The 2025 Draft Thread

To show the 2nd Barkley TD to make a point

Looks like the idea was to run up the gut with some form of duo, where the seas are parted up the A gap. But its just not that open. The O lineman do their job, they move the DTs to the side and create that crease. But Luvu and Martin are waiting for it. So Barkley just takes it the other way for a TD.

That's part of my thing about Robinson. I do agree he's at the mercy of his run blocking, but he shows so little creativity, he's headed to where he's headed, the crease has to be there, if not it is what it is but there isn't going to be an adjustment. Good RBs aren't just stuck with the play call, its a position where you improvise if needed.

Robinson is decent (not consistent though) for getting some tough yards. But there is so little creativity with him. He's a ram it down your throat and I hope I got a crease where am headed type of runner. And yeah lets say if Robinson was stuck with this same play, he'd run it up the gut and get a tough yard and would be stopped up the middle. And some of the local media would defend him and saying look its all about the O line, where is the crease?

The crease isn't always predictable. Good runners IMO adjust to what's happening on the fly.

The more I watch the more i think Croskey-Merritt ultimately takes this job. You see plenty of change of directions from him.

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I think Alfred Morris was a good example of how essential vision on a RB is. Morris didn't really have any intangibles that stuck out on a stat sheet. He wasn't the biggest, strongest, or fastest, but the guy knew how to follow the blocks and proper cutback lanes. Yes, of course RG3's running threat helped, but it was still on Morris to know where to cut back. I think Brian Robinson also not being an athletic freak at the position still had the *potential* to be as or more productive than Morris in this system but he just doesn't seem to have the vision to go where the open space is.
 
I think Alfred Morris was a good example of how essential vision on a RB is. Morris didn't really have any intangibles that stuck out on a stat sheet. He wasn't the biggest, strongest, or fastest, but the guy knew how to follow the blocks and proper cutback lanes. Yes, of course RG3's running threat helped, but it was still on Morris to know where to cut back. I think Brian Robinson also not being an athletic freak at the position still had the *potential* to be as or more productive than Morris in this system but he just doesn't seem to have the vision to go where the open space is.

Yeah ironically you can see it with Jayden, cutback lanes, if this isn't open, shift the other way.

Brian doesn't have the vision or for that matter have any major moves. He's not about having a wicked spin move, or jump cut, etc. the play is called, he's running to where he's supposed to go, and he will do his best to make the most of it -- that's his game.

If he were playing with the hogs and they were opening massive holes, he'd be good. Still not special because he lacks that breakaway gear and I think some of that is vision, too as far as why he doesn't do big runs. Derrick Henry ran a hair slower than Robinson in the 40 but he can take it to the house from time to time.

It's got me a bit fired up for Croskey-Merritt because he's not limited in this way. You know who has a wicked spin move and jump cut but especially spin move -- Croskey-Merritt. He also has the breakaway speed. He has good vision especially in the open field. Don't get me wrong, backs tend to follow their blocks and play design on most plays. But sometimes the play simply doesn't do its trick and you have to adjust.

And I don't think adjusting is Brian's main weakness. I think you can pull off being a runner in that style if you accelerate fast where you burst through that crease but he doesn't do that with much speed and if by chance he breaks through, he's not going to juke defenders often in open field.

He doesn't suck, he's just OK. I think Croskey-Merrit is a peg or two better. And I said that about him before the draft, too. So its not me just jumping on a post draft high. But will see.

 
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Yeah ironically you can see it with Jayden, cutback lanes, if this isn't open, shift the other way.

Brian doesn't have the vision or for that matter have any major moves. He's not about having a wicked spin move, or jump cut, etc. the play is called, he's running to where he's supposed to go, and he will do his best to make the most of it -- that's his game.

If he were playing with the hogs and they were opening massive holes, he'd be good. Still not special because he lacks that breakaway gear and I think some of that is vision, too as far as why he doesn't do big runs. Derrick Henry ran a hair slower than Robinson in the 40 but he can take it to the house from time to time.

It's got me a bit fired up for Croskey-Merritt because he's not limited in this way. You know who has a wicked spin move and jump cut but especially spin move -- Croskey-Merritt. He also has the breakaway speed. He has good vision especially in the open field. Don't get me wrong, backs tend to follow their blocks and play design on most plays. But sometimes the play simply doesn't do its trick and you have to adjust.

And I don't think adjusting is Brian's main weakness. I think you can pull off being a runner in that style if you accelerate fast where you burst through that crease but he doesn't do that with much speed and if by chance he breaks through, he's not going to juke defenders often in open field.

