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The Giants-Mirror, Mirror on the wall

Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's fans are the most disappointed and pissed-off of all?

Sunday Primetime-the 4-7 Giants and the 3-8 Redskins. Two teams whose fans are looking forward to the offseason because the teams have
underachieved so badly the fans can't talk about anything else with any enthusiasm at all.

This is what I ran into doing this Recon. Giants fans are about as angry, disappointed, and ready to clean house as Redskins fans are-and
that's dominating the fan boards.

A few of the thread titles I saw will give you some idea.

"This Team Needs to be Gutted"

"This is why Coughlin has to go"

Even Kevin Gilbride, the Giants OC has come under fire.

"Tom Coughlin Is Not The Problem Its Kevin Gilbride"

So has Eli.

"Time To Prove Eli Manning's Status Still Warranted"

This thread title alone amazed me.


The consensus, by the way was "Hell No!". Tony's rep is acknowledged by everybody, it seems

Comments were as you might expect given the circumstances.

Some of the Giants fan's comments are eerily familiar.

Dave in N.Westchester

If it was CLEARLY the players, OR coaching OR management, it would be an easier fix. Its hard to say which of the three is most responsible.

That's why I don't see a quick easy fix either. Organizations go in periods of ebb and flow. We have had a wonderfull decade long run, which

followed 13 years of mostly "meh" football (97 and 2000 the exceptions). we are "probably" moving into another period of at best mediocrity. I

lived through the 60's and 70's. this isn't half that bad.


I haven't felt this ****** as a Giants fan in a while, not even at 0-6. This team is a disgrace. The disgusting part is they're improving but

their improvement is hopeless for this season and all the better they look win or lose is all the more likely these coaches will be back.

Management needs to step in and do something about the coordinators.

Was there actual talk about the upcoming game? Well, yes, but not much and most of it was kind of oblique and delivered with little enthusiasm.


Battle of the basement dwellers


Being as it's the Giants, The Skins will be all fired up & RG3 will probably have his best game of the yr against us.

Vegas Steve

The only games remaining on the schedule with a team as bad as we are is the skins (we could win both but as usually we will be out coached or we will beat ourselves.)

All the other teams have real legit QB's and better balanced teams


Now that we are 4-7, Nicks will come and show up every game when its pointless. What a bum


With that Offensive Line, it doesn't matter who they put at QB, they are AWFUL! Some of is cry about our Offensive Line, if you watch

Washington Offensive Line you will appreciate our Offensive Line even more they are AWFUL! I understand why the ref called Trent Williams

"Garbage ***" lol

But with our team something tells me it won't be easy as it should be, just our luck RG3 gets hot and goes off and his Offensive Line finally

decides to start blocking better against us SMH...

There is always at least one unrelenting optimist.


No. NY Giants still have a chance and lets go out and beat Wasington Redskins as well as the rest of our games.

One Game At A Time.

I bELIeve.

After some digging I did find one in-depth analysis of the Redskins from a Giant's perspective done by a Giant's blogger.'s Michael Eisen breaks down the team's Week 13 opponent


Washington’s strength this season has been its offense, which ranks seventh in the NFL with an average of 412.1 yards a game. The Redskins are

second in the league with 155.2 rushing yards a game and first with an average of 5.1 yards a carry. The passing attack is ranked 15th with

256.9 yards a game. Despite those gaudy numbers, Washington is 19th in the league in scoring with an average of 22.4 points a game. The offense

was limited to 190 yards and 10 first downs against the 49ers.

Mike Shanahan has the same cast of offensive players he had in 2012; the only new starter is rookie tight end Jordan Reed, who did not play

against the 49ers because of a concussion. The offense is built around zone reads and includes a mix of the pistol, triple option, option and

misdirection plays. Washington likes to work the intermediate areas in the middle of the field.

Quarterback Robert Griffin III is 10½ months removed from reconstructive surgery on his right knee. Though not as explosive as he was in his

2012 rookie season, RG3 remains an athletic, dual-threat playmaker. He has completed 59.9 percent of his passes and is the team’s second-leading

rusher with 367 yards. Griffin can escape a pass rush and he has a very strong arm that enables him to throw into a tight window. Backup Kirk

Cousins has played just 10 snaps this season.

Second-year running back Alfred Morris is third in the NFL with 970 rushing yards. Last season, he ran for 120 and 124 yards in two games

against the Giants. Morris is a tough, physical first and second down back who gains significant yardage after escaping contact. Roy Helu is an

elusive third down back who lines up in numerous spots, has good cut back ability and is dangerous in the screen game. Fullback Darrel Young

might be the offense’s most improved player. He is a three-tool performer who can run, block and catch. Young scored on a 62-yard reception vs.

Philadelphia two weeks ago, but was inactive against San Francisco with a hamstring injury. Niles Paul, a former wide receiver now listed as a

tight end on the depth chart, played fullback.

Pierre Garcon is Washington’s top receiver; his 75 catches place him second in the NFL and are 30 more than his nearest teammate. Garcon is a

thick, strong, quick-footed receiver with vertical speed and good hands. He quickly recognizes coverages and routinely gains extra yardage after

catching the ball. Joshua Morgan was elevated to the starting lineup when Leonard Hankerson (30 catches and three touchdowns this year) went on

injured reserve last week. Morgan is a possession receiver with the strength to elude press coverage and deceptive speed. Santana Moss, now in

his 13th season, is a crafty, quick-footed slot receiver who can still make plays down the field. Aldrick Robinson is a deep threat. Nick

Williams, Lance Lewis and Josh Bellamy were all recently signed off the practice squad.

