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c'mon now - we've had some of our biggest successes with players we didn't Home Grow. And really botched some of those we tried to develop.

This is such a difference from where we've been the last decade - I'm almost at a loss.

Anyone else still sitting with a pit in your stomach & not buying the cool aid coming from the bargaining table?
 

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what would be the point in moving williams? is he that bad?
Not bad at all. I am merely posing a question. I do not even know if these 2 fit the scheme. I think it is important to note that Shanahan released Clabo in his rookie year, so...
 

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I agree keep Trent at LT. Basically the Shanahan's threw him in and told him you are the man and you are on your own. He was blocking Ware by himself week one. I think he will turn into one of the best LTs in the game.
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That's it. The truth is, I just hate free agency. It's as simple as that.

I don't care if my team needs to take five years to build itself up and be decent. Or more. If the players on the team are Our Guys, I'll root for them regardless of the record.

I've learned to live with the way things are now. I don't like it as much, but I've learned to live with it. If team stability disappears even more ... well that would suck.

Anyway, back to the thread.

I don't know about 5 yrs brotha! mistakes notwithstanding.....from the end of last season forward I think Shanahan/Allen will have things turned around in three years. Lot's of teams make huge strides in 3 years...given the ever shortening contract cycle...they have to!

By all accounts...the Skins have a good plan for FA. they have thought strategically in all of this. let's assume Shanahan puts his ego on hold and Mrs McNabb and Haynesworth are jettisoned. Let's further assume we have another sizable and productive draft next year. we'll get the o-line fixed. the only REAL long-term problem is QB. that is goin to be the deal breaker for this team. someone in that organization is going to have to find the nugget. sooner rather than later.
 

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I agree keep Trent at LT. Basically the Shanahan's threw him in and told him you are the man and you are on your own. He was blocking Ware by himself week one. I think he will turn into one of the best LTs in the game.
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if he can keep injury free. he was nicked a lot last season.
 

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Given Bruce Allen's reputation as a "maximizing value received per dollar spent" GM, another list I found may be pertinent here.

From Pro Football Focus:

Free Agency – Bargain Hunting


July 11th, 2011 | Author: Khaled Elsayed
Free agency isn’t just about going out and getting the best players. Everyone knows Nnamdi Asomugha is an elite cornerback, and that Ray Edwards is a hard-to-stop defensive end.

While, in an ideal world, you’d be able to upgrade your roster with both men, the simple facts are that teams will be clamoring for their attention and they can only choose one. More so, they’ll cost big money and that’s not something every team has the capacity to take on.

So instead, franchises need to look for guys who contribute, but aren’t quite as sought after, or won’t cost quite as much. Last year, a number of teams found big time contributors in this regard. We’re looking at Houston with Wade Smith, Seattle with Raheem Brock and Chris Clemons, and Tennessee with Jason Babin.

If you’re prepared to look, there are some bargains to be had. And if you’re not prepared to look, just listen to what we have to say as we name our top ten bargain free agents. After all, we wouldn’t lie to you.

Antwan Barnes, DE / OLB

It’s pretty hard to get noticed as a rush specialist when you’re a Raven. You know Terrell Suggs and Jarret Johnson aren’t coming off the field, and so it proved for Barnes. In 2008 and 2009 combined, he managed less than 300 snaps, though he did show some promise. Fast forward to 2010 and after seeing some action for the Eagles (and generating pressure) he finally got a real opportunity as a pass rusher in nickel situations with the Charger. The outcome? He was the sixth most productive pass rusher in the whole of the NFL with 32 quarterback disruptions on just 202 roles. Maybe he can’t translate to an every down end, but he could star in sub packages.

Atari Bigby, S

72 snaps. That’s all Bigby saw in 2010 as the Packers found partners for Nick Collins in the shape of Morgan Burnett and Charlie Peprah. A year earlier he got 757 regular season snaps and responded with four interceptions and a ninth place ranking in our safety grades. He’s not great in coverage and will give up some plays, but he’d represent a cheap upgrade for a number of teams in a safety market crowded with players looking for top dollar.

Brandon Jackson, HB

You’ll never confuse Jackson with a top running back. Simply put, when you hand him the ball he’s not the most productive runner in the league. But the NFL is a passing league more now than it ever has been, so you need backs who make you better in that regard. While others are looking at Darren Sproles and Jason Snelling, check out Brandon Jackson and you won’t go wrong. The past two years he has excelled when the Packers have got him the ball in space, and he backs that up with some impressive blitz pick up.

