2025 Washington Commanders- All Things Defense

Last week the Lions sat 6 players due to injury, the same number as Washington. Their injury report from 11/10 including Injured Reserve consists of 17 players. Washington has 11. Last season the Lion's secondary was decimated, they were starting multiple players who were sitting on their couch. Hutchison was gone early too and they still went 15-2.

Yes we lost Terry and Jayden, other teams have lost star players as well. It was bad this season no doubt. But this is not the reason their season is over.

I think the reason the season is over is a combination of WR-QB injuries, Edge and now CB. Yes, they've had plenty of others. But there really isn't anything to drive the offense or defense. There is zero to hang your hat on.

If the Lions last year were Hendon Hooker throwing to Jaylin Lane, Chris Moore and Robbie Chosen along with their defensive injuries their season would have almost for sure fallen apart.

But heck in 2024 you still got Jared Goff, J. Gibbs, St. Brown, Laporta, J, Williams, with a killer O line, that's one heck of a group.

If Washington had a crap defense but also Jayden starting, J, Gibbs, Laporta, J. Williams, St. Brown and maybe the best O line in the league, they'd likey win at least 11 games.

Injuries I do think is the reason the season is over. I do think there were holes on the roster and piss poor defensive coaching. But if they had a normal amount of injuries versus this insane number, I'd think they end the season worst case 8-9 but I wouldn't be surprised if it was 10-7.

Sheehan mentioned asking Keim who has covered this team for 25 or so years and Keim told him this team has never had a season with this number of injuries.
 
Frankly, I think this is the season that teaches you what you have in your coaches. I didn't dislike some aspects of DQ's handling of this situation, but I did not like others. I personally feel like he struggles a bit to communicate clearly at the podium, and I think that is a problematic head coaching trait. I think when guys don't get HC jobs, sometimes we see why at the podium. When they are interviewed, I know one of the absolute must-have traits the upper-management is looking for is the ability to clearly communicate. He needs to be able to communicate to his coordinators and the upper-level guys, plus he ideally can connect with the guys on his team.

I tend to agree with what skinsinparadise said, although I didn't read any book about it (he was quoting Arians). The Xs and Os are complicated, and a well oiled organization would ideally have those handled by coordinators even if the HC "can" do that job. I am pretty sure that's how Nick (Eagles) does it, as well as John (Ravens), and I suspect Jim (Chargers). There are other successful HCs (Shanahan/9ers, Reid/Chiefs) who don't do it that way, and that's fine if you can make it work; but if you have the skill to find/evaluate/hire talented people, you can build a sustainable winner and a talent factory (coaching and players).

My thinking right now is DQ lacks this, unfortunately, and it may take years for the team to fully discover or admit that. Not sure. The fact that we saw Joe Whitt's problems this late isn't necessarily an excuse for him to see it this late; also, there are other issues I have with his structure and coach selection.

As for his assistants, I have problems with both. Definitely not that we're losing given the injuries, but I see too many opportunities left on the table that feel very avoidable. When your team is relatively talented (or at least has a huge advantage at QB), sometimes you don't even see the holes in your coordinators. When the team is injured, though - I think you don't say "Well that's injuries!" - I think you are ideally looking at it and at the least taking some notes on what you may be seeing as issues. You may be seeing problems that are masked in other circumstances, but may prevent you from reaching your goals if they are left unaddressed.

Every season, you get more information on how/whether your team has the right people and structure. Good/bad seasons, injured/healthy - you get data. Marty's 8-8 season, I felt pretty good going into the next season in some ways. Marty's treatment of DG had rubbed me the wrong way (man I hated that), but I was pleased he got us to 8-8 and thought it was pretty good coaching in a lot of ways. Then Dan was Dan. You see, that (as usual for Dan!) was the *exact opposite* of what you want your org to be doing; evaluating and acting upon that data rationally.
 
Frankly, I think this is the season that teaches you what you have in your coaches. I didn't dislike some aspects of DQ's handling of this situation, but I did not like others. I personally feel like he struggles a bit to communicate clearly at the podium, and I think that is a problematic head coaching trait. I think when guys don't get HC jobs, sometimes we see why at the podium. When they are interviewed, I know one of the absolute must-have traits the upper-management is looking for is the ability to clearly communicate. He needs to be able to communicate to his coordinators and the upper-level guys, plus he ideally can connect with the guys on his team.

I tend to agree with what skinsinparadise said, although I didn't read any book about it (he was quoting Arians). The Xs and Os are complicated, and a well oiled organization would ideally have those handled by coordinators even if the HC "can" do that job. I am pretty sure that's how Nick (Eagles) does it, as well as John (Ravens), and I suspect Jim (Chargers). There are other successful HCs (Shanahan/9ers, Reid/Chiefs) who don't do it that way, and that's fine if you can make it work; but if you have the skill to find/evaluate/hire talented people, you can build a sustainable winner and a talent factory (coaching and players).

