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    I went to the other joint to see if what I heard on ESPN radio last (when I was still in NOVA) was discussed - and there is a thread about it. The Redskins, according to John Clayton, are about $45 million under the minimum number of what will be the cap for 2011. That is BEFORE releasing or trading DMc5 and he would net an additional savings of $7 million. Any deal with AH would bring $3 million more.

    He went on to say that the team could sign five FAs on the first day. Some of the strong possibilities include...

    LaRon Landry - getting new deal (and he is not a FA).
    Santana Moss - new deal.
    Cullen Jenkins.
    Aubrayo Franklin.
    Braylon Edwards.
    A CB.
    One or two OL.
    Possibly a LB.
    A veteran QB.

    One other note. The Cowboys are about $18 million over and need to restructure and release players.

    A new CBA could come by mid week.
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    I'm trying not to pay attention to any of this until the deal is done, but $45-55 mil under the cap would be very impressive. I'd even forgive a FA signing or two if that were the case.
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    Henry, I hope your "forgiveness well" is a deep one. One of the leaked details of the new CBA proposed settlement is raising the cap percentage minimum from what had been 84% to between 95% to nearly 100% of the cap space-meaning, of course, the Redskins would be required to spend most if not almost all that $45 million.

    Another leaked detail is changing UFA minimum service time from 6 years to 4 years thus increasing the size of the FA pool.

    This could turn into a feeding frenzy.
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    Well, if the nature of FA changes to the degree you are suggesting it might, I will forgive the Redskins, but I may not forgive the NFL. I'm not a huge fan of free agency to begin with. Encouraging more of it would only make me like the overall product less.
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    Are we really going to resign Moss and sign Edwards? I thought we were going to let our rookies get a shot. Clayton has been talking about Edwards to the Skins for a while now. I wonder if he has some inside about that. I haven't really heard anybody else talk about it.

    As I mentioned in another post Cullen Jenkins and Franklin will do wonders for our team. Jenkins, Franklin, Carriker and Jenkings (rookie) will make a great three man D-line that can rotate in and out.

    As for the CB. I like the Joseph kid from Cincy. He is younger than Rogers and has better hands.

    I think we need at least two new OL. RT and a new Guard.

    Is the Veteran QB Grossman? When you look the free agent QB market, Grossman is not a bad option. Oh my gosh did I just say it? Think about it. Do you'll want Hasselbeck, he will get injured the first time he takes a hit. With our O-line that won't take long. Alex Smith? I think he is a 49er for at least one more year. Who else is better than Grossman?
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    A while back there was an awful lot of chatter about Viunce Young as a QB. Not sure how I feel about that one, frankly. And the other thing to think about is that media reports have Beck more in favor than Rex. Course, it's media reports, so we all know what they are worth...
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    Rex will be back, but I was referring to another veteran QB being signed. Rex probably wins the job and keeps it this year.

    Twitter chatter over the last hour is saying that the final sticking point is the rookie wage scale. We're getting closer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry View Post
    Well, if the nature of FA changes to the degree you are suggesting it might, I will forgive the Redskins, but I may not forgive the NFL. I'm not a huge fan of free agency to begin with. Encouraging more of it would only make me like the overall product less.

    not disagreeing with you henry...but in what ways would you like the product less? for me...it means less player identity with the team - they more or less become football mercenaries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skinsfan76 View Post
    Are we really going to resign Moss and sign Edwards? I thought we were going to let our rookies get a shot. Clayton has been talking about Edwards to the Skins for a while now. I wonder if he has some inside about that. I haven't really heard anybody else talk about it.

    As I mentioned in another post Cullen Jenkins and Franklin will do wonders for our team. Jenkins, Franklin, Carriker and Jenkings (rookie) will make a great three man D-line that can rotate in and out.

    As for the CB. I like the Joseph kid from Cincy. He is younger than Rogers and has better hands.

    I think we need at least two new OL. RT and a new Guard.

    Is the Veteran QB Grossman? When you look the free agent QB market, Grossman is not a bad option. Oh my gosh did I just say it? Think about it. Do you'll want Hasselbeck, he will get injured the first time he takes a hit. With our O-line that won't take long. Alex Smith? I think he is a 49er for at least one more year. Who else is better than Grossman?
    you had me right up to the Grossman part!
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    so the iggles pull in the cb from Oakland?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fansince62 View Post
    so the iggles pull in the cb from Oakland?
    Or Detroit maybe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fansince62 View Post
    you had me right up to the Grossman part!
    I was afraid that might happen. I didn't like saying it either. What QB would you go with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by servumtuum View Post
    Or Detroit maybe?

    The way Detroit's defense is shaping up that could be attractive for him, but he is 30 and will likely go to a team that has a chance to win it all in the next 2 or 3 years. Philly is a much more likely destination even though I believe Philly is way over rated.

