Official Game Thread - Preseason Week 2 - Commander @ Lions

[skinsinparadise]

Let Zaccheus go to the Bears, we will find our own new version of him -- KJ Osborn, Michael Gallup, Chris Moore. Hello? We go as Josh Harris says Adam F'ing Peters running the team -- he will pull it off.

Eagles want Dejean? We will get the last laugh. Remember Peters in that video draft special grinning ear to ear about getting Sainristil AND Sinnott? Going to Joe Whitt, you like picks? you got it. Bringing Kliff over and Quinn and grinning about Sinnott embodies their definition of a "Commander".

Outbidding the Ravens for Lattimore. And then doublling down by paying him almost 20 million to bring him back.

Heck even letting Chris Rodriguez go is interesting. He was a good power runner for them. He got more than twice than any of Washington's backs got in FA. Maybe the joke is on Liam Coen who coached Rodriguez in college.

Jim Harbaugh was is an offensive guy and played QB in the NFL -- maybe the joke is on him that he didn't know that he paid good money for a center who is meh at best.

You got me. Some of Peters bold decisions have worked out, some have clearly not worked out. For me he hasn't earned implicit trust. I got to see how it plays out. But center right now is looking ugly. And if we gave them truth sereum I seriously doubt they'd rather have a banged up Allegretti and Good-Jones with all the reports in camp about how bad the O line looks (Tischler mentions this too in a recent podcast) in camp -- over what the status quo was pre that release. Look maybe it turns their way and the perfect player gets released for them to shore up that spot. I hope so. But for this moment in time, I seriously doubt they foresaw they'd be in late August with even their head coach citing how they need to figure out center.

 

[NickyJ]

To be fair, we've seen what can happen when an offensive lineman gets benched from his starting job when the team tries to replace him. Andrew Wylie got signed for $24 million dollars on a three year contract from 2023 to 2025. He started for 2023 and 2024. When the team replaced him with Connerly in 2025, the whole team took a nose dive. The locker room was probably so toxic that they couldn't wait to get rid of him. They insulted Wylie to his face by not just looking for a replacement, but actually doing it, and with a first round draft pick just to stomp extra hard on his ego for how badly they wanted to push him down the depth chart. I can't imagine Wylie would ever want to do business with us again.

 

[KDawg]

To be fair, we've seen what can happen when an offensive lineman gets benched from his starting job when the team tries to replace him. Andrew Wylie got signed for $24 million dollars on a three year contract from 2023 to 2025. He started for 2023 and 2024. When the team replaced him with Connerly in 2025, the whole team took a nose dive. The locker room was probably so toxic that they couldn't wait to get rid of him. They insulted Wylie to his face by not just looking for a replacement, but actually doing it, and with a first round draft pick just to stomp extra hard on his ego for how badly they wanted to push him down the depth chart. I can't imagine Wylie would ever want to do business with us again.

Your posts are great because I always start off thinking they’re serious.

 

[Skintime]

Let Zaccheus go to the Bears, we will find our own new version of him -- KJ Osborn, Michael Gallup, Chris Moore. Hello? We go as Josh Harris says Adam F'ing Peters running the team -- he will pull it off.

Eagles want Dejean? We will get the last laugh. Remember Peters in that video draft special grinning ear to ear about getting Sainristil AND Sinnott? Going to Joe Whitt, you like picks? you got it. Bringing Kliff over and Quinn and grinning about Sinnott embodies their definition of a "Commander".

Outbidding the Ravens for Lattimore. And then doublling down by paying him almost 20 million to bring him back.

Heck even letting Chris Rodriguez go is interesting. He was a good power runner for them. He got more than twice than any of Washington's backs got in FA. Maybe the joke is on Liam Coen who coached Rodriguez in college.

Jim Harbaugh was is an offensive guy and played QB in the NFL -- maybe the joke is on him that he didn't know that he paid good money for a center who is meh at best.

You got me. Some of Peters bold decisions have worked out, some have clearly not worked out. For me he hasn't earned implicit trust. I got to see how it plays out. But center right now is looking ugly. And if we gave them truth sereum I seriously doubt they'd rather have a banged up Allegretti and Good-Jones with all the reports in camp about how bad the O line looks (Tischler mentions this too in a recent podcast) in camp -- over what the status quo was pre that release. Look maybe it turns their way and the perfect player gets released for them to shore up that spot. I hope so. But for this moment in time, I seriously doubt they foresaw they'd be in late August with even their head coach citing how they need to figure out center.