My thinking right now is DQ lacks this, unfortunately, and it may take years for the team to fully discover or admit that. Not sure. The fact that we saw Joe Whitt's problems this late isn't necessarily an excuse for him to see it this late; also, there are other issues I have with his structure and coach selection.

As for his assistants, I have problems with both. Definitely not that we're losing given the injuries, but I see too many opportunities left on the table that feel very avoidable. When your team is relatively talented (or at least has a huge advantage at QB), sometimes you don't even see the holes in your coordinators. When the team is injured, though - I think you don't say "Well that's injuries!" - I think you are ideally looking at it and at the least taking some notes on what you may be seeing as issues. You may be seeing problems that are masked in other circumstances, but may prevent you from reaching your goals if they are left unaddressed.

Every season, you get more information on how/whether your team has the right people and structure. Good/bad seasons, injured/healthy - you get data. Marty's 8-8 season, I felt pretty good going into the next season in some ways. Marty's treatment of DG had rubbed me the wrong way (man I hated that), but I was pleased he got us to 8-8 and thought it was pretty good coaching in a lot of ways. Then Dan was Dan. You see, that (as usual for Dan!) was the *exact opposite* of what you want your org to be doing; evaluating and acting upon that data rationally.
You could be onto something with DQ with his communications skills. He easily could have gotten by on his players coach persona which is easier when not thee head coach.

Regarding X's and O's I figure he must be pretty decent at it. I question more of Whitt's ability to understand and negotiate them. It's easy to say we are going to run and hit and create lots of turnovers. But we really have seen none of that., which leads to personnel questions. What is scary is why didn't DQ see this being around him so much?
 
Losing Armstrong’s has definitely hurt, but the difference in opponents is massive as well - Giants and Chargers olines were terrible, Caleb Williams holds the ball, Penix stood in there to deliver big throws, and the Raiders stink. Compare that to Dallas/KC/Seattle/Detroit - some of the best olines and offenses.
 
My first thought is that while Detroit’s D probably lost far more last year than we have this year, they were also starting from a much, much better point than we were. On top of that, they had an elite offense to take up some of the slack. My presumption is that they have better coaching on the defensive side as well.

As far as coaching, I feel for Whitt. Not that I believe he’s a quality DC, but he hasn’t been dealt the best hand either.
When he’s committed bodies to stopping the run, we had some success on that front. But that leads to Wagner playing man against a back, no safety help for Lattimore or Sainristil, etc. We’ve had some success with putting pressure on qbs (especially early in the season), but that pressure doesn’t amount to much when guys are running free and the qb can unload the ball before the pressure gets to him. The defense has also had to deal with a number of key turnovers by our O and even ST, and far more stalled drives then last year. And then just generally, the already lackluster defensive roster has had it’s issues compounded by injuries. Tough break for Whitt.

I’ll add that while I agree that too much can be made of the “well, he’s trying different things” point, he’s also having to try these things after (likely) not practicing them in the offseason. On top of that, I’d guess that our D looked far better in practices going against an offense that was missing key players (Terry most notably) and with Allegretti and Conerly on the line. Which might explain the staff feeling like Quan was due for a big year, among other things. Now, with that all said, it’s still ridiculous to have this degree of confusion, guys wide open consistently, and the D looking this porous against the run. It’s quite apparent that offenses can see us stacking the box and just play pitch and catch, or see a light box (as we drop an extra body into coverage) and running it down our throats… and I have to think that’s an area where coaching (or lack thereof) matters.
The thing is the defense has not been ravaged by injuries. Armstrong is a good player. By the time he was injured the season was already lost. Mostly because of the defense. Lattimore was playing like crap so we can't blame his injury. So we are really talking about the loss of Will Harris and Wise along with Bapstiste later.

Every team in the league has dealt with worse injuries to their defense
 
As we talk defensive coordinator options, it is actually not Gannon who calls the defense in Arizona. It is 32 year old Nick Rallis. Apparently, he is whiz kid who is extremely creative with his blitz packages. See here.

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I think the odds on favorite to be our DC next year is Jeff Ullbrich. He was with DQ in Seattle and was on DQ's staff in Atlanta his full tenure and was assistant head coach in DQ's final season. He did a great job with the Jets under Saleh and his defense in Atlanta is top 10 in DVOA (top 5 in passing DVOA and #24 in rushing DVOA). The latter can be blamed a bit on the personnel Fontenot gave him where the interior linemen are weak sans Onyamata and the edge rushers are all not known for being good against the run.

