Official Game Thread - Preseason Week 1 - Commanders @ Patriots

Well the obvious, but still extremely important point about the game last night was that we had no serious injuries.

That's likely my biggest takeaway.
That and the top 30 players on the roster didn’t play.
 
Wish they still did the gradual cuts during preseason. I think that trying to cater to 90 guys the entire camp must be tough.
 
Seeing some of the other games around the league,,we either lack talent regarding the 3rd and 4th stringers or weren't giving maximum effort. Lot of missed assignments and penalties. Idk🤷
 
What bothers me is some of those guys shouldn't have been in camp in the 1st place. No control...just running around not taking angles or working as a team. Bunch of freelancers.
Especially on ST. Didn't see much emotion either...was it #8 that was continuously torched?
 
Seeing some of the other games around the league,,we either lack talent regarding the 3rd and 4th stringers or weren't giving maximum effort. Lot of missed assignments and penalties. Idk🤷
Eh. I think part of it is our 3rd and 4th strings were playing starters. That can make things look worse than what they are. But there are no excuses for penalties and mistakes.
 
Eh. I think part of it is our 3rd and 4th strings were playing starters. That can make things look worse than what they are. But there are no excuses for penalties and mistakes.
Agree
 
I tend to be a 'it's the preseason' guy. I'm not saying I wouldn't rather we look awesome at all times. I just don't think fans realize how coaches generally approach these games. It's not to win. There is no gameplanning. It's not to have players doing things they know they can do. It's trying to determine a final few roster spots or find key backups. And they will often put guys into situations they arent comfortable with to see how they can handle them.

I do think fans *know* this - but we still tend to react as if we don't when it comes to reacting to the results.

On the penalties and mistakes, I don't see them as any different from other criticisms. The guys playing have had far less attention and practice time than starters and key backups. So I am not surprised that sitting 30 players we saw a lot of unforced errors.

Some teams in the NFL will have slow starts. It's just the nature of things. Some teams will win the first few games, some will lose the first few games. Chances are, very few NFL teams give their starters significant preseason playing time. I think there are 100 reasons why the teams that 'start slow' that are more impactful than preseason playing time.
 
I tend to be a 'it's the preseason' guy. I'm not saying I wouldn't rather we look awesome at all times. I just don't think fans realize how coaches generally approach these games. It's not to win. There is no gameplanning. It's not to have players doing things they know they can do. It's trying to determine a final few roster spots or find key backups. And they will often put guys into situations they arent comfortable with to see how they can handle them.

I do think fans *know* this - but we still tend to react as if we don't when it comes to reacting to the results.

On the penalties and mistakes, I don't see them as any different from other criticisms. The guys playing have had far less attention and practice time than starters and key backups. So I am not surprised that sitting 30 players we saw a lot of unforced errors.

Some teams in the NFL will have slow starts. It's just the nature of things. Some teams will win the first few games, some will lose the first few games. Chances are, very few NFL teams give their starters significant preseason playing time. I think there are 100 reasons why the teams that 'start slow' that are more impactful than preseason playing time.
Good point Boone, one I was thinking as well when I was reading the posts. Hell I feel it too, even though we know these are not the real players and it's just a preseason game you can't help but react when they looked this bad. I mean Sam Hartman is simply not an NFL player and he's lucky he stuck around for a season. Not a fan of wasting a day 3 pick on developmental QBs who never end up playing for you but in this instance they really need a young QB who can at least resemble an NFL QB in an emergency.
 
Hoping the new field goal kicker works out. Thought we had a good one for a few weeks but now not so sure.
 
The thing is sticking to special teams, penalties were made by key starters
Hoping the new field goal kicker works out. Thought we had a good one for a few weeks but now not so sure.
Listening to the Finlay podcast, he's apparently struggled of late in camp.
 
The thing is sticking to special teams, penalties were made by key starters

Listening to the Finlay podcast, he's apparently struggled of late in camp.
I thought I heard the same but then I was hearing early in camp he was automatic. A reliable kicker is often taken for granted by many teams.....Washington hasn't been so lucky.
 