He doesn't suck, he's just OK. I think Croskey-Merrit is a peg or two better. And I said that about him before the draft, too. So its not me just jumping on a post draft high. But will see.



I wonder if GM's of other teams look at a 24 year old RB and just say "nope" out of hand. One less year of tread on the tires from missing almost all of a season, and if you compare his career carries to the top drafted backs its favorable in terms of mileage. It'd be awesome to hit on a 7th rounder lotto.
 
I wonder if GM's of other teams look at a 24 year old RB and just say "nope" out of hand. One less year of tread on the tires from missing almost all of a season, and if you compare his career carries to the top drafted backs its favorable in terms of mileage. It'd be awesome to hit on a 7th rounder lotto.
Yeah good point that helps, too as for going lower in the draft albiet Harvey is the same age and went early.
 
Yeah good point that helps, too as for going lower in the draft albiet Harvey is the same age and went early.

He is, but he also went for 1600 yards and 22 TD's while JCM only played 1 game. Maybe he's a day 2 pick if he had a big numbers year, but odds are if he would have, he's still the same guy.
 
Yeah ironically you can see it with Jayden, cutback lanes, if this isn't open, shift the other way.

Brian doesn't have the vision or for that matter have any major moves. He's not about having a wicked spin move, or jump cut, etc. the play is called, he's running to where he's supposed to go, and he will do his best to make the most of it -- that's his game.

If he were playing with the hogs and they were opening massive holes, he'd be good. Still not special because he lacks that breakaway gear and I think some of that is vision, too as far as why he doesn't do big runs. Derrick Henry ran a hair slower than Robinson in the 40 but he can take it to the house from time to time.

It's got me a bit fired up for Croskey-Merritt because he's not limited in this way. You know who has a wicked spin move and jump cut but especially spin move -- Croskey-Merritt. He also has the breakaway speed. He has good vision especially in the open field. Don't get me wrong, backs tend to follow their blocks and play design on most plays. But sometimes the play simply doesn't do its trick and you have to adjust.

And I don't think adjusting is Brian's main weakness. I think you can pull off being a runner in that style if you accelerate fast where you burst through that crease but he doesn't do that with much speed and if by chance he breaks through, he's not going to juke defenders often in open field.

He doesn't suck, he's just OK. I think Croskey-Merrit is a peg or two better. And I said that about him before the draft, too. So its not me just jumping on a post draft high. But will see.



I refer to B-Rob as "2 yards and a cloud of dust RB" You point him in a direction and when the dust settles after he rushes two yards, he's either tackled or still running in the same direction.
 
Re: Bill's age, I'm not too concerned, because RB is such a carries-limited position anyway.

Some RBs are lucky enough to get to 3000 carries post-high school, but a lot tap out at 2000-2250ish post-HS. If Bill is good enough to become a starter, and gets, say 250 carries a season, combined with his little more than 500 carries in college, that would put him at his age 29 season for hitting 1500 NFL carries, and 2000 carries since HS, or his age 30 season if he needs a season to warm up.

The only difference with him compared to most is he might hit the age wall and the tread wall at roughly the same time, whereas lots of RBs run out of tread before they even hit 30.
 
Sad, that's true, yeah i think Dan can do the draft better than Ron.

It was funny to hear Jay explain Bruce's approach to the draft and Fa -- Bruce did it by reading the Internet and making decisons that way. Now that's not the path to excellence clearly but mediocrity at best -- but yeah Ron would have done better just making decisions off of Thor, Kiper, PFF or name that board or just asking random fans what to do at the draft party.
I was so pissed when I saw Ron on ESPN's draft coverage last season. How is he getting paid for his opinion on player evaluation after what took place here? Now apparently the alumni at Cal were insisting he take over or they will pull their support or some shit and he is now their GM.

Pisses me off to no end, he should be doing a radio show like Vinny or some shit like that.
 
I was so pissed when I saw Ron on ESPN's draft coverage last season. How is he getting paid for his opinion on player evaluation after what took place here? Now apparently the alumni at Cal were insisting he take over or they will pull their support or some shit and he is now their GM.

Pisses me off to no end, he should be doing a radio show like Vinny or some shit like that.

Yeah he and his compatriot Hurney put a clinic on as to how to screw up a roster. The only thing that went well was FA in year 1 when they were working with Kyle Smith's work. I think one of his low key bomb the roster move was after giving away Trent, and later letting Scherff go, releasing Morgan Moses who has had a terrific career once he left. Basically dismantiling the offensive line he inherited yet bragging about the #6 O line (via PFF) when he arrived as a reason for why a QB should want to play here.