    I have seen it discussed elsewhere, but I would love to see Paul Poslusny next to London Fletcher! Not sure how much interest we have in him, but he would be an instant upgrade over Rocky and younger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skinsfan76 View Post
    I was afraid that might happen. I didn't like saying it either. What QB would you go with?
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    need more info to decide. KS was successful in Texas with someone else's backup so I won't begrudge his eye for talent when it comes to finding folks who can run his offense. translation: he knows something about Beck the rest of us don't know. I'll wait to see how this plays out over the next two years - there are no immediate fixes.

    I just can't handle watching Grossman play. From an aesthetic pov....it's very painful. from a results pov...it will be very un-even....that is his MO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry View Post
    Well, if the nature of FA changes to the degree you are suggesting it might, I will forgive the Redskins, but I may not forgive the NFL. I'm not a huge fan of free agency to begin with. Encouraging more of it would only make me like the overall product less.
    Agreed wholeheartedly. The NFL is slowly turning into the NBA, where players change jerseys seemingly at every halftime...its kind of ridiculous. The days of Ray Lewis, Peyton Manning, Chris Samuels, etc. staying on one team for their entire careers will be long gone, I'm afraid...
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    Interesting list of the top 51 free agents, with Santana about halfway through, and 'Los not even making the list, unless I missed him:

    http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...1-free-agents/

    1. Nnamdi Asomugha, CB

    The unquestionable top guy in free agency, Asomugha is so good teams just don’t throw his way. Either that or they’re scared of his reputation. In any case, whichever team picks him up is getting a cornerback who will give opposing offensive co-ordinators massive headaches.


    2. Charles Johnson, DE

    It was near impossible to choose between No.’s 2 and 3, but ultimately, you have to look at the year Johnson just had and marvel. It was the kind of elite season very few defensive ends put together, and yet hardly anyone is talking about it. Top level talent.


    3. Ray Edwards, DE

    He’s got more longevity to his career, but he’s never had that kind of standout season to make the mouth water. No shame in being a top ten defensive end in this league though and Edwards is certainly that.


    4. Santonio Holmes, WR

    You look at some of the big plays from Holmes and then look past some of the off field problems, and what you’re left with is a receiver you can rely on. Since that Super Bowl catch, he has taken his game to a new, more consistent level.


    5. Sidney Rice, WR

    Rice may have more upside than Holmes, but the lack of playing time and injuries hurt his stock. Not by much though, with his 2009 being so good for more than the numbers he put up. Makes his quarterback better.


    6. Quintin Mikell, S

    In an era were safeties are either overrated or living off highlight reel, Mikell is refreshing. As good in coverage as he is coming up to help in run support, he just always seems to perform well. Given his age and his reputation, he’ll represent tremendous value for any number of teams trying to upgrade at safety.


    7. Aubrayo Franklin, DT

    If you want a nose tackle to get after the quarterback, this man isn’t your guy. If you want one to stuff the run then look no further. Franklin eats up blocks and still does a good job getting to the ball carrier. Excellent two down player.


    8. Ahmad Bradshaw, RB

    With less wear on his tires than others, Bradshaw should be an attractive option for teams that think they can cure his fumbling problems. Bradshaw runs well and picks up yards after contact, but could also help a team as a third down back who is exceptional in blitz pick up situations.


    9. Brandon Mebane, DT

    Mebane exploded into the minds of most with a tremendous 2008, and while he’s never quite captured that again he has rounded out his game to be the kind of every down DT teams love. Shocking that the Seahawks were prepared to let him go.


    10. Jared Gaither, OT

    Perhaps slightly high given the risks, but the league is in short supply of good left tackles. More than that, Gaither isn’t just good – he’s extremely talented and with age on his side. Not enough franchise left tackles hit the market.


    11. Doug Free, OT

    The Cowboy left tackle may be better suited to the right side in the long term, but he performed more than admirably on the left. A good pass protector, his real skill lies in that punishing run blocking that can pave some pretty big holes.


    12. Matt Roth, OLB

    Roth faded a bit when so much was asked of him in 2010, but if a team wants a proven all around performer to complement a pure pass rusher, Roth is the guy. Gets to the quarterback and impacts running plays. What more do you want?


    13. DeAngelo Williams, RB

    Williams may be the best pure runner available, but we haven’t seen near enough of it the past two years after that incredible end to 2008. You wonder if all the carries (including college) have taken too much out of him, but given his talent, he’s worth the risk.


    14. Cullen Jenkins, DE

    What makes Jenkins such an interesting proposition is that he’s a proven success in 3-4 and 4-3 defenses, so the market for him could be bigger than anyone expects. Interestingly, a 4-3 team may get the best out of him in an every down role.


    15. Jason Babin, DE

    It took a number of teams to figure it out, but just letting Babin line up out wide and use his speed to confuse and abuse was the answer all along. A complete defender, Babin needs the right coach to take advantage of his skill set rather than making him something he’s not.


    16. Marshal Yanda, OL

    Yanda is the kind of player who could appeal to a lot of teams as a lineman capable of playing tackle and guard extremely well. He is more than just a versatile player and you put him at guard or right tackle, and you’ll be getting one of the league’s best.