Evan Mathis, G

We’ve recognized the play of Mathis on more than one occasion to no avail. For whatever reason, the Bengals just didn’t see fit to get him on the field consistently after an incredible start to the 2009 year. It’s a shame for them (he was much better than Nate Livings), and a shame for offensive line aficionados. Mathis was dominant when he was on the field, rarely giving up pressure and pushing around defenders in the run game. Even when he came in for some cameo snaps in 2010, he highlighted his talent with a series of good plays. Some team will get excellent value with him.

Fred Evans, DT

Ironically, with Pat Williams moving on, the best fit for Evans would be with the Vikings. They have room for a tackle who can eat some space and contribute on two downs. That’s the kind of guy Evans can be, only he found himself dropping down the depth chart for Minnesota this year. Still, we’d look back to 2009 and particularly 2010, when, in limited snaps, Evans was a real force on running downs. Plenty of teams could do with getting stouter in this regard.

Jason Spitz, C/ G

Back in 2008, he played like one of the best linemen in the league, despite being shifted about at right guard, center and left guard. He had some bad performances, but more often than not he won his battles and earned our recognition for it. Moving to the present day and, in those two seasons since, he’s managed just 301 snaps. He hasn’t looked great in them, but then spending most of them at left guard was probably asking too much. A proven commodity at center and right guard, there aren’t enough good offensive linemen in this league for Spitz to not be on the field.

Nick Roach, LB

He made an impression in 2008, and took advantage of an injury to Brian Urlacher to really show off how talented a linebacker he is in 2009. Unfortunately, the Bears are deep at linebacker and he only got on the field for 131 snaps last year. The shame in that is that whenever Roach is on the field he tends to have a positive impact (as long as you have him going forward). Could prove a very nice pick up for a team looking at a two down linebacker while not prepared to spend on a bigger name.

Omar Gaither, LB

The last time Omar Gaither got on the field for a significant amount of time he was making a big time impression before injury ended his 2009 season. His play in the first five games of that season was as good as any linebacker at the time. Sure, he isn’t the best dropping into coverage, but his work in 2009 (and 2008 before that) are the work of a man who needs to be on the field. Get the impression he could flourish in a number of defensive systems.

Scott Mruczkowski, C

When Nick Hardwick was out injured, in stepped Mruczkowski and you know what? He actually played better than Hardwick that year. Unfortunately, with the pedigree of the Pro Bowler, Mruczkowski was never going to get into the starting lineup, and understandably so because Hardwick had a great year. But now as a free agent in a league that could use some better centers, someone could save themselves a lot of money (and get better production) with the man out of Bowling State Green.

Victor Abiamiri, DE

After missing all of 2010, it would be easy to forget about Abiamiri, but he’s still young at just 25, and for those that do remember, was actually pretty decent in 2009. He showed the kind of ability that a complete defensive end has, as good against the run as he is rushing the passer. He may never put up the kind of dominant numbers that win you Pro Bowl appearances, but he can go in and do a job for a team.
Article link:http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/07/11/free-agency-bargain-hunting/

Evan Mathis jumped out at me here. Atari Bigby is injury prone as I've heard from Packer fans
 

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I don't know about 5 yrs brotha! mistakes notwithstanding.....from the end of last season forward I think Shanahan/Allen will have things turned around in three years. Lot's of teams make huge strides in 3 years...given the ever shortening contract cycle...they have to!

By all accounts...the Skins have a good plan for FA. they have thought strategically in all of this. let's assume Shanahan puts his ego on hold and Mrs McNabb and Haynesworth are jettisoned. Let's further assume we have another sizable and productive draft next year. we'll get the o-line fixed. the only REAL long-term problem is QB. that is goin to be the deal breaker for this team. someone in that organization is going to have to find the nugget. sooner rather than later.
FS, I was speaking hypothetically, in a world were FA is very limited and teams are built slowly and last a long time.

In today's NFL I agree that 5 years is too long.
 

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is he a ZBS kinda guy?
I've been digging around and so far have come across a couple of tweets from ProFootballFocus and a blurb from the Bengal's team site about Mathis' 2010 season.