The Wentz trade, and he anaylized the anayltics himself. Trading up for a long snapper who ended up sucking. On and on.

They get rid of Kyle Smith. OK. But instead of finding name that hot personnel guy, Rivera brings his old buddy to help him run the ship. He talks to death about wanting to model Buffalo and the overlap of some of those dudes in that FO who once worked in Carolina yet doesn't raid a soul from Buffalo's FO, the Giants ironically do so instead.

But he ended up the perfect storm to get Daniels. Bruce Allen was bad at his job but would do just enough typically to help the team win 6 games or whatever, keeping them out of range for a top QB. We needed a GM even more incompetent than Bruce, and we found that guy in Ron. that helped us get Daniels.

But like I said, I'd have warmer vibes about Rivera if he had any humility about his tenure here. But he comes off smug about his run. Jay Gruden in contrast comes off in my book much more likeable, owning up to his mistakes, no arrogance at all about his tenure.

If Ron wasn't so likeable as to his public image he would easily be crowned as the Jim Zorn version of GMs through Dan's miserable run. Easily the worst GM of the bad lot.
 
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I don't hate Rivera - but he's the classic case of a self-promoting coach who talks a lot better game than he can actually deliver. Cam Newton, who was incredibly dynamic his first 5-6 years in Carolina, helped hide a lot of sub-par Rivera coaching in Carolina. They did have some great defenses during his tenure, but I give credit for that almost exclusively to Sean McDermott who was their DC for most of his successful run in Carolina.
 
I don't hate Rivera - but he's the classic case of a self-promoting coach who talks a lot better game than he can actually deliver. Cam Newton, who was incredibly dynamic his first 5-6 years in Carolina, helped hide a lot of sub-par Rivera coaching in Carolina. They did have some great defenses during his tenure, but I give credit for that almost exclusively to Sean McDermott who was their DC for most of his successful run in Carolina.

Tough for me to hate Ron when watching him on TV. I think he genuinely is a good guy, lol saves rescue dogs among other things. Super nice guy.

I think though he would come off so much better if he showcased more vulnerability and admitted mistakes. I think that's his fatal flaw. He's always in spin mode. Has an excuse for everything versus assuming responsibility. And I think he values his public reputation more so than real success.

If you listen to his farewell press conference with Carolina, it was about him doing nothing wrong, and Carolina is making a mistake by letting him go. in contrast, we got Dan Quinn who willingly talks about his mistakes at Atlanta and actually hired a firm to dissect what he did well and what he didn't there.

Hearing that Peters and company really dug Quinn's presentation which included what he would do differently -- feels right to me. In contrast, Ron am sure had a kindred spirit in Dan when he interviewed with him from the context of he did all right in Carolina but was wrongly fired, etc.

Don't get me wrong, Dan was a total douche. And Ron is a classly dude. Very different people. But it does seem like they had one thing in common and that is not learning from their mistakes or owning up to them. And it went somewhat below the radar but when Dan was selling the team (even after the sale went through) he had just one defender. it wasn't Gibbs anymore or Joe T. or some of his other previous apologists. It was Ron who said that Dan is being treated unfairly over things that happened years ago and he has given him everything he ever wanted during his tenure.
 
I think though he would come off so much better if he showcased more vulnerability and admitted mistakes. I think that's his fatal flaw. He's always in spin mode. Has an excuse for everything versus assuming responsibility. And I think he values his public reputation more so than real success.
This is one of the big things that bugs the crap out of me about Rivera. He actually still comes off smug at times about his "coaching successes". He sucked, made countless poor decisions and never took ownership of them. He deflected them and/or pointed fingers elsewhere.
 
This is one of the big things that bugs the crap out of me about Rivera. He actually still comes off smug at times about his "coaching successes". He sucked, made countless poor decisions and never took ownership of them. He deflected them and/or pointed fingers elsewhere.
Contrast that with Quinn. When he got fired from Atlanta, he was hyper-focused on improving, fixing the things he did wrong. Here, he is constantly looking to improve and get better on what he does. He brought in smart coaches (i.e., not Bieniemy) and held onto them. Likewise, he has a line of succession, at least on offense with Kingsbury--Johnson, Pritchard, and Blough are all under 40, Blough is 29, are all up can coming coaches that received interviews for better positions and the Commanders protected.

Meanwhile, Rivera fired Kevin O'Connell...for Scott Turner and Eric Bieniemy...

And I will say I was severely underwhelmed by Quinn's hire. But, wow, I am SO glad to be wrong. He is the best coach we've had since Joe Gibbs.
 