    17. Josh Wilson, CB

    Was surprising when Seattle let Wilson go for so little after a solid 2009. In any case, he flourished in the second half of 2010 with the Ravens, stabilizing what had become a problem position in Baltimore. That kind of ability to adapt to new surroundings bodes well for his new team.


    18. Willie Colon, OT

    It may not have seemed as if the Steelers missed Colon, but they did, with their pass protection falling off a cliff. Their soon-to-be-former right tackle could walk into almost any starting lineup and make it better, even if he could do with imposing himself more in the run game.


    19. Barry Cofield, DT

    At just 27, Cofield is younger than you probably think and coming off a career year. Really stepped it up after a 2009 where he was so-so, and now threatens to cash in. Needs to be a little more consistent, but a rounded DT.


    20. Michael Huff, S

    Huff finally got the performance to match his pedigree coming out of college, and yet now the Raiders seem to be seeing the back of him. Will make a good free safety fit for a number of teams.


    21. Malcolm Floyd, WR

    The Charger may be best served as a secondary (or even tertiary target), with him blossoming in a role that was less prominent than Vincent Jackson and Antonio Gates. That’s not to say he isn’t one of the league’s most dangerous deep threats as his yearly yards per reception shows. He is.


    22. Paul Posluszny, MLB

    Last year was a bit of a disaster for the Buffalo Bill. The change to (and then back from) a 3-4 seemed to really mess with a guy that had a tremendous 2009 in the middle of a 4-3 front seven. Put him back in a comfortable situation and watch him prosper.


    23. Damien Woody, OT

    You have the same old age and injury concern excuses, but there are players making do with more damaged knees and they get by, why can’t Woody? He’s a player who has been nothing short of exceptional these past few years. Could just be a stop gap, but what a stop gap he is.


    24. Braylon Edwards, WR

    Some would still have you believe Edwards drops more balls than any other receiver, when he’s really improved this part of this game. Still a bit inconsistent, he is a threat you have to account for on every play.


    25. Manny Lawson, OLB

    For 3-4 teams short on pass rush, Lawson seems the obvious answer. But there are some red flags given how he was rotated out of the lineup (often on passing downs) and he played alongside some exceptional players on that 49ers defense. Expect a solid performer, but not miracles.


    26. Santana Moss, WR

    Moss found a spark in his contract year that had seemed to be missing. The question is, can he keep it going for another year? For anyone doubting that, you only need to look at how many missed tackles he forced (13 to lead the league). Not the deep threat he once was, but has adapted and remains extremely effective.

    http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...1-free-agents/
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    Quote Originally Posted by fansince62 View Post
    not disagreeing with you henry...but in what ways would you like the product less? for me...it means less player identity with the team - they more or less become football mercenaries.
    That's it. The truth is, I just hate free agency. It's as simple as that.

    I don't care if my team needs to take five years to build itself up and be decent. Or more. If the players on the team are Our Guys, I'll root for them regardless of the record.

    I've learned to live with the way things are now. I don't like it as much, but I've learned to live with it. If team stability disappears even more ... well that would suck.

    Anyway, back to the thread.
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    PFT has a close look at what the new league year will look like when the CBA is in place.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ill-look-like/

    4 days after the ratification: Teams will be able to sign undrafted players. On the same day, teams will get a three-day window to re-sign their own players. It’s safe to say tampering will go nuts in this period as agents shop deals around.

    7 days after ratification: Free agency starts. So does the league year. A lot of huge deals figure to be signed within hours. Magic.

    12 days after ratification: Rosters will be set at 90 players. That’s a lot of signing in a very short amount of time.

    13 days after ratification: Deadline for restricted free agents to sign offer sheets. (We’re assuming RFAs will only be third year players at this point, but that isn’t confirmed.)

    17 days after ratification: A four-day period for teams to match restricted free-agent offer sheets ends.

    22 days after ratification: This one isn’t agreed upon, but it could be a deadline for rookies to sign. Um, wow. This unprecedented idea is something we’ll delve into later.

    26 days after ratification: The signing period for RFAs, franchise players, and transition tag players ends.
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    If I may add a personal prediction.

    At some point early after the official announcement of ratification two-possibly more-NFL fan forums will go offline due their servers crashing.

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    This story has me intrigued:

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...ill-rebuilding

    Would you guys be willing to move 2nd year player Trent Williams to the right side of the line if we could pick up these two guys, move Lichtensteiger over to Center and see what Montgomery can do with a solid C and RT on either side of him?

    There is a lot of talk about consistency... Well, if we bring in 2 guys who have been lining up next to each other for a few years on one of the most consistent offensive lines out there, this could bring some consistency on the left side of the line while Williams and whomever ends up at RG meld. I mean Williams is going to have to meld with someone at LG if Licht moves to C. Why not just push him over? Clabo is only 29, Dahl is 30. That should give us a consistent 3-5 years with these guys.

    Ryan Harris would cost us much more.

    Conjecture sucks, but at this point we have nothing else.
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