The 2025 Draft Thread

How much does that change how you’d view drafting him? Micah Parsons sounded like a sociopath that had SA’ed teammates.

If Pearce isn’t coachable, or doesn’t work hard, that’s a whole separate issue.

I have mixed feelings. I want to actually like our players. A lot of really good players though, just aren’t good dudes. And a lot of teams have had a lot of success blending those guys into the right kind of roster, with the right kind of coaching staff.

I am probably the wrong guy on comps to Parson. I was actually one of the dudes on the board who after digesting Parsons didn't feel he was a risk. As I mentioned then, I watched him in that ESPN, Hey Rookie special, and he hit me as likeable (all the other players who participated looked up to him as the leader of the group). He was well spoken, funny and competitive as heck -- didn't matter what they were doing, races, bowling, etc -- an Alpha, that dude wanted to win and it became a joke in a fun way with the other players.

So, I just happened to get a window into the dude on a month long reality TV show series so it gives me at least some sense of the dude. I recall some goofing on him from some during his first preseason game where he missed a tackle and some said hey we dodged a bullet, thankfully he's in Dallas not here. :cool: I can remember it well because it aged in such a comical way. And I recall saying give the dude a break its just a few plays in a preseason game, bad karma goofing on Parsons. He was by far the #1 on my board for LB when we ranked them per position. Don't get me wrong I wasn't pounding the table for him back then but at a minimum I recall selling on the board that he doesn't come off like a bad dude.

I haven't really dived into Pearce the player or the dude that much yet. I've watched him a little. But I need to dive in more. On a surface level, I don't love what I hear, feels much different than Parson. Anger issues. Loner who doesn't like to interact with his teammates. Not coachable. Lazy. You got me if any of it is true. But if it is that's a bad combination and not apples to apples to the Parson's rap. With Parson's it referenced immaturity off the field, mostly years back. With Pearce is seems centered on his in the locker room character.

Feels like Green is more similar to the Parsons. Green's allegations are much more serious of course. But from what I've heard he's not a bad teammate or a problem in the locker room.


...But Parsons has not been shy about addressing these vague "issues" to which analysts refer. In fact, he confronted the question squarely at Penn State's Pro Day in March.

"At the end of the day, I believe that I was a kid," Parsons said. "I was 17-18. We all made mistakes when we were 17-18. I’m not going to let it control or dictate the person I am now. I’m not going to let something that was 3-4 years [ago] dictate who I've become and the father I want to be."


No specific "character issues" have been mentioned publicly, though Parsons' name appeared in a 2020 hazing lawsuit that a former Penn State player filed against the university and coach James Franklin. No charges were filed, and Parsons was not named as a defendant in the civil suit.

Parsons was among a group of players that allegedly hazed former Penn State player Isaiah Humphries, according to the lawsuit. Parsons did not address the suit specifically at Pro Day but did say that "obviously people have concerns about things that came up."

Parsons, who opted out of the 2020 season, said he has spoken to nearly every NFL team and recalled the particularly strong relationship he has with former Penn State assistant Sean Spencer, now with the New York Giants, who have the 11th pick. Parsons said that he's eager to play for a program that accepts him.


"Everyone is going to learn and grow," Parsons said. "... And if someone is going to judge me over that, then I’d rather not be in their program. I know the type of person I’m becoming. I know the type of father I’m becoming, and that’s all that matters to me.

"Anybody who’s willing to accept my wrongs when I was wrong and accept my rights when I’m right, I’m ready to go ahead and give it my all. But if it’s going to come down to something that I did in high school or something I wish I could change, I can only control what I can control and what I do moving forward."
 
I honestly wouldn’t mind a super boring move, like Gray Zabel, at 29. An OL of Tunsil, Zabel, Biadasz, Cosmi, and whichever RT, would be a super, super strong unit. A big weakness turned into a strength in 1 season.

Tyler Booker dropping to the mid 2nd in Kiper's latest, got my attention. I haven't watched him. I know he's not a killer athlete, he's more of a mauler-gap type blocker than a 2nd level type. But I've heard and read multiple times -- captain and leader on steroids.


How Tyler Booker became Alabama's loudest voice

The starting offensive linemen were the first players to emerge from the visitors' tunnel. The group walked around the field at Tiger Stadium just as they have at every game this season. They were greeted with a chorus of boos when they passed by the LSU student section.

All that did was give them energy.

The Crimson Tide’s offensive line proceeded to pummel the Tigers’ defense in Alabama’s 42-14 win. Alabama didn’t give up a sack, helped Jalen Milroe rack up 185 yards and four touchdowns on the ground and won the battle in the trenches over LSU’s defensive front.

What started with a walk around a packed Tiger Stadium turned into a celebration in a mostly empty venue, save for a coalition of Tide fans that made the trip. But ask Alabama left guard Tyler Booker about the win and he’ll tell you the job’s not finished. Booker’s unrelenting dedication to improvement for himself and his teammates has helped the junior lineman stand out as one of Alabama’s most important players on the field and one of the team’s most impactful leaders.

