

btw...go back and look: my Obama railings have all but evaporated compared to the early years of his first term when I tried to point out where it was all headed but everyone was wrapped into the symbolism and empty rhetoric. In fact, in some areas (e.g. NSA and cyber security) I have generally supported his policies.

You could have just said 'Ummm...you might have a point there

 

[SkinsNumberOne]

SkinsNumberOne - impressed with your posts brother. Glad you found us

Thanks man. Great site and great people. I've been lurking around since the beginning, but just haven't had much time to post anywhere recently. Hopefully that is changing.

 

[Bulldog]

The Haynesworth and Hall contracts were signed when Vinny was here.

Allen was presented with these contracts already depressing the cap.

There were a couple of choices , cut everyone from the roster as SF did in 2002 or look to follow the rules of the CBA which provided for an uncapped year when/if the agreement expired.

Let's be honest here. Allen would never have allowed the Redskins to sign these suicide contracts .

That was clear from his Tampa days.

What is ironic is the same folks that were happy in 2012 and credited Shanahan, looking at Allen as a figurehead , now want to put some of the blame on him for the subsequent failures.