Your Least Favorite Washington HC of the last 30 Years

Who was the Worst Washington HC of the last 30 Years?

  • Spurrier--Why was he in the NFL?

    Votes: 13 30.2%
  • Zorn-- Why was he in the NFL?

    Votes: 11 25.6%
  • Shanahan--He played RG3 on a bum knee, and maybe harmed his career.

    Votes: 5 11.6%
  • Rivera-- The worst draft choices ever, and we're still paying the price.

    Votes: 12 27.9%
  • Other-- And why?

    Votes: 2 4.7%

  • Total voters
    43
Shanahan didn't give a crap about anyone but himself.

Compare how the current coach is handling JD5s injury, with what Shanahan did.

Would you want Shanahan to be coaching our future franchise QB, JD5 right now?

No chance in hell.
I would love for Mike Shanahan to be coaching Jayden Daniels. That team was the only coaching staff who made Robert Griffin effective despite his obvious flaws. He was a great head coach and a brilliant offensive mind.

Phillip Rivers once played a playoff game, his coach knew he had a torn ACL from the week before. Where's the hate for that coach? It seems as if you are choosing to ignore the facts and are acting on emotion.
 
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The common denominator in all this is Dan Snyder. The amount of legitimate talent that came through this organization during his reign of terror that could not succeed here never ceases to amaze me.

Super Bowl winning coaches and players who here could only achieve singular moments of above average at best.
 
I didn't care for any coaches since Gibbs. If I'm being honest, I wasn't crazy about the Gibbs II era either.
 
I didn't care for any coaches since Gibbs. If I'm being honest, I wasn't crazy about the Gibbs II era either.

Gibbs 2 was disappointing overall, but he was the only head coach in the Snyder era to take us to the playoffs twice in his tenure. I’ve said it before, that 2005 team I really thought was going to make it back to the big game. December 2005 we were destroying everybody. Seemed like they got hot at the right time. The offense just wasn’t the same in the playoffs. I believe our offensive production in the Bucs playoff game is still the lowest amount of offense from a playoff game winning team in NFL history. The Seahawks game was winnable but they couldn’t get it done. In 2006, Al Saunders brought in a revamped offense that never clicked and we took a step back that season. 2007 they overachieved for Sean.
 
Gibbs 2 was disappointing overall, but he was the only head coach in the Snyder era to take us to the playoffs twice in his tenure. I’ve said it before, that 2005 team I really thought was going to make it back to the big game. December 2005 we were destroying everybody. Seemed like they got hot at the right time. The offense just wasn’t the same in the playoffs. I believe our offensive production in the Bucs playoff game is still the lowest amount of offense from a playoff game winning team in NFL history. The Seahawks game was winnable but they couldn’t get it done. In 2006, Al Saunders brought in a revamped offense that never clicked and we took a step back that season. 2007 they overachieved for Sean.

I agree 100% and have argued for years that GIbbs II just solidified his greatness.

The fact he did that in a totally new era of football after being gone so long in a short window - and most importantly- under the Worst Owner in Sports is HOF worthy in and of itself. No other Coach did that under the WOS.
 
There is an excellent case to be made for everyone on the list but I have to go with Shanahan. Griffin's knee collapsing was perhaps the single-worst moment of the Dan Snyder Era, which is saying a lot.

And then, of course, there's this:


The worst part of all this is that Shanahan was Mike freaking Shanahan. The dude won Superbowls and worked with Al Davis. He should not have been making mistakes and bumbling his way through things the way Spurrier and Zorn did.
 
I would love for Mike Shanahan to be coaching Jayden Daniels. That team was the only coaching staff who made Robert Griffin effective despite his obvious flaws. He was a great head coach and a brilliant offensive mind.

Phillip Rivers once played a playoff game, his coach knew he had a torn ACL from the week before. Where's the hate for that coach? It seems as if you are choosing to ignore the facts and are acting on emotion.
During the Seattle game the announcers were openly wondering why Griffin was still on the field by the second half. He was obviously hurt. He couldn't throw the ball. He was hobbling on his designed runs. Our defense was hanging on by their fingernails keeping us in the game because Griffin was utterly ineffective after the first quarter.