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Most running backs don’t get a second contract from the teams that draft them.

So, you draft a 24 year old back that is productive for 4 seasons and he perhaps moves on at 28/29.

Nothing wrong with that.

Especially for a 7th rounder.
 
Yeah he and his compatriot Hurney put a clinic on as to how to screw up a roster. The only thing that went well was FA in year 1 when they were working with Kyle Smith's work. I think one of his low key bomb the roster move was after giving away Trent, and later letting Scherff go, releasing Morgan Moses who has had a terrific career once he left. Basically dismantiling the offensive line he inherited yet bragging about the #6 O line (via PFF) when he arrived as a reason for why a QB should want to play here.

The Wentz trade, and he anaylized the anayltics himself. Trading up for a long snapper who ended up sucking. On and on.

They get rid of Kyle Smith. OK. But instead of finding name that hot personnel guy, Rivera brings his old buddy to help him run the ship. He talks to death about wanting to model Buffalo and the overlap of some of those dudes in that FO who once worked in Carolina yet doesn't raid a soul from Buffalo's FO, the Giants ironically do so instead.

But he ended up the perfect storm to get Daniels. Bruce Allen was bad at his job but would do just enough typically to help the team win 6 games or whatever, keeping them out of range for a top QB. We needed a GM even more incompetent than Bruce, and we found that guy in Ron. that helped us get Daniels.

But like I said, I'd have warmer vibes about Rivera if he had any humility about his tenure here. But he comes off smug about his run. Jay Gruden in contrast comes off in my book much more likeable, owning up to his mistakes, no arrogance at all about his tenure.

If Ron wasn't so likeable as to his public image he would easily be crowned as the Jim Zorn version of GMs through Dan's miserable run. Easily the worst GM of the bad lot.
I kept hearing how RR was a great guy so I bought in. He did stabilize the franchise after the mess that was Bruce Allen so I'll give him that. But since he has left, even before he left (send me a Super Bowl ring comment), his arrogance and complete refusal to accept that he did a horrible job has really turned me on him. Now I can't stand that son of a bitch and really hope Cal loses every game they play. Like you I find Gruden to be very likeable. I liked him personally when he was the HC for calling out Griff when it was deserved.

I was always a Kyle Smith guy and got into it pretty good on Extreme about this. I knew throwing him out was a mistake.
 
Finshed watching the last Eagles-Commanders game.

Some takeaways based on my opinion

A. Chinn was awful in that game, I wonder if that was part of the reason why they didn't want to pay him

B. Allegretti was awful in that game. Am glad he's likely going to be a backup.

C. The O line overall was OK, not great but passable. It certainly wasn't the disaster KC's O line was in the SB against them. Coleman was mostly good, but gave up a sack and some pressures but not bad. Trent Scott up and down, he got a lot of help though. Wylie looked pretty good. Biadaz was bad, not awful but bad. But with all of that, i think the O line mostly held up.

D. Jalen Carter was mostly handled. Often by double teams.

E. The Eagles seemed to win that game thanks to turnovers of course and great coverage. The Eagles young corners were shut down. They were helped though by them playing cover 2. Eagles game plan seem to be to take away the big play in the passing game, especially outside the numbers.

F. A good running team IMO could have thwarted the Eagles game plan. Eagles bet against Washington's running game and played to stop 2nd level-3rd level passes outside the numbers

G. The way to beat their coverage was with YAC on the first level especially outside the numbers and in the intermediate in between the two safeties -- up the middle from the TE. It worked for Ertz, he exploited it. But no one else really stepped up on that front. In the first game against them if you recall, Ekeler had a big game as to short passes and gave the Eagles issues. No one really stepped up the same way in this game -- Not Ekeler, Not Zaccheus, Not Crowder, Not McCaffrey. All meh.

H. The whole offense was really Jayden and Ertz. I wasn't always paying attention to Wylie but he seemed to be the standout on that unit when I focused on it.

I. Defense was OK getting pressure on Hurts. Nothing great but made him uncomfortable more times that I remember watching the game initially. Carl Davis, #91, was surprisingly decent. Jonathan Allen and Johnny Newton had moments. Luvu had some good reps. i was surprised to see that the alternated Newton from playing 0 and 3. Hurts seemed unrattled when there is pressure except when you flush him out of the pocket, he looked erratic throwing on the move moving away from pressure in that game.