Reed, a third round draft choice from Florida, has emerged as Washington’s best tight end. He is second among NFL rookies and on the team with

45 catches, despite missing the 49ers game. Reed is an athletic playmaker who lines up all over the formation. He is also a competitive blocker.

Logan Paulsen is a versatile player who is the team’s best blocking tight end. Paul plays more of an H-back role. Fred Davis, once Washington’s

starting tight end, was inactive for five consecutive games before playing briefly against San Francisco because Reed was sidelined. Davis has

just three receptions this season, none since Week 2.

Washington has a veteran offensive line and has had the same five starters in 27 of the last 28 games. Left tackle Trent Williams was a Pro

Bowler last season. He is a big, physical player with point of attack power and left tackle feet. When he’s on his game, he’s as good as any

tackle in the league. Right tackle Tyler Polumbus has rare height (6-7½) and length and competes hard on every play. Kory Lichtensteiger is a

feisty left guard with the strength to steer defenders off the line of scrimmage. Right guard Chris Chester plays with good pad level and is

strong on contact. Will Montgomery is a smart and savvy center. Tom Compton is deployed as an extra tight end.


Washington’s defense is ranked 28th in the NFL, allowing an average of 389.9 yards a game. The Redskins are 12th in the league against the run

(115.0) and 26th vs. the pass (274.9). The run defense has improved significantly. Washington has not allowed an individual 100-yard rusher and

just one run over 20 yards in the last nine games. Washington is 31st in the league in points allowed at 28.3 a game. Oakland is the only team

to score less than 24 points on Washington this season.

Coordinator Jim Haslett traditionally shows multiple looks and uses a lot of blitzes and stunts. But he has dialed back on his blitz use the

last few weeks. The unit has also been hurt by poor tackling.

The defense lost a starter this week when right end Stephen Bowen was placed on injured reserve with a knee injury. He was replaced by Kedric

Golston. Seven of the 11 defensive starters are 28 or older.

Former Giant Barry Cofield has been Washington’s steadiest defensive lineman. A nose tackle in the base defense and defensive tackle in sub

packages, Cofield has retained his athleticism and speed and is a pass rush threat. Left end Jarvis Jenkins missed the season’s first four games

while serving an NFL suspension. He has a thick body and good play strength and is quick to read schemes. Golston is a high-effort player who

relentlessly pursues ballcarriers. Chris Baker plays about 20 snaps a game. At 340 pounds, he is a space-eater inside.

Outside linebackers Ryan Kerrigan and Brian Orakpo share the team sack lead with 6.5 apiece. Kerrigan, a 2012 Pro Bowler, is a power rusher with

a high motor. He can knock running backs off their feet on contact. Orakpo, a two-time Pro Bowler, is Washington’s best all-around defender.

Like Kerrigan, he is a physical backer who uses a variety of pass rush moves and is strong on his feet. The leader of the defense is 16-year

veteran London Fletcher, who has started 210 consecutive games. Fletcher is an instinctive player who, not surprisingly given his experience, is

difficult to fool. His speed and range aren’t what they used to be, but he is still productive; Fletcher is the team’s second-leading tackler

with 98 (61 solo). Perry Riley, Jr. leads the team with 106 tackles (71 solo). He is quick to the ball in the run game. Nick Barnett is a smart

veteran who plays in the sub packages. Rob Jackson is a rotational player.

Left cornerback DeAngelo Hall is a three-time Pro Bowler who usually covers the opposing team’s top receiver. He leads Washington with three

interceptions, two of which he returned for touchdowns. Josh Wilson had a team-high 11 tackles (eight solo) vs. San Francisco. Quicker rather

than fast, Wilson moves inside to the slot in the nickel. Free safety Brandon Meriweather is a two-time Pro Bowler who played in just one game

last season because of knee injuries, but has made a strong comeback. He is quick to break on the ball when defending the pass and aggressive in

run support. Meriweather is sometimes too aggressive; he was suspended one game for two illegal hits in a game vs. Chicago on Oct. 21. Reed

Doughty is a hard-nosed box safety who is a force vs. the run. Second-round draft choice David Amerson is a speedy corner who plays on the wing

in the sub defenses. E.J. Biggers and rookie Bacarri Rambo are also in the defensive back rotation.


Washington’s special teams have been a problem area all season. The team is 31st in the league in kickoff return average (20.2 yards) and 30th

on punt returns (5.8). Paul is now the primary kickoff returner, an unusual responsibility for a tight end, and Moss has assumed the punt return

duties. The punt coverage team is 32nd, allowing an average return of 18.0 yards, just 2.3 yards less than the fourth-ranked kickoff team.

Against the 49ers, the punt team gave up 14.4 yards per return, more than double San Francisco’s previous average. Punter Sav Rocca’s 34.4-yard

net average leaves him last among the 33 kickers ranked in the NFL’s weekly statistics. At his best, he is a good directional punter with

impressive hang time. Kicker Kai Forbath has made nine of 13 field goal attempts. Washington even lost longtime long-snapper Nick Sundberg to

injury and replaced him with Kyle Nelson.

Pretty complimentary analysis was toward the Skins, actually.

Giants fans replies show a serious lack of confidence.


All that aside I can't help but think that Gilbride and Fewell will make the washington defense and RG3 look pretty good. Then again, maybe

I'm just still smarting over the stupid offensive and defensive play calling of last week.

There were a couple of posters who suggested that the NFL move the game out of Sunday Primetime.

Sadly, I can see the logic there.

Looking at the bright side, if the Giants suck as much as their fans apparently think, the Redskins have a shot at this one.

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