Odds have Raheem Morris as the next coach to get canned as this season has been a disaster for the Falcons after the all in move of trading what will now be a top 10 pick to go get Pearce.

While Rales feels the most intriguing given the defensive McVay vibes, Ullbrich would be a great get and would feel like a big upgrade over Whitt.
 
I think the odds on favorite to be our DC next year is Jeff Ullbrich.
That's actually a really good call--I didn't think about Morris getting fired, since this is only his second year. I would love Ulbrich
 
If you guys are basing Ulbrich being hired on Morris being fired, why would you assume that DQ would choose him over Morris? Between the two, I think that he would choose Morris. He has an even more extensive history with Morris and you could argue that he actually has a lot to do with that top 10 defensive ranking in Atlanta. Plus he already has history in Washington and brings that youthful, energetic passion that I think DQ wants going forward
 
Raheem Morris has never had a top-10 defense, as a defensive coordinator. He has such a weird coaching history--went from DBs coach to HC in Tampa; then was a DC with the Rams where his defenses stunk. He's a DB coach and his pass defenses in LA never ranked higher than 22nd in yards? How is this guy a HC?

I'd rather have Ulbrich, Gannon, Rallis (if he becomes available), or go after Seattle's defensive staff. Morris seems like a bigger name Joe Whitt.
 
The thing is the defense has not been ravaged by injuries. Armstrong is a good player. By the time he was injured the season was already lost. Mostly because of the defense. Lattimore was playing like crap so we can't blame his injury. So we are really talking about the loss of Will Harris and Wise along with Bapstiste later.

Every team in the league has dealt with worse injuries to their defense
1. As was pointed out to me, Armstrong was hurt against Chicago (we were 3-2 before that game) and we lost by 1. He came back against Dallas, and got hurt again. We were 3-4 after that game. Now, if you’re alluding to the fact that we then had to face Seattle, KC and Detroit, and therefore the season was in effect over at that point, fair enough.
2. Yeah, regarding injuries, I only said our injuries compounded an already questionable defensive roster. I also said the Lions had far more defensive injuries last year, but they had a far better defense before that point (and an elite offense to pick up the slack, which we haven’t had this year).
3. I’d argue our defense was a pretty big part of why we won the games we did. With that said, much of that was because we faced the Raiders, NYG’s bad oline, and LAC’s banged up oline. I think we were always going to struggle defensively against decent offenses and get blown out by good ones.

At the end of the day, I don’t know that you and I are that far apart - our defensive roster was pretty poor to begin with, Whitt hasn’t gotten them to show up vs anyone but bad offenses (bad olines really), and the injuries just make it all even worse. Our offense hasn’t done a great job picking up the slack (which is far more understandable given the injuries on that side of the ball).
 
1. As was pointed out to me, Armstrong was hurt against Chicago (we were 3-2 before that game) and we lost by 1. He came back against Dallas, and got hurt again. We were 3-4 after that game. Now, if you’re alluding to the fact that we then had to face Seattle, KC and Detroit, and therefore the season was in effect over at that point, fair enough.
2. Yeah, regarding injuries, I only said our injuries compounded an already questionable defensive roster. I also said the Lions had far more defensive injuries last year, but they had a far better defense before that point (and an elite offense to pick up the slack, which we haven’t had this year).
3. I’d argue our defense was a pretty big part of why we won the games we did. With that said, much of that was because we faced the Raiders, NYG’s bad oline, and LAC’s banged up oline. I think we were always going to struggle defensively against decent offenses and get blown out by good ones.

Defense was awful before the litany of injuries--it went from bad to historically bad. I've been making the Night at the Roxbury joke all season--whenever there is an explosive play, our secondary stands around and does this, every time:
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Raheem Morris has never had a top-10 defense, as a defensive coordinator. He has such a weird coaching history--went from DBs coach to HC in Tampa; then was a DC with the Rams where his defenses stunk. He's a DB coach and his pass defenses in LA never ranked higher than 22nd in yards? How is this guy a HC?

I'd rather have Ulbrich, Gannon, Rallis (if he becomes available), or go after Seattle's defensive staff. Morris seems like a bigger name Joe Whitt.
At this point I see almost anyone as a bigger name than Whitt. I have lost much of the respect I had for him based on the level of our defenders play...yes regardless of he injuries
 
At this point, I'm still trying to figure out how Raheem Morris got to be a Head Coach...TWICE!
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I have the same question about Aaron Glenn. His defenses sucked in Detroit and somehow he got a HC job. The Lions swapped in Kelvin Sheppard this offseason and they have a top 10 D all of a sudden
 

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