“It was a great feeling and I just reiterated to the guys like why can’t we do this every week?” Booker said after the game. “It’s the same guys every week, same gameplan every week. So why are we not capable of doing this every week? The way we practice, we just have to carry that over. But again, so many things that we can still get better at. That’s what I love about this team. That’s why I’m so excited to get back to work tomorrow.”

Alabama needed leaders after an offseason full of changes. Thankfully for first-year coach Kalen DeBoer, he had one of the best authority figures to lean on when he first took the Alabama job. Booker’s inherent leadership traits have been manifested by a strong support system that helped shape the player and person he’s become. As he’s continued to star for Alabama, his influence has been a vital part of the Tide’s success.

...“He might be one of the best leaders I’ve ever been around,” DeBoer said. “I know that’s saying a lot because I’ve been around a lot of really good ones. When you put the guys in that category, he’s really special and it’s because he takes care of his business 100% of the time and he’s pushing others to make sure that they’re at their best too and I think that’s what great leaders do is they bring the best out of everyone else around them.”

DeBoer isn’t the only person Booker has impacted in his time at Alabama. He helped left tackle Kadyn Proctor work through tough mental stretches during a difficult true freshman season. Proctor credits Booker for helping him grow and teaching him some of the lessons about being more vocal during an improved sophomore campaign.

...Ever-evolving leadership​

Fox answers the phone. He first tells Booker to take a deep breath to clear his mind. Then he listens.
“I want him to get it out and talk,” Fox said. “Then once we figure that out, then we just go from different point A to B, trying to figure out the situation or what he needs to look for, what he needs to do or things of that nature.”
Fox is Booker’s first call when he needs someone to keep it real with him as he navigates the chaotic world of being one of the most important players for one of the best teams in college football. Fox cherishes the conversations, while Booker has used them to grow as a player throughout his career. Booker’s upbringing and support system allows him to carry the pressure that good leadership often brings.

...Just as he’s done all season, Booker will lead Alabama’s offensive linemen for a few final laps around Bryant-Denny Stadium before he likely sets off for the NFL after a strong junior season. During those walks, Booker’s mind won’t be on his future pro prospects. It won’t be reflecting on his legacy at Alabama or looking ahead to some hypothetical bowl game or College Football Playoff matchup.
Instead, Booker will be focused on the same thing he’s always been focused on for every walk around every stadium in his Alabama career — positively leading his teammates who have followed Booker’s example every step of the way.

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*read this in a bored monotone*
Zabel or Booker would be very good picks that would likely be solid upgrades and secure the offensive line for years to come. It would become an elite unit.

IT WOULD ALSO BE SO BORING! AHHHHHHHH I WANT SACKS OR 40 YARD RUNS!
 
Regarding Booker, I think it’s hard to be a team leader type guy if you aren’t also one of the studs on the field. I worry about his athletic testing, etc.

 
Regarding Booker, I think it’s hard to be a team leader type guy if you aren’t also one of the studs on the field. I worry about his athletic testing, etc.



He was a stud in college. He's an elite pass blocker. Gave up 0 sacks last year and only 3 hits. If you don't want Dexter Lawrence or Jalen Carter mauling Jayden with interior pressure he would be the dude. If you want him to sprint 12 yards down the field and have 2nd level block to spring forward a run, he's not the guy.

Having said that, I haven't watched him yet but that's his profile.


McGinn's scouts below


1. TYLER BOOKER, Alabama (6-4 ½, 326, 5.34, 1): Third-year junior. “He’s a pretty safe bet to be the first guard,” one scout said. “He has the most solid foundation. Now he may be a little bit more of a gap-scheme than a run-off-the-ball wide-zone type. He’s a big body. Real big personality. He’s very much liked at the school. He’s been paid a lot of money. There’s some maturity there.” Rotated at both guards in 2022 before starting 25 games at left guard in 2023-’24. Last season, one of his starts came at left tackle. “Giant human being,” said a second scout.

“Heavy-handed, flexible, strong, smart, good athlete. Not a great puller or second-level guy but he’s a really good in-line player, run and pass. He’d be our starting right guard yesterday. Guards typically don’t go in the first round but he will. He could play some right tackle in some power schemes.” Five-star recruit from New Haven, Conn., and IMG Academy. “A guard like this, you could take him (first round),” said a third scout. “He’s not super talented or dynamic in any way but he’s big, moves well enough, plays on his feet, good football intelligence, he works. He’ll be good.” Arms were 34 ½ inches, size 11-inch hands were the largest at the position. “I don’t know if he’ll be a solid starter but I don’t think you’ll miss on him,” said a fourth scout. “I have him in the second round but you’ve got to find 32 and he may be one of those 32.”
 
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He was a stud in college. He's an elite pass blocker. Gave up 0 sacks last year and only 3 hits. If you don't want Dexter Lawrence or Jalen Carter mauling Jayden with interior pressor he would be the dude. If you want him to sprint 12 yards down the field on have 2nd level block to spring forward a run, he's not the guy.

Having said that, I haven't watched him yet but that's his profile.