We could ALL see it. I remember watching that game BEGGING the team to pull him. There was no excuse for keeping him in the game. None.
 
I didn't care for any coaches since Gibbs. If I'm being honest, I wasn't crazy about the Gibbs II era either.

Gibbs II was rough because the expectations were astronomical. And he followed Spurrier who also had astronomical expectations (many seem to forget how his arrival was celebrated). And Joe left after the death of Sean Taylor which was probably the saddest moment in our history. An emotional rollercoaster for several years.

But Joe got us there twice.

Interesting observation: Neither Joe Gibs nor Steve Spurrier were big on Patrick Ramsey.
 
I think Mike went soft in his old age. He was scared to bench the superstar, and more importantly, scared of the owner who kept the superstar in his pocket. I have that weakness and his keeping Jim Haslett against him, but in everything else, I think Shanahan was a fine coach. Guzzling the John Beck Koolaid was weird, but I can forgive him that embarrassment.
 
During the Seattle game the announcers were openly wondering why Griffin was still on the field by the second half. He was obviously hurt. He couldn't throw the ball. He was hobbling on his designed runs. Our defense was hanging on by their fingernails keeping us in the game because Griffin was utterly ineffective after the first quarter.

We could ALL see it. I remember watching that game BEGGING the team to pull him. There was no excuse for keeping him in the game. None.
I remember vividly the video that the Seahawks players took, kicking our "painted dirt" around (that was their quote in the video)...it was dry and ridiculous.

That's #2 on my "Shitty Dan" list.

#1 is changing the name (because the "rule" wasn't applied equally, it said ALL Native American imagery, not just 2 teams in the entire country. He didn't even fight, even tho he swore to.
~And then changing it to something stupid is a 2.0, considering he did it to appease an unimpressive coach that ISN'T EVEN HERE ANYMORE! This :poop: now has to last for the rest of my fan life. What an asshole. But I digress.
 
I think Mike went soft in his old age. He was scared to bench the superstar, and more importantly, scared of the owner who kept the superstar in his pocket. I have that weakness and his keeping Jim Haslett against him, but in everything else, I think Shanahan was a fine coach. Guzzling the John Beck Koolaid was weird, but I can forgive him that embarrassment.
This is an interesting take, but I think it's widely reported that Shanny at that time was intensely arrogant. It seems very plausible when you read the various reports of his personality and how that year unfolded that he was stubbornly keeping Griffin in to prove a point. Namely, that RG3 should not decide his own fate and Shanahan needed to be respected. There was a power struggle between coach and owner, and coach unsurprisingly lost, but in this case coach could have his revenge. I am not saying that Shanahan was trying to end RG3's career or even that he had a specific choice in the matter; I think it was largely a dictum for him at that time to have RG3 play. I am saying that Shanahan put his brain on neutral and just went with that part of it; he wasn't going to argue even though I am 100% sure he knew what the "right" thing to do was.

I don't think his ethics could overcome his stubbornness in that situation.

This is also part of the John Beck Koolaid; he decided early that Beck was good, and he stubbornly refused to change his mind.

Where Shanahan's coaching acumen truly flourished was with his assistants; very few sets of assistants are as amazing as that set. Jay Gruden added a couple of good ones (I think), but a lot of those assistants were inherited and to Jay's credit, he wasn't stupid to bring in "his guys" - he kept smart guys around. Sadly, it seems many head coaches have some kind of issue with that.

Personally I think there's a lot of data to support the above. As for his keeping Haslett, this is where I would say I am guessing more, but I think he kept Haslett around also out of arrogance (perhaps?). He made a big pronouncement before joining the team; he said that the prevailing defensive scheme was the 3-4 and this team needed to go 3-4. That was, in my opinion, insanely wrong. I think the team needed to be 4-3 in part because a lot of defenses had been 3-4 successfully and at the time we shifted, offenses were beginning to shift against the 3-4. I feel like we got in way, way too late, to our detriment. At the time he shifted us was maybe a time when the 4-3 was going to be more successful and not less. Anyway, I think regardless of Haslett's performance (just like Beck), Shanahan was going to be slow to change because it was his big call, and I think he was often loathe to accept when he made mistakes.
 
