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MikeSr619 said:

He disrespected a lot of people but it was also part of his arsenal. He used that to mentally break his opponents and then beat them up. While I hated it, I understand it as well.

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I don't understand it at all.
Why does he feel the need to play mind games with his opponent ? If he's as physically gifted, and such a far superior talent, as everyone says he is, then why is it necessary to go to such insane lengths to try to get inside their head ?
People usually do that when they're trying to compensate for a weakness.
If he's really the GOAT, why can't he just go in there and take care of business ?

I personally don't think he's GOAT and the P4P best, because I don't think you should be allowed to carry those labels, when you have such glaring weaknesses - which in Silva's case, is obviously his take-down defense and wrestling, which are actually below average.
The GOAT and P4P best, should be very well-rounded, and Silva is not. He's rated that way simply because his skills in one area are vastly superior.

MikeSr619 said:

Im not a fan of what he did but I understand why he did it. He didn't win ten fights in a row by luck and no skill. He has defended his belt more than any UFC fighter ever has. That right there makes him the greatest.

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Agreed 100%.

I see your point, but I can also easily see Jones surpassing that stat.
I think Jones beats Silva head-to-head, even a younger Silva. Jones is more talented and complete package than Silva, and the only thing that's missing, is the stat/accomplishment you mentioned. But it may be just a matter of time.

If you continue to hold your hands by your waist against this level of competition, then eventually you are going to get caught. He pressed his luck one too many times.

I can't wait for the next GSP fight, but I'm afraid he may be going down. I have a feeling that might be the fight of the year.

I've heard several people say they thought Silva threw that fight...

Lanky Livingston said:

I've heard several people say they thought Silva threw that fight...

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There's a LOT of dumb things being said after the fight. LOL
Most of them are excuses by Silva fans.
Is that where you're hearing it from ? Or people with a knowledgeable opinion ?
I like what one guy said. "Silva fans use Silva's ability to successfully showboat, as a reasoning for calling him the greatest. And then they use it as an excuse when he loses"
Well you can't have it both ways.

Fear The Spear said:

There's a LOT of dumb things being said after the fight. LOL
Most of them are excuses by Silva fans.
Is that where you're hearing it from ? Or people with a knowledgeable opinion ?
I like what one guy said. "Silva fans use Silva's ability to successfully showboat, as a reasoning for calling him the greatest. And then they use it as an excuse when he loses"
Well you can't have it both ways.

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I'd say its dumber to completely throw out even the notion that the fight might have been fixed; boxing is notoriously corrupt, its not a stretch to think MMA would be any different. As far as who I've heard say it, just friends on Facebook and some watercooler talk at work, no "experts" or anything. But then again they never say that. I didn't watch the fight, so this is not my opinion - just throwing what I heard out there.

Lanky Livingston said:

I'd say its dumber to completely throw out even the notion that the fight might have been fixed; boxing is notoriously corrupt, its not a stretch to think MMA would be any different.

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I'm not sayin it can't happen in MMA.
I'm sayin it almost certainly didn't have happen in that fight.
If he was going to "throw" the fight, he would have a much more believable time doing it, by yielding to Weidman's submission attempts in Round 1. Not by doing something that would be as dangerous, and obvious-looking, as what he did.
No-one is going to risk their life and their career, by placing their head like a sitting duck in front of the fists of one of the heaviest hitters in the world, and intentionally take those bombs. Weidman could have maimed him, or worse
Boxing is different. Their gloves are a whole lot more padded.

Silva did it because he was over-confident in his ability to dodge and counter, combined with his "strategy" of inducing Weidman to fall into Silva's game.

And there's a difference between people saying it "did" happen, and it "might" have happened. The people who are saying it "did" happen, are probably just making excuses, because they don't like the outcome.

Some people just refuse to accept the reality that Silva is human, beatable, and prone to making mistakes and bad judgment calls.

Lanky Livingston said:

As far as who I've heard say it, just friends on Facebook and some watercooler talk at work, no "experts" or anything. But then again they never say that.

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I'm not talking about TV or paid experts saying it was fixed. I said "knowledgeable". Just anyone more than a casual fan of the sport. I wouldn't expect TV guy to say that either.

Lanky Livingston said:

I'd say its dumber to completely throw out even the notion that the fight might have been fixed; boxing is notoriously corrupt, its not a stretch to think MMA would be any different. As far as who I've heard say it, just friends on Facebook and some watercooler talk at work, no "experts" or anything. But then again they never say that. I didn't watch the fight, so this is not my opinion - just throwing what I heard out there.

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I've read about people saying that the fight was fixed and it's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard following a fight. Not only has this never been an issue for the UFC and MMA in general, but if you go back and watch the fight, Anderson Silva was knocked out hard and took punches to the face while he was out, the finish was 100% real.

Fear The Spear said:

I'm not talking about TV or paid experts saying it was fixed. I said "knowledgeable". Just anyone more than a casual fan of the sport. I wouldn't expect TV guy to say that either.

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Knowledge is relative, I suppose.

#98QBKiller said:

I've read about people saying that the fight was fixed and it's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard following a fight. Not only has this never been an issue for the UFC and MMA in general, but if you go back and watch the fight, Anderson Silva was knocked out hard and took punches to the face while he was out, the finish was 100% real.

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Again, this is not my opinion, this is what I've heard. That's all. I respect that people think its never been a problem, etc. - but it wasn't a problem in the NBA until it was....

I don't believe that fight was fixed, but it's easy to see why people might think that.

Many MMA fights have been fixed, but all of the admissions I have seen regard overseas fights, specifically in Japan. Many US fighters have admitted so. It was very common for Japanese promoters to offers US fighters $50k to come over and lose when the UFC was having problems here in our country.