McGinn's scouts below


1. TYLER BOOKER, Alabama (6-4 ½, 326, 5.34, 1): Third-year junior. “He’s a pretty safe bet to be the first guard,” one scout said. “He has the most solid foundation. Now he may be a little bit more of a gap-scheme than a run-off-the-ball wide-zone type. He’s a big body. Real big personality. He’s very much liked at the school. He’s been paid a lot of money. There’s some maturity there.” Rotated at both guards in 2022 before starting 25 games at left guard in 2023-’24. Last season, one of his starts came at left tackle. “Giant human being,” said a second scout.

“Heavy-handed, flexible, strong, smart, good athlete. Not a great puller or second-level guy but he’s a really good in-line player, run and pass. He’d be our starting right guard yesterday. Guards typically don’t go in the first round but he will. He could play some right tackle in some power schemes.” Five-star recruit from New Haven, Conn., and IMG Academy. “A guard like this, you could take him (first round),” said a third scout. “He’s not super talented or dynamic in any way but he’s big, moves well enough, plays on his feet, good football intelligence, he works. He’ll be good.” Arms were 34 ½ inches, size 11-inch hands were the largest at the position. “I don’t know if he’ll be a solid starter but I don’t think you’ll miss on him,” said a fourth scout. “I have him in the second round but you’ve got to find 32 and he may be one of those 32.”
If we are looking for a OG to play OT in a pinch, I like Donovan Jackson from Ohio St. too.
 
He was a stud in college. He's an elite pass blocker. Gave up 0 sacks last year and only 3 hits. If you don't want Dexter Lawrence or Jalen Carter mauling Jayden with interior pressor he would be the dude. If you want him to sprint 12 yards down the field on have 2nd level block to spring forward a run, he's not the guy.

Having said that, I haven't watched him yet but that's his profile.

Sold.

Also…

 


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^ me, seeing Thornton's name there.
 
Here's a 6th/7th round deep threat W E A P O N for JD and punt returner too!



 
Kiper's new mock.

Interesting like McGinn's scouts, he has JT now bumped up to the early-mid 2nd. And ahead of Scourton. Ezierukau goes at 28.

Hampton goes 12. Green 15. Pearce 32 and says there are mixed opinions around the league about whether he is a first rounder.

Oladejo all the way up to 35

Booker dropped to 47

D. Walker in the 2nd round

Watts 3rd to last pick of the 2nd.

Only backs in the 2nd -- Henderson, Judkins, Kaleb Johnson

He has us taking Shemar Stewart. That's becoming at least in mocks more of a reality. I got to get to watch him. I know Chris Simms and Logan Paulsen love him.
I not real high on Shemar, would probably be disapointed with him at 29 and happier with the "boring" player list

I cannot see Oladejo going 35. He was like 3rd round a couple weeks back
 
Listening to Jeremy Greene on Sportsocracy and he was talking about how sometimes teams bring in people on visits to try and get them to fall in love with the city so they can win the UDFA sweepstakes if they go undrafted. I wonder if that's what they're doing with some of these names.
 
Re: Stewart, I am trying to figure out what's up with his stats and it probably falls somewhere between "ball of potential" and maybe a bit of scheme?

Looks like A&M got pressure 40.3% of the time (22nd in FBS) but only blitzed 19.3% of the time (119th). So basically A&M was consistently trying to, and succeeding, in getting pressure with 4.

Also I wonder if him dropping some weight has improved his speed. He was listed at 290 on espn, and then waa 267 at the combine. If he played at 290 maybe it made him a tinge slower and limited his ability to finish his pressures?

I'd be happy with him at 29.

I think of the 6 guys after Carter I'd take in the first, my order of desire is something like:
- Mykel Williams
- Jalon Walker
- Donovan Ez
- Shemar Stewart
- James Pearce Jr.
- Mike Green (too much smoke)

My order for those 6 would probably be

1. Shemar Stewart
2. Donovan Ez
3. James Pearce Jr..
4. Mike Green
5. Jalon Walker
6. Mykel Williams

That is lightly factoring in the characters concerns with Pearce and Green. If the issues are more worrisome, you could move both of them of down potentially or if you think there is no issue I would probably have both of them jump DOnovan Ez.
 
Agreed regarding Tai Felton, I like him in like the 4th, maybe late 3rd as an outside guy. He is my favorite of the group. He could use a strength and conditioning program so he could handle slot. No one at the local day is worth anything higher than that. Thornton is another interesting receiver because he is a size speed guy...a fast Anthony Mix :D

There is a mid round NT/DT type Jordan Philips who they might keep an eye on and S Sanker is okay

We need another LB and if they don't get one there is a guy I've looked at as like a 7th rounder that might be decent and a teamers, Jamon Dumas-Johnson.

I don't even know a number of those players.
 
I love seeing Milroe sneaking into the 1rst now. 4 first round QBs seems right. Would love to see Ewers and Howard start walking up to the line.

Could a team like the Jags want to come back into the 1rst for a QB? They have 2 3rds and 2 3rths this draft. Who knows. Draft gets crazy and QBs come up fast.

Theres a few teams like the Saints or Colts that could draft a QB. I think the Steelers are a lock. Browns, NYG and NYJ should be going QB.
 

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