The 2025 Free Agency Thread

Clowney can also set the edge, he's not just a pass rush specialist. In fact thats been sort of what dogged him in his career -- very good run stopper, decent but nothing special of a pass rusher.

My point is I wonder if this team would see more value in him than they do Von Miller or Zadrius Smith.



 
Just started watching one of Clowney's games. Looks like they like to keep him on the left side, which is typically the strong side, run stopping side but line him up wide to rush the passer. According to PFF, he had a bit of a drop off last year as for run defense. But througout his career, its been his wheelhouse.

Early on, in the game i am watching, he had one play that got my juices going as to run defense. I haven't seen a play like that that from any of our D line defenders last year. He not only chased the back from behind but he did it on the opposite side of the field from his stance. And he ran hard-fast like his life depended on it.
I wasn't big on Landon Jackson or JT in the draft as pass rushers but loved them both as run defenders because of unique plays like that. They don't just set the edge but chase down RBs and pursue them from behind like they are linebackers or safeties. I've already seen 2 plays like that from Clowney and am not even through the first quarter.

The clip below (Clowney is 7) from where he started to where he ended up getting his man.

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Clowney sounds like a good plan to me too if we can get him. Stop gap for a year or two until we can find the young stud edge rusher of our dreams. Improving the run defense has been a main focus of this off-season, and he would help even more in that regard. Maybe he’s good but not great as a pass rusher. But that’s good enough for now. Not sure how much he will cost, but with Z Smith and Von Miller still there it’s a buyers market for once great 30 something edge rushers.
 


I mean we should be all over this no?


Y’all MF’ers are fast! I was coming here to post this news.

How much do you guys think he has in the tank? I’m not sure he’s a better pass rusher than what we have at this point.
 
Clowney is a perfect marriage of need/opportunity/availability/affordability. It’s a no-brainer.

Yeah if they are fixated on stopping the run and adding some juice as a pass rusher, he feels perfect. Von Miller or Zadaris Smith might bring more juice as a pass rusher but Clowney feels in the same conversation on that front. Clowney at his best is a good run stopper and sometimes great one. Not the case right now for Z. Smith or Von Miller.

I am a sucker for edges as to run defense who go behind just being a wall at the point of the attack. That to me is a nice start as to being a good run defender. But I gravitate more to the D lineman who do that and chase backs and QBs deep down the field if needed. Clowney from my initial watch is one of those run defenders who both sets the edge and chases down plays from behind.
 
I almost said yesterday that the Panthers are probably gonna release clowney.
We definitely should kick the tires.
He’s more of a very solid run stopper set an edge guy. We (arguably) have that already. We need someone with the wiggle to create pressure.

Hard to find at this point in the calendar. I think we are going to have to be aggressive with play calling and scheme pressure.
 
Yeah if they are fixated on stopping the run and adding some juice as a pass rusher, he feels perfect. Von Miller or Zadaris Smith might bring more juice as a pass rusher but Clowney feels in the same conversation on that front. Clowney at his best is a good run stopper and sometimes great one. Not the case right now for Z. Smith or Von Miller.

I am a sucker for edges as to run defense who go behind just being a wall at the point of the attack. That to me is a nice start as to being a good run defender. But I gravitate more to the D lineman who do that and chase backs and QBs deep down the field if needed. Clowney from my initial watch is one of those run defenders who both sets the edge and chases down plays from behind.

I mean, improved edge setting against Saquon sounds pretty tempting. Having a guy with speed to chase down from the backside also sounds great, and both could also be super useful in controlling Jalen Hurts’ scrambling.
 
He’s more of a very solid run stopper set an edge guy. We (arguably) have that already. We need someone with the wiggle to create pressure.

Hard to find at this point in the calendar. I think we are going to have to be aggressive with play calling and scheme pressure.

I'd feel a lot better about the D line if we knew they were loaded with proven run defenders. And I get what they are betting on which is size. Judging by PFF scores, and granted they aren't the be all and end all -- all the additions are below average run defenders -- Wise, Kinlaw, Goldman.

Feels like the bet is some of them once were good. Based on PFF scores, Goldman years ago was great against the run. but its been years for him. Wise has been mostly average, with more below average seasons than above. Kinlaw has mostly been average to below average.