I think there is a distinction of language which is important: Worst vs. least favorite. Also, Head Coach implies "coaching." Ron was bad coach, but a worse GM.

Worst coach: Jim Zorn. Runner up: Steve Spurrier.

Zorn had literally no idea what he was doing. He was barely qualified to be a new OC, then Vinny couldn't find anybody who would work with him, so promoted him to HC. He was absolutely clueless, but he also was put into a position to fail, and was seemingly a reasonably good guy.

Spurrier knew things, just just didn't care to put in the work. He also is a HOF level college coach, and offensive innovator. If he really wanted to be a good HC, he could have been a good HC. He just wasn't ready for the amount of work he was going to have to put in or how much more competitive the games were going to be. He also needed a strong personnel guy and he got Synderato, which isn't going to help anybody.

My least favorite: Jay Gruden. Runner up: Ron Rivera.

Jay wasn't the worst coach because he was a better coach than Zorn. He probably was a better NFL coach than Spurrier. Maybe. Most of the success Jay had was when McVay was here also, so I give it a maybe.
I don't actually think Jay is a good person, I think he's petty, not a very good coach, offense deteriorated when McVay left, and he had so little control of the team a player tweaked his nipped on camera. The nipple tweaking doesn't bother me as much as the fact any player thought they could get away with it. It shows lack of discipline, lack of accountability, lack of leadership. All things which were traits of the entire Jay tenure.

I've written many lines on how much Jay sucked as a coach. I won't repeat them all here. But he was terrible. How and why the DC media has given his reputation a car wash, I have no idea. He's a dumbass moron who should never get any attention about anything ever.

Ron I think checked out. Was he a better coach than Jay? Yes. Maybe not HERE. But at one point he actually had success as a coach. Both as a DC and a HC. Ron's biggest problem was he took on too much, surrounded himself with a bunch of loyal folks who were not qualified to have the jobs they had, then unfortunately got cancer and had nobody to hand any responsibility off too. Then he sortof became disengaged and somewhat aloof.

I still think Ron is a good guy, a gentleman. Jay is a drunk putz. Spurrier likes to play golf, and Zorn is a cheeseball. That's my summary.
 
One thing to add: Shanahan isn't even remotely in the conversation for worst or least liked with Zorn, Spurrier, Ron and Jay. He might have not been as great here as he was in Denver, but he wasn't stupid, the team was somewhat professional. He didn't want McNabb (the guy who he wanted, though, sucked. I can't remember. Delhomme? Or some other rando guy who wasn't going to be good?), had to deal with Grossman and John Beck, and then got a healthy RGP to the playoffs.

And he has 2 rings as a HC, and I think at least one, if not two as an OC.

He knows football.

He couldn't handle Dan, Bruce, Griffin III OR Griffin II. That was his downfall.
 
My perspective on Ron is different.

I don’t see his tenure or public behavior the same way you do. I will grant you that his winning percentage was the same as Zorn’s.

I also think Ron is an honorable man in the vein of Joe Gibbs (albeit infinitely worse at coaching football) who is going to take the high road with his employer. What Ron really thinks of Snyder we will never know, and we shouldn’t quite honestly. I also give Ron a bit of a pass for his cancer battle. I can’t imagine having to deal with everything he was dealing with in the organization and fight that as well. Lesser men would’ve probably quit.

I agree with you, he is in the vein of Joe Gibbs—a man with a stellar reputation who was nevertheless seduced by Snyder’s money and never had a bad word to say about the man because he let them do whatever they wanted. I think it’s a failing of an honorable man to stand by and ignore the things that came out about Snyder, and yet Gibbs, who everyone respects very much, continued to speak in support of Snyder over the years and continued to help convince other established coaches to take the job under him. Even after the trickle of reports about his deviant and borderline evil behavior became a veritable flood.

