The All Things Offensive Line Thread

[SkinsLife]

I don't agree with basically any of this.

1. Trading for Tunsil has nothing to do with Coleman. If you have the opportunity to go get a top-3 LT, you do it. Period. Unless you have a top-3 LT on the roster. Which, while Coleman
2. He was better than passable in 2024. He was also a rookie.
3. In 3 games in 2025 when he subbed in for Tunsil, he had a 2.8% pressure rate and allowed 0 sacks.
4. Conerly had a tough start to his rookie season, and then was really, really good as the season went on.

I think for some reason there is this thought rookies should come in and be at their peak in the first drive of the first preseason game. There are people on the board already passing judgement on our 2026 rookies. I mean, come on.

Players improve and grow. Coleman showed he could play LT in 2024. He played well in 2025 given the opportunity. What landed him in the doghouse last year was his inability to stay healthy. That hasn't been a problem this year.

We'll see how it plays out.

I'm more interested in Paul's limitations and Allegretti's inexperience at Center at the NFL level. However, he was a center prior to entering the NFL. Also, when Biadasz went out, he did the line calls, not the backup center, which is somewhat telling as well.

We can agree to disagree then.. sure, you can believe what all the mediots are peddling. "coleman was really good, but Tunisl is just better" but cmon.. common sense would say something different.
Coleman was healthy most of 24. his injury history really started after.. If you have a rookie that played "pretty well" in 24 and you think he will grow and get better you dont give up a bunch of pics for an LT(even top 5LT), knowing you'll have to also give him the richest LT contract especially when you have other holes on oline. If you hit on a good LT thats also incredibly cheap as a 3rd round pick, you take advantage and use cap and picks to build the rest of the team. ..and its not like Tunsil didnt have his share of ???. He had an injury history, not young, and was presented as not much of a leader and being all about the money.
This year will be very telling on Coleman... if he plays well and stays healthy - thats awesome.. he is lining himself up for a big extension with this team or next after 27 and helps the team hopefully win.

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

We can agree to disagree then.. sure, you can believe what all the mediots are peddling. "coleman was really good, but Tunisl is just better" but cmon.. common sense would say something different.
Coleman was healthy most of 24. his injury history really started after.. If you have a rookie that played "pretty well" in 24 and you think he will grow and get better you dont give up a bunch of pics for an LT(even top 5LT), knowing you'll have to also give him the richest LT contract especially when you have other holes on oline. If you hit on a good LT thats also incredibly cheap as a 3rd round pick, you take advantage and use cap and picks to build the rest of the team. ..and its not like Tunsil didnt have his share of ???. He had an injury history, not young, and was presented as not much of a leader and being all about the money.
This year will be very telling on Coleman... if he plays well and stays healthy - thats awesome.. he is lining himself up for a big extension with this team or next after 27 and helps the team hopefully win.

1. I think it's ironic you say that I am buying what the media is selling. I think if you ask anybody, I am probably the most cynical poster about the media on the board. I form my own opinions based on listening to a lot of the reporters, and then also looking at statistics, and also just paying attention.

2. Tunsil is a top 3 LT in the NFL. That's really not debatable. If your point is Tunsil is not a top 3 LT in the NFL, well I'm sorry, I can't help you. He is, and it's basically consensus amongst just about everybody, players, coaches, media and executives. There are 28-29 other teams who would flip their LT for Tunsil tomorrow. Coleman is not that guy. You get that guy if you can.

3. Coleman was good. Tunsil is great. Coleman's ceiling is not as high as Tunsil's floor.

4. Coleman was actually hurt through most of 2024 training camp, which is why he had to split time early in the season with Lucas. And then he got hurt again in TC in 2025, and eventually they got frustrated he couldn't stay on the field.

I'm not some huge Coleman fan or detractor. I think he's an above replacement level NFL Starting OL player. That's really valuable. But he's not an all-pro level player. If you can get an all pro level player, you go out and do it.

 

[SkinsLife]

1. I think it's ironic you say that I am buying what the media is selling. I think if you ask anybody, I am probably the most cynical poster about the media on the board. I form my own opinions based on listening to a lot of the reporters, and then also looking at statistics, and also just paying attention.

2. Tunsil is a top 3 LT in the NFL. That's really not debatable. If your point is Tunsil is not a top 3 LT in the NFL, well I'm sorry, I can't help you. He is, and it's basically consensus amongst just about everybody, players, coaches, media and executives. There are 28-29 other teams who would flip their LT for Tunsil tomorrow. Coleman is not that guy. You get that guy if you can.

3. Coleman was good. Tunsil is great. Coleman's ceiling is not as high as Tunsil's floor.

4. Coleman was actually hurt through most of 2024 training camp, which is why he had to split time early in the season with Lucas. And then he got hurt again in TC in 2025, and eventually they got frustrated he couldn't stay on the field.

I'm not some huge Coleman fan or detractor. I think he's an above replacement level NFL Starting OL player. That's really valuable. But he's not an all-pro level player. If you can get an all pro level player, you go out and do it.