Other teams seem to hit 58 yarders like they're extra points now. I always sweat at 50 with our kickers.
 
I was really hoping we’d draft a kicker in the sixth round. Two were chose. Ahead of us.
 
I listened to the Keim and Finaly game review podcasts. Things I took away:

  • Of the players who look like they are going to contribute to the team, they played reasonably well. Those include
    • Conerly Jr. - both said he had a solid game
    • Trey Amos - both said he had a solid game overall, and there was one specific play
    • Jacory Croskey-Merritt aka Bill: liked his quick cuts in the hole. Keim said he wouldn't go so far as to say he's going to challenge Robinson (yet), but liked what they saw.
    • Newton - had a really good series and played 19 snaps.
    • Lane - Keim said he didn't get really any work in the offense, but looked good in punt returns. No returns popped, but he has really good ball skills and didn't fair catch some punts which maybe other players would
  • FG Kicking: They like Matt Gay, and it seems like he was doing well in camp, now he's missing kicks in situational situations in camp. JP pointed this out specifically, they will end a session with a Down by 2, go score to win, etc. And he has missed on 2 of those situations in practice in the last week or so. There was a "should they" vs. "Will they" bring in a kicker to compete, and both Mitch and JP settled on "not yet" (which is not really one of the options, but there you go.
  • A lot of the other players did not distinguish themselves
  • There was one particular UDFA who Keim had said he thought was having a good camp but did not have a good game yesterday.
  • Battle for 3rd string QB: JP invoked "arm strength" when talking about Hartman, questioning whether he has enough arm strength to throw to the outside. They then got into a short and stupid thing about [REDACTED] who overcame this by making quick decisions, which he didn't, and he sucks, and shouldn't be in the league. But I digress.
    • JP said they saw what they needed from Hartman, and basically said "now we know he can't play, Josh Johnson is the backup, and that's settled. I'm not sure I entirely agree with that, but seems like it could be a reasonable take.
    • Keim said if there are questions about Mariota's health, then there is no question about keeping Josh Johnson on the active roster. This I agree with.
Most of the rest of the points were some form of "everybody else was a disappointment." So I won't elaborate.

My general commentary is:
  • The the most important person to play and play well was Conerly Jr. If that happened, then I'm a happy guy.
  • Newton taking a big step forward this year would be huge for the interior of the defense.
  • Can we get Chip Lohmiller to come out of retirement and kick for us? He's only 59. Probably got a few years left. Also, I just found out when I googled him to make sure I was spelling his name correctly, he was a second round pick in the 1988 draft. Mel Kiper must have LOVED that.
  • I don't know why, but I really want Bill to beat out Robinson for the starting RB job. I just don't think Robinson has the vision or the quick moves in the hole, and gets tracked down from behind too much. Ok, I do know why I want Bill to beat out Robinson.
 
I wonder if the guy can kick a 70 yard field goal under the pressure of a regular season game? 👻

Realistically preseason is about filling out those last 6-8 roster spots for a good team.

Coaches with teams coming off 4-13 or a comparable record and performance may legitimately put younger vets and high picks out there for extended reps to try and develop chemistry and change the culture, which I think Vrabel was doing in Game 1.

And after all the dysfunction of the Jerrod Mayo year in 2024 it’s not that surprising.

But Washington has returning coordinators and systems on both sides of the ball, more veteran starters by age and experience and so I don’t expect a push to win these games.

I also don’t expect new weapons like Samuel and Lane to make plays off the depth of Kingsbury’s playbook before the opener.

Certainly not with Josh Johnson, a 39 year old quarterback just signed a month or two ago at the controls.

One thing preseason can do is expose guys that were expected to or hyped by media and fans to be among those last few spots on the final 53.

I don’t see Sam Hartman, Cole Turner or Chris Paul making the final roster.

Basically that is what I gleaned from those 60 forgettable minutes.

But for those pessimists take heart. The year Washington went 0-4 in the preseason under Gibbs we won the Super Bowl.

Meanwhile the Giants one year went 4-0 and finished 3-11-1.
 

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