It’s their right to say whatever they wish, but I don’t consider the kind words said about Snyder even after the reports of harassment and mistreatment to be among the finer moments of either man. I’m nobody so it doesn’t matter, but my opinion of both men dropped multiple notches due to the blind spot they had for Snyder. So I agree, they are in the same vein in that regard (although Rivera had a cowardly habit at the podium of throwing other people under the bus whereas Gibbs was always the ultimate shield for his people, taking real accountability always. So I don’t consider them similar in other ways).

With Gibbs, it was continuing to run interference for Snyder over the years despite all the reports, right through the Rivera hire and beyond, despite being severed from the franchise and not obligated whatsoever. He’s older and not plugged into the league, focus on NASCAR and family, etc. So I get it to a degree. But nobody is that ignorant of what’s going on in the news regarding the franchise they hold most dear, Snyder had a bad reputation with everyone in the world who he wasn’t actively paying. Gibbs chose to honor his personal relationship with Snyder over the credible reports of abusive, repugnant behavior over the years. Which is pretty much how all abusers keep abusing, because the influential people they’re nice to don’t find it appropriate to make a stir.

For Rivera, it was still speaking well of Snyder, almost defiantly, after the sale to Harris was final and he was no longer his employer. It would’ve been unprofessional to trash Snyder at the podium, that’s not even what I’m suggesting. I would never expect him to go full Jason Wright, who is an opportunistic McKinsey viper. But he could’ve had no comment or been politically correct while saying nothing. But he wasn’t. He outwardly supported a bad man till the bitter end and beyond. That stuck with me, clearly. You can’t cling to your rep as a good man while running cover for a bad man who treated you well and made you richer. There’s a disconnect there.

Your last comment, about how a lesser man would have quit, I disagree with vehemently. Rivera was too burned out and hollowed out to do the job and coasted while delegating everything in order to keep earning his millions until he was fired. That last year after Eric Bieneimy was brought in, beat guys said it was hard to even ascertain what role Rivera even still had in the org as he was letting Bieneimy de facto run the team, arrange the weekly schedules and meetings, plan practice times, etc. He was a ghost in that building. But most importantly, Snyder was being pressured to sell and revelations about his abhorrent behavior were releasing every other day it felt like. And he kept supporting him and taking the bullets for him at pressers. A greater man, already rich beyond belief and not doing his job as HC anyways, would’ve quit on Snyder to make a statement about the kind of man that should be allowed to own a team in this league. A lesser man keeps taking the blood money he doesn’t need and keeps running interference and publicly supporting the evil bastard.

I’ll drop it though, a lot of people don’t agree (and will especially dislike my mild Gibbs criticism) and there’s more interesting chatter to be had in this thread, while we’re going down negative memory lane 😂
 
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I think Mike went soft in his old age. He was scared to bench the superstar, and more importantly, scared of the owner who kept the superstar in his pocket. I have that weakness and his keeping Jim Haslett against him, but in everything else, I think Shanahan was a fine coach. Guzzling the John Beck Koolaid was weird, but I can forgive him that embarrassment.

I never see people talk about this but I actually think the Beck hype from Shanahan was fake as hell and they were slyly tanking for Luck, organizationally. Griffin emerged and made the top of the 2012 draft extra enticing, and we didn’t quite make it to #1 for Luck, but it was close and he was hyped from a mile away as worth tanking for, while the Colts came out of nowhere as a horrible team also due to horrific starting QBing with Manning out. They almost nailed it.

Shanahan would never openly tank during games, no coach would, but he still had power over Bruce Allen at that point and I think he tanked the way that GM’s do: setting up the roster to fail and then watching the coaching staff try to coach the hell out of it anyways every week.

And it almost worked (and still kind of did bc Griffin as a consolation prize at the time was genius).
 