PFF ranked Tunsil 6th and ESPN 5th best. .. so thats not top 3... but still very good, not arguing that point.
Also, dont agree that Conerly finished all that strong.. he was better then the first half of season, but not all that much. Plus the last few weeks he was playing mostly against teams that didnt have much to play for.

 

[burgold]

1. I think it's ironic you say that I am buying what the media is selling. I think if you ask anybody, I am probably the most cynical poster about the media on the board. I form my own opinions based on listening to a lot of the reporters, and then also looking at statistics, and also just paying attention.

Nah, the most cynical player is clearly Conn. I mean at first I thought his username was about the state he live in. Then, I realized it was a state of mind thing because no matter what the subject is he always takes the Con position.

(Love ya, Conn)

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

Nah, the most cynical player is clearly Conn. I mean at first I thought his username was about the state he live in. Then, I realized it was a state of mind thing because no matter what the subject is he always takes the Con position.

(Love ya, Conn)

Conn out here catching strays. Lay off my guy.

I actually don't find Conn cynical at all.

As far as the media goes, I past skeptical about 7 years ago and made a hard right turn to cynical. And I acknowledge and own it.

 

[burgold]

Conn out here catching strays. Lay off my guy.

I actually don't find Conn cynical at all.

As far as the media goes, I past skeptical about 7 years ago and made a hard right turn to cynical. And I acknowledge and own it.

Are you kidding? Conn is like Bill Shatner. You ask him if he's in favor of something and he shouts

"Connnnnnnnnnnnn!"

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

Are you kidding? Conn is like Bill Shatner. You ask him if he's in favor of something and he shouts

"Connnnnnnnnnnnn!"

Conn I'm trying to defend your honor here but I might fail….

 

[Conn]

I can’t explain what somebody did to this gif lol, let’s not question it

 

[bowhunter]

I can’t explain what somebody did to this gif lol, let’s not question it

Obviously wasn't from a Choosy Mother....

 

[NoCalSkins]

Losing a top 3 LT is never going to not be a blow to the line, but it doesn't mean the next man up isn't going to be good. Remember when Trent would get hurt and Ty Nseke was dragged from the grave to start and while he was no Trent, he held his own.

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

Ty Nseke

 

[NoCalSkins]

My memory isn't nearly as good as it used to be, but some names just etch themselves into the brain!

 

[NickyJ]

Willie Smith also did pretty good in his rookie season despite being undrafted. I still don't get how Tyler Polumbus made the team over him, but I guess Smith was a one year wonder considering nobody else kept him for long either. I have a little fear that Coleman will end up being the same, but with more investment in trying to get the most out of a third round pick.

 

[method man]

Willie Smith also did pretty good in his rookie season despite being undrafted. I still don't get how Tyler Polumbus made the team over him, but I guess Smith was a one year wonder considering nobody else kept him for long either. I have a little fear that Coleman will end up being the same, but with more investment in trying to get the most out of a third round pick.

I got to meet and chat with Willie Smith a few years ago. He's now a real estate agent in Greenville, NC

 

[method man]

I always thought Becton could be an Ereck Flowers type reclamation project with his tools after he was cut by his first team, but I guess it hasn’t worked out for him

He played at a Pro Bowl level in Philly in 2024 but yeah was a flop with the Chargers last year. You'd think Philly would bring him back

 

[method man]

I haven’t heard much news about Gulbin in camp, but it sounds like he played well. It would be a big help to our interior line depth if we could get him up to speed fast.

We're best off if Gulbin is the last OL to make the 53 on the depth chart. It was a huge mistake for this group to not get a veteran backup center like a Hennessey or a Cushenberry. I guess Brunskill kind of counts

 

[DWinzit]

We're best off if Gulbin is the last OL to make the 53 on the depth chart. It was a huge mistake for this group to not get a veteran backup center like a Hennessey or a Cushenberry. I guess Brunskill kind of counts

Yeah I thought a guy like Cushenberry would have been good competition for Allegretti

 

[SkinsNumberOne]

We're best off if Gulbin is the last OL to make the 53 on the depth chart. It was a huge mistake for this group to not get a veteran backup center like a Hennessey or a Cushenberry. I guess Brunskill kind of counts

This may be a factor of AP and could also be a factor of an inexperienced OL coach. Maybe a more experienced coach goes to AP and emphasizes our needs there.

 

[method man]

This may be a factor of AP and could also be a factor of an inexperienced OL coach. Maybe a more experienced coach goes to AP and emphasizes our needs there.

It’s negligence by AP to not have had a better no. 2 center option than Julian Good Jones given how deep center was in FA and the draft

 

[burgold]

It’s negligence by AP to not have had a better no. 2 center option than Julian Good Jones given how deep center was in FA and the draft

This is hard to argue. There's a tiny part of me that thinks Peters' ego wrapped up in this. He got so much pushback for cutting Biadasz that he wanted Allegretti to be the starter and wasn't willing to hedge his bets. I don't know if it went so far as he was unwilling to sign another quality center to have an honest competition with because they did make an honest effort to get Linderbaum, but I think L might have been a different case since the league agreed he was "elite."

Glad as I am to get Williams and awful as our WR room seemed there was a part of me really pulling for us to get a center in the third round. In any case, I knew the third round was going to be a "needs" pick.