Bullock who spends more time watching Commanders players than anyone I can think of on social media likes to say its a "maybe" as to this new gang stopping the run. It's hope based on big bodies making a difference.

Armstrong was bad against the run at least according to PFF metrics and to my eyes for the two games I rewatched.

But Wise is a bigger dude so in theory he will be better than Fowler.

But Clowney at his best, is a very good run stopper. At his peak, he was an elite run stopper. He would be the one addition on that front who isn't a projection on that front. He's the real deal.

I do agree with your point about neeing some juice. As far as pass rush, if I am going purely on PFF scores -- Von Miller by a mile should be our target. He had a mid-80s score last year. Top 10. But after that Zadrius Smith and Clowney have similar pass rushing scores by them, Smith ahead but not by much.

This one Lions blog thinks Clowney hitting the market will expedite Z. Smith's signing. If I recall I saw somewhere else that Z. Smith's price is high for some teams. But if so, not sure what it is. Am good with any of those three pass rushers signed for different reasons.

I think I lean though Clowney because I think he will minimize the threat of our run defense being bad again. I don't think for sure we are out of the woods on that front.


Clowney’s track record with 58 career sacks instantly makes him one of the top names on the free agent market. It would seem like his presence would reduce Smith’s chances to return to Detroit as a younger pass rusher. But it helps considering other teams that need help with their pass rush will pursue Clowney instead of Smith.

That would be great news for Detroit, who still needs a pass-rushing partner across from Hutchinson. Smith recorded four sacks and 36 quarterback pressures after coming over from the Cleveland Browns last October but the Lions released him due to a $2 million roster bonus that was due in March.

Smith still hasn’t found a team willing to pay his asking price and his odds of returning to Detroit increase as the season draws closer. If a team signs Clowney, Smith could not be far behind and it would give the Lions another answer as they head toward the 2025 season.
 
I don't see why we can't get both Clowney and Von Miller. Miller might be the most expensive 15 snaps a game player, but he'd be worth it come playoffs.

Clowney is such a no brainer.
 
I don't see why we can't get both Clowney and Von Miller. Miller might be the most expensive 15 snaps a game player, but he'd be worth it come playoffs.

Clowney is such a no brainer.

I'd be fine with bringing both of them in, as they'd fill somewhat different roles. Though I'm not sure I really see this regime doing that. They seem to have very specific profiles they go after and if they wanted either of them I feel like they probably would have done something by now. But it's always possible that part of the profile is price, and they're waiting for that to drop into the range they believe the guys are worth.
 
I'd take Smith over Clowney or Miller. Brings more pass rush on a consistent basis.
 
I like the idea of adding Clowney if the FO thinks he still has it.

I wouldn’t sign a guy, just to sign a guy though. You can roll over those cap dollars. We could use that money to extend Terry, Tunsil, or Deebo and then we’d have more cap room next year to add a rel impact pass rusher.
 
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I'd take Smith over Clowney or Miller. Brings more pass rush on a consistent basis.

Maybe. Not sure what to judge by as to the importance of when they muster pass rush.

Z. Smith didn't end the season hot. 5 out of the last 6 games he had no sacks. And was abysmal in the playoff game against us. Clowney was the opposite 5 of his sacks were in the last 6 games.

As for PFF scores Von Miller of the three of them had the most consistent strong pass rush scores and the stronger overall grade by a good margin.

I think for different reasons I can argue for all 3.

Von Miller -- Hall of Famer, leader, and at least according to PFF was a top 10 pass rusher last year, easily tops of the remaining FAs. He's clutch. Plays big in the playoffs and bright lights games. So that fits what hopefully we need assuming we are in the post season.

Zadrius Smith -- the most sacks of this FA group, I see Lions fans complaining about his run defense but his PFF scores are decent on that front. Solid pass rusher. And likely can set the edge, too.

J. Clowney. Best run stopper in this mix. As I stated in a post above, am not 100% sure this D line will be miles better against the run, its a wild card. Clowney could help ensure it will be. Solid pass rusher and at least by PFF pass rushing scores isn't that far behind Z. Smith on that front.

Am good with whichever one they like the best. It's a different narrative for each so I assume they know what flavor they want and why.
 
I’m curious if they will address it. It feels essential to us, but I’m not sure they will address it.
 

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