ProFootballFocus tweets:


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@ProFootbalFocus High-graded zone blocking guard who is a free agent?
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@StayMediumBlog Evan Mathis. Been in more of a power scheme in Cincy but more than athletic enough for ZBS. Would be a steal
Cincinnati Bengals website:

2010 HIGHLIGHTS: Sixth-year pro finished third Bengals season, playing in 13 games (Games 1-7, 9 and 12-16) ... Played his first eight games on special teams but saw significant action sharing LG spot in Games 12-16 ... Played key role in offense allowing no sacks over final three games ... Active-DNP for Games 8 and 10-11 ... Aided 38:03 possession time and 188-yard team rushing output Dec. 19 vs. Cleveland, both season bests ... Supported 377 net-yard performance with no sacks allowed Dec. 26 vs. San Diego … Aided output on Jan. 2 at Baltimore of 395 net yards and 34:42 possession time
Link:http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/Evan-Mathis/MAT196757
 

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henry...I know.....we share the same outlook. to borrow a line....But I'm trying Ringo...I'm trying real hard to be the Redskin shepherd.....
 

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Great list Serv, thanks. More to the point I like the type of players that make your list.

I'm not in a panic about NT or WR as we drafted some guys there that should at least get a shot to see if they can develop and play. RB will be ok. DE should be ok. We have to come up with O-line answers though.

Keeping Brown at RT is fine with me as long as that hip is ok and we can get him without paying him like a LT. The other options we have on the roster don't look so hot. I've been hoping one of the guys we've drafted might emerge but I haven't seen any of them who look ready yet. You never know what a guy can do till he gets an opportunity sometimes so I'm still holding out hope. Realistically I see two new players on our O-line before we start the season probably a RT and a RG but as most of us agree a younger more talented C would be nice too.

LB depth is a question mark and we have holes at CB and S. Nnamdi Asomugha would change everything, but I think we'd have to overpay vs what a "contender" would have to pay him. Definitely don't want to see him in our division unless he's playing for us.
 

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Definitely don't want to see him in our division unless he's playing for us.
I definitely with you on this, HF. My previous mention of Detroit as a possible landing place for him was partly some "wishful thinking" on my part. Aso unfortunately would be an almost ideal fit for the Iggles most glaring weakness. Yuck.
 

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I definitely with you on this, HF. My previous mention of Detroit as a possible landing place for him was partly some "wishful thinking" on my part. Aso unfortunately would be an almost ideal fit for the Iggles most glaring weakness. Yuck.
Is it wise practice to sign a player you could use to more money than a more practical contract signing like Joseph if it means keeping them away from a division foe?
 

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Sorry, El, I was unclear. I'm not saying we should sign Aso just to keep him out of Philly I'm just hoping he winds up someplace other than the NFCE.

He probably would be the best replacement for 'los you could imagine-but the money he'd cost and the number of needs the 'Skins have could lead to uncomfortable amounts of regret down the line. I'm afraid.
 

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Sorry, El, I was unclear. I'm not saying we should sign Aso just to keep him out of Philly I'm just hoping he winds up someplace other than the NFCE.

He probably would be the best replacement for 'los you could imagine-but the money he'd cost and the number of needs the 'Skins have could lead to uncomfortable amounts of regret down the line. I'm afraid.
No no no! I was making the inference. I was questioning whether you would or not. I have been hearing good things about Joseph and how he would be an ideal CB in our system for a practical salary. In a perfect world that is the direction I would go.

I also think that if Asmougha is going to be courted by Philly, a division rival, I think it would serve us well to go ahead and sign the big money player to a big contract to a.) get a great player who seems to want to play regardless of the money he receives and b.) keep the best corner in the game from going to your foe, a foe who already has one of the top 5 CB's on their team.

Edit: But then it would be just our luck that Rogers, a very solid cover corner, would sign with them. Ugh!
 

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We absolutely MUST find a center. Unlike others, I don't have much faith in our running game as it stands. With a half assed line, we'll be going nowhere on the ground
 

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I agree completely. Rabach has got to be replaced!
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We absolutely MUST find a center. Unlike others, I don't have much faith in our running game as it stands. With a half assed line, we'll be going nowhere on the ground
Sarge, I understand your sentiment and agree on the need for a new center but I'd be inclined toward somebody like Lyle Sendlein from the Cardinals, for one he's a great pass blocker-something we'll need with Portis gone-and second he's only 27 years old.
 

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