Don't forget giving up Chinn, that was another WTF moment for me.

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

This is silly. Teams try and fail to replace guys all the time and it doesn’t always involve cutting the incumbents they’re trying to improve upon before they do a single thing. Sometimes those efforts get made public, sometimes they don’t. But you don’t automatically have to cut a guy you want to improve upon or risk the locker room blowing up. It happens all the time, it’s a business. McCaffrey didn’t shoot up the locker room because we failed to sign the replacement WR’s we were very publicly chasing.

And you place WAY too much weight on the scuttlebutt that they simply couldn’t move forward with his line calls. I’m not saying they didn’t feel that way, I’m saying they have a toddler OC who may or may not have an accurate idea of what he needs, and you’re giving the FO the benefit of the doubt when they’ve failed on personnel so many times in the last three offseasons.

You (and they) may be right. But you fail to even acknowledge the possibility that they may be wrong, might have made the wrong decision, and that a physically functional starting C who isn’t the smartest guy in the world might actually be a better option than a backup who sucks at everything.

I don’t know why your posts on this topic ALWAYS proceed with the assumption that this regime made a good and rational decision with Biadasz when we’ve seen them make a lot of bad decisions in a short amount of time. Why are you so dismissive about the idea that they could’ve jumped the gun and gotten it wrong? Why does it bother you so much that people question this decision, the rationale of which you didn’t convince yourself of until after the move was over and done with?

They made a rash decision, miscalculated their shot at Linderbaum, failed to execute a plan B or even C, and have since tried selling us a pile of donkey shit by elevating a backup who was already here as depth, and advertising him as a secret genius who’ll unlock the line calls which that poor illiterate dumbo Biadasz never could’ve executed. And don’t even get me started on Good-Jones as the backup and the rookie developmental emergency plan.

They screwed this situation up royally to save a few bucks on a guy they didn’t love, many people here called it from day one as a questionable situation, but you’re very locked in on dismissively explaining away the choice as if it was so obvious (it wasn’t at all, it was actually quite confusing unless you’ve convinced yourself in the meantime that Biadasz was secretly a total disaster unworthy of making the line calls in an unproven offense)

You describe Biadasz as “the definition of replaceable” and yet they completely failed to replace him. Doesn’t that earn them an even lower grade in your book than just keeping Biadasz would’ve led to?

Teams keep guys they try to replace all the time, your sweeping declaration that it’s impossible is just wrong. Teams are stuck with expensive backup contracts all the time, your sweeping declaration that it was impossible to keep him on that contract is also wrong, they just weren’t “stuck” with the money on their cap and decided they didn’t want to pay it. But they absolutely could have, and that player actually got a raise in FA so it would seem he was worth the salary to guard against the emergency we’re currently in.

Now maybe he wouldn’t gotten injured here as well, who knows. But your certainty on this whole topic just strikes me as so over-the-top, as soon as you accepted the team’s narrative on the Biadasz release you stopped understanding people questioning it at all until it started irritating you to even see it discussed, and now you have a really hardline stance on it. But why do you trust this FO so implicitly to know what they’re doing when they’ve fumbled entire position groups before? The NFL is unpredictable

Who's grading them high on anything?

Three basic points:

1. They made the evaluation they didn't want him. They might be right, they might be wrong. I don't think Biadasz was great. But he deserves one of the 32 starting jobs in the NFL. He's replacement level, maybe slightly above. If they want better, fine by me.
2. Because they decided they wanted something else, they had to release him. They couldn't keep him and try to replace him.
3. They have completely failed to replace him. And for that they should be scored, shunned and ridiculed. I don't have a big problem with Allegretti as the starter, but if you're going to release Biadasz, you have to at the very minimum sign one or two guys to actually compete with Allegretti, and not this face competition with JGG.

The only point I've ever really pushed back on is they could keep Biadasz and try and replace him at the same time. Either keep him and move on, or get rid of him and replace him.

So far, they got rid of him and haven't replaced him. The position is a mess because of it.

I'm not defending Peters' inability to find a competent center at all.

 

[The Rook]

I would really like it if there was a Biadasz thread where all the "new" repeat comments about "should have/shouldn't have ..." could be posted.