Aside from the pure denial that Silva could ever be beaten--personally I always believed GSP was better, there are a few other reasons why some would believe the fix was in:

1. The original shot that sent him down didn't look very serious. The next shots on the ground definitely were.

2. The owners of the UFC are two of the most nefarious people on earth. They have been accused of fixing many things--from casinos to politicians to judges. Most of the casual fans, or fans new to the sport don't know anything about them.

McD5 said:

1. The original shot that sent him down didn't look very serious. The next shots on the ground definitely were.

2. The owners of the UFC are two of the most nefarious people on earth. They have been accused of fixing many things--from casinos to politicians to judges. Most of the casual fans, or fans new to the sport don't know anything about them.

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The ground shots are the only thing that keep me from thinking it was a fix (based on very little information, lol)...because those did look pretty serious. FTS has a very valid point there - but I'm sure these fighters do have enormous egos, and probably think taking a couple ground shots is fine.

Lanky Livingston said:

The ground shots are the only thing that keep me from thinking it was a fix

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Silva was out cold before he even hit the ground. He was asleep in mid-air. Theoretically the fight could have been stopped as soon as he hit the turf, and before Weidman got any shots on the ground. The only reason Weidman got those shots in was because Herb Dean was not in a position to stop it right away. Dean was way out of position, and had to make quite a run to stop it. Dean was probably as shocked as anyone that Silva was out cold.

Weidman going through security at the Vegas airport yesterday:





More shots of Weidman ending the fight:

Stephan Bonnar would like to pile on, and join in on 98's picture show

Yea I would have suspected roids just from looking at that pic, alone.
It does not look natural.

Sorry I'm late to the thread, frequented the "other" sites MMA thread on the regular, so here's my $.02

EXCELLENT card! Some very good fights and feel it was definitely worth the $$$. But before I get into specifics on the obvious fight, let me say this; the minute someone kicked me in the leg like some of these guys get kicked, I think I'd do a standing tap or something. Lol...those kicks are freaking BRUTAL. There's plenty of guys who throw them kind of like a jab, gauging distance, backing a guy up or setting up something; and then there's guys that use them as a serious ass weapon. I mean, holy crap! Oh yea, add foot stomps to that list as well.

As for Silva/Weidman...I've been on the record for a very long time, and although I've come around a little, I still don't see Silva as the GOAT. I know, I know, how can I say such a thing! But for me it's simple, when you look at Silva's fights he's spectacular against wrecklessly agressive fighters. His bread and butter is counter punching and using his length. When his opponents don't play his game, ala Maia, you get a 5 round snore fest. If he's so physically gifted, go in there and knock your opponent the hell out! If they're afraid to strike with you, exploit their timidness and hurt them! If you have such an amazing BJJ game, why would not take him down and beat him up? Fedor didn't run from anybody, no matter where the fight went, just saying. Even GSP has gotten better at mixing it up lately, at least when he takes a guy down over and over again, the other fighter has a chance to do some damage, submit, out wrestle or get close enough to land a few strikes.

Now, as for Weidman; how can you not give this guy his due? He fought a PERFECT fight! He didn't lay back in fear like a lot of guys have; typically when Silva goes into his antics his opponent is either careless and gets caught or they're so afraid of getting caught they don't engage. Weidman didn't deviate from his gameplan and listened to his coach. After the takedowns Silva wanted to keep his distance and tried goading Weidman, it simply didn't work, he kept trying to "punch a hole in Silva's chest".

Another thing I noticed during the weigh-ins was Weidmans size compared Silva; same height and he actually had the same reach, that was a difference maker IMO. Silva couldn't get back far enough and Weidman kept coming forward, in a nutshell, that was the key to this fight.

I don't care what Munoz says, he's no match for Weidman, bring it!

I want GSP/Silva now! Make it happen!

MikeSr619 said:

Please give me some examples (real ones, not just "I've heard" )of the owners being corrupt and fixing things.

Japan has nothing to do with the US just like canadian football has nothing to do with the NFL.

There has NEVER been an accusation of corruption in the UFC. So unless there is real proof offered this is all just weak.

A weak shot to his jaw? He was leaning backwards. If you look at the stills of it his jaw is pushed sideways. I wonder how many punches the accuser has taken or given to make himself an expert of what is considered a "weak punch". I know from fighting it doesnt take much at all but just the right spot to knock someone off balance or out.

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The Fertittas are one of the oldest, and biggest mafia crime families in the country. There are literally thousands of pages on the internet of court hearings, murders, jail time, fraud, playoffs etc. for multiple family members and their associates. They are the real version of "Goodfellas."

Their life story reads like a movie script, and a person could spend days on the internet reading about all of their crimes. They have run a large part of Vegas since the 1940s.

It's also much of the reason why they have made Dana White the face of the UFC. They stay in the background.

If anyone ever has an hour, or fifteen to kill, you can google a few of the following terms to learn about them:

Fertitta crime family
Fertitta fraud, scumbags, jail, bankruptcy etc.
Xyience fraud--this is one of their most recent scams, where they have scammed many of the fighters on the UFC roster, and investors.
Xyiencesucks.com--this site alone would take a week to read.

Russel Pike sentenced (Dana White's high school best friend)

There's no question about the family. I'd start by simply googling Fertitta crime family.

Dazed, good to see you. I agree on the leg kicks--some of them are just amazing.

And like you, I'd love to see GSP/Silva while both are still in or close to their primes. Unfortunately, that fight is probably still a few years away.

Would anyone pick Weidman in a rematch ?