I never see people talk about this but I actually think the Beck hype from Shanahan was fake as hell and they were slyly tanking for Luck, organizationally. Griffin emerged and made the top of the 2012 draft extra enticing, and we didn’t quite make it to #1 for Luck, but it was close and he was hyped from a mile away as worth tanking for, while the Colts came out of nowhere as a horrible team also due to horrific starting QBing with Manning out. They almost nailed it.

Shanahan would never openly tank during games, no coach would, but he still had power over Bruce Allen at that point and I think he tanked the way that GM’s do: setting up the roster to fail and then watching the coaching staff try to coach the hell out of it anyways every week.

And it almost worked (and still kind of did bc Griffin as a consolation prize at the time was genius).
Funny you mention that! When I first joined ES, that was the first thread I clicked on, something about "Would Shanny tank for Luck?" or something similar :LOL:
 
Funny you mention that! When I first joined ES, that was the first thread I clicked on, something about "Would Shanny tank for Luck?" or something similar :LOL:

Ahhh the “Suck for Luck” thread. I remember it well, lol. I abhor that kind of thinking, so I made several pointed posts on why we should not, in fact, “Suck for Luck” in that thread…even though it mattered not one iota.

We sucked anyway in 2011…the suck just fell a little bit short of Luck. 😂
 
And it almost worked (and still kind of did bc Griffin as a consolation prize at the time was genius).
Sorry, but Imma go a bit OT here, because this is so true. *Like I said before, the KoolAid was all mine, I thought RGIII would still be our QB...even named a female kitten RG in the middle of the the 2012 pre-season, I loved that kid*.

He was a track runner, a hurdler, headed for the Olympics as a teen. (Reminded me of Tim Duncan, who was a swimmer before a HOF NBA player, who I watched for 4 years at ACC tournaments for Wake Forest.)
I don't know what happened, but someone saw him throw, his HS football highlights are amazing, and Art Briles thought $$$$$$$ for Baylor, and he was lights out. Watch the film, he had all damn day to throw, and when he couldn't, he ran his legs off.
I think it was Briles (nevermind the other stuff about the school that came out) who had everyone fooled, and sold it to a stupid and willing dickface NFL owner.
 
I also give Ron a bit of a pass for his cancer battle. I can’t imagine having to deal with everything he was dealing with in the organization and fight that as well. Lesser men would’ve probably quit.

He should have quit and been expecting to. Especially since it seems to be common knowledge that he just mailed it in the last couple years. At least he should have given up one of his positions and if he wasn't going to coach and he was obviously ASS as a GM he should have given up both.

I don't give him a pass because he got cancer. I still have cancer and didn't expect to be kept in my much less stressful job and with much lower expectations as well. I actually rate him lower for being so fucking selfish because we all know he sucked. He is the one that can't admit it and makes up excuses for all of it. He would probably even tell you that it was because of cancer if he couldn't manufacture a number of other BS excuses for being total ass as a HC+GM.
 
Sorry, but Imma go a bit OT here, because this is so true. *Like I said before, the KoolAid was all mine, I thought RGIII would still be our QB...even named a female kitten RG in the middle of the the 2012 pre-season, I loved that kid*.

He was a track runner, a hurdler, headed for the Olympics as a teen. (Reminded me of Tim Duncan, who was a swimmer before a HOF NBA player, who I watched for 4 years at ACC tournaments for Wake Forest.)
I don't know what happened, but someone saw him throw, his HS football highlights are amazing, and Art Briles thought $$$$$$$ for Baylor, and he was lights out. Watch the film, he had all damn day to throw, and when he couldn't, he ran his legs off.
I think it was Briles (nevermind the other stuff about the school that came out) who had everyone fooled, and sold it to a stupid and willing dickface NFL owner.

I remember the rumors that Briles would replace Shanahan as our HC once that went sour, what a wild time that was to be a fan. Seemed realistic given how far up Snyder’s ass Griffin was lodged (not his fault, he was a dumb kid being courted by a billionaire)
 

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