The Rook

 

[skinsinparadise]

Don't forget giving up Chinn, that was another WTF moment for me.

And they replaced him with a cheaper Will Harris, who now looks like he might not even make the team.

If people want to argue that Peters has the courage of his convictions — that he'll make a bold personnel decision and stick with it — I agree. He's absolutely willing to plant his flag and ride it out. But being bold isn't the same thing as being right.
And yeah, releasing Biadasz and effectively replacing him with a guard who struggled last year and had barely played center in the NFL — without already having competent competition for Allegretti in the building — was certainly bold. The problem is that Peters' track record on these "we can let this guy go and replace him with that guy" moves hasn't exactly been great.

They let Fowler, their best pass rusher in 2024, walk. Granted, he didn't light it up in Dallas, but apparently he was effective in spot duty — and more importantly, Washington sure as hell could've used him in 2025. Letting Zaccheaus walk was another miss. They clearly believed they could replace him, and they clearly didn't. Now we have the Biadasz gamble. And while I wasn't crying when they let Rodriguez go, I do find it interesting how much Jacksonville paid him. They gave Rodriguez more than double what Peters paid White and J. Ford combined.

So yeah, maybe the answer is simply to trust Peters' gut on these moves. But that's easier to do when the gut keeps being right. So far, when Peters has decided a solid player is expendable because he believes he can replace him cheaper or better, I'd argue there have been more misses than hits. That's why I'm not automatically giving him the benefit of the doubt on Biadasz.

We can say the last laugh is usually on the other team that acquires the player from this team. But so far its the easier bet is the joke will be on this team.

 

[Conn]

Because they decided they wanted something else, they had to release him. They couldn't keep him and try to replace him.

This was not correct, is still not correct, and will continue to be incorrect and it’s the crux of peoples’ disagreement with you, from what I’ve seen.

They have completely failed to replace him. And for that they should be scored, shunned and ridiculed. I don't have a big problem with Allegretti as the starter, but if you're going to release Biadasz, you have to at the very minimum sign one or two guys to actually compete with Allegretti, and not this face competition with JGG.

Fair and agreed, I just find your stubbornness on the previous point puzzling (and your willingness to fully buy into the staff’s narrative for wanting to replace Biadasz as if it’s gospel, in light of their many other errors, when you admit that you don’t know if they were right or not. Okay, then why are we disagreeing so strongly on that point? They may have erred!)

 

[Dah-Dee]

And they replaced him with a cheaper Will Harris, who now looks like he might not even make the team.

If people want to argue that Peters has the courage of his convictions — that he'll make a bold personnel decision and stick with it — I agree. He's absolutely willing to plant his flag and ride it out. But being bold isn't the same thing as being right.
And yeah, releasing Biadasz and effectively replacing him with a guard who struggled last year and had barely played center in the NFL — without already having competent competition for Allegretti in the building — was certainly bold. The problem is that Peters' track record on these "we can let this guy go and replace him with that guy" moves hasn't exactly been great.

They let Fowler, their best pass rusher in 2024, walk. Granted, he didn't light it up in Dallas, but apparently he was effective in spot duty — and more importantly, Washington sure as hell could've used him in 2025. Letting Zaccheaus walk was another miss. They clearly believed they could replace him, and they clearly didn't. Now we have the Biadasz gamble. And while I wasn't crying when they let Rodriguez go, I do find it interesting how much Jacksonville paid him. They gave Rodriguez more than double what Peters paid White and J. Ford combined.

So yeah, maybe the answer is simply to trust Peters' gut on these moves. But that's easier to do when the gut keeps being right. So far, when Peters has decided a solid player is expendable because he believes he can replace him cheaper or better, I'd argue there have been more misses than hits. That's why I'm not automatically giving him the benefit of the doubt on Biadasz.

We can say the last laugh is usually on the other team that acquires the player from this team. But so far its the easier bet is the joke will be on this team.

Good stuff. I'd argue that it feels like sometimes folks are confusing being reckless for being bold, specifically for example on Biadasz. You don't release the starter unkless you KNOW you've got the replacement nailed down. Obviously not the case here. You especially don't pull that stunt if you've already gotten burned doing it previously, like with multiple players discussed in this post and elsewhere in the thread. The way Peters handled our situation at center wasn't bold at all, it was reckless and negligent and arrogrant and stubborn.