J. I posted this clip below as an example of Barkley's 3rd TD. I showed clips of the other 2. I think it was Logan and someone else who said part ot the defenses problem stopping the run is that they all aren't following their assignments and if they did it likely would look different. I sort of get that after freeze framing the Eagles running game and watching it clip by clip. So many Washington defenders seemed to get bunched up in one place, leaving big gaps. It's sort of like in a fire drill back in school, where we are instructed to stay in a neat line so we don't trip all over each other. These guys are the opposite, they pile on top of each other leaving big gaps for runners to exploit.

Somehow this point gets wrapped around the players, and no one blames Whitt. i am not saying i know who to blame. But if a defense gets gashed because players aren't in the right gaps over and over again, how is coaching not involved at all? Going back to the first clip i posed yesterday and my commentary. That Barkley run for a TD, looked poorly schemed up. They walked into the exact formation that i kept hearing Barkley likes to exploit which is when the LBs creep closer to the line of scrimmage, and once Barkley breaks free there is hardly anyone there to stop the long run. Add to that this defense tendency to crash on each other with these plays -- felt like a perfect storm. To their credit, they did adjust and have the LBs play back more after that run.

K. Lattimore when I watched him seemed to do good when it was the stem of the route, he was neck and beck with the WR, mostly AJ Brown, but would lose after the stem when the receiver would break. In other words, it looked like he kept guessing wrong as to where the route was going. Sainstrill looked decent including against the run. Quan Martin had some moments, too.

From my amateur point of view here are my takeaways for next season.

A. Clean up the D line as to stopping the run, some of it does look to me scheme related. The one player specific criticism I have to them setting the edge is those guys aren't good at shedding blocks and can get washed out of the play. The good news is Newton was one of the better ones at shedding blocks and hopefully the new D lineman are good at it, too.

B. Having Deebo and Lane to deal with the Eagles feels perfect after watching that game. IMHO, you got to kill the Eagles underneath and or with the running game. The Eagles rely on the front 4 for pressure and to stop the run. i think they are better at bringing pressure than stopping the run. But Braun makes up for it when the D line lets a runner get through.

C. Playing off of point B. The Eagles look very organized and assignment sound on defense. Much more so than our defense. Some in the local mediaI I'd guess would brush off this point and say dude they just got better players. Yeah they do have better players. But there can be two rights to the same point, it doesn't have to be one and not the other. But the point I am making is running QBs, WRs and RBs with wiggle can weave their way through traffic and exploit this. Jayden showed this more than anyone from watching that game. He didn't run much but when he did, he was dangerous and found cutback lanes.

D. Eagles secondary is really good. Having an extra half a second would help. Give Terry and company some time to beat those corners and safeties. Plus even if he doesn't, the more time he has to stretch the field the more it opens up things underneath.

E. As wacky as it sounds, Croskey-Merrit might be the key to beating that team. I know it feels like am piling on Robinson but its easy to see why he has bad games against that defense. IMO the Eagles are very gap sound and disciplined as to their defense. And Brian is so predictable as a runner and doesn't improvise much. That's easy to clamp down on for an organized assignment sound defense. Especially when they play zone, get them off their spots and create bedlam.

F. Sheehan pointed this out if I recall and rewatching that game, I agree. I hate to put Jayden out there like that but wow was he dangerous on the move and his style of running pose problems for that defense. He ran for 8 yards a carry but didn't run much. The Eagles clearly bet on Jayden staying in the pocket and not running much and they bet right. But with everything on the line, if there is a rematch, I'd unleash Jayden as a runner as much as possible.

G. Playing off of point F. You need to get that running game to force the Eagles out of cover 2 and bring a safety in. Kryen Williams was a handful for the Eagles in the playoffs and rewatching this Commanders-Eagles playoff game, I get why the Rams gave the Eagles the biggest fight, they ran the ball down their throat and that takes the Eagles off their game. In short, I know from watching other games the heart of that defense is about winning with the front 4, and playing 7 in coverage. Many preach about doing the same but the Eagles actually do it successfully. So get them out of their comfort zone by running the ball successfully.

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One thing I hated about the Snyder era was that just about everyone got bad mouthed once they left the organization. Like a teenage girl (or Taylor Swift) who just had to talk smack about every relationship that went south. I guess she'd have less hit singles if she just moved on ahead.
 
One thing I hated about the Snyder era was that just about everyone got bad mouthed once they left the organization. Like a teenage girl (or Taylor Swift) who just had to talk smack about every relationship that went south. I guess she'd have less hit singles if she just moved on ahead.

I met a guy recently whose brother in law worked for Snyder. Admitted his brother in law once was told to order prostitutes for Snyder
 

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