The 2025 Free Agency Thread

I'd be very worried if we run it back with BRob as our main rushing weapon. Yeah the OL wasn't very good at run blocking, but it was clear that he not only oftentimes wasn't seeing the holes well, but was also tentative in hitting them and had very little wiggle or lateral burst. I also don't want to be in a position again where we have to rely on JD to be our main running weapon, because that could very quickly end in disaster.

If they don't make any meaningful upgrades at RB I have to assume that they truly believe the problem was mostly on the OL. I don't really buy it, but they know far more about it than I do. I guess we'll see.

I am not too worried that they do that. Judging by their meetings, which included Jeanty for some reason. RB is on their radar. Got little worries they don't take a new RB. My only worry is they wait until the 4th round. But heck even if they do that, someone like Jordan James ( a dude they had a formal combine meeting with) in the 4th is an upgrade over what we have.

But I get your concern. Brian Robinson seems to have an odd hold on both the last coaching regime and this one. Even though Rodriguez looked much better when coming in -- we still rode Robinson to the bitter end.

I know I hear he's a good locker room guy. And I get the theory of him being this big bruiser. But personally I am not a fan of the player and in some ways the dude. He's not even a good pass protector in spite of his size -- he's hit and miss at best at that job.

Two plays rewatching him, turned me off even more. A game against Dallas he catches a short passes and he could easily mow down the defenders for a couple of more yards but instead he gingerly taps his way out of bounds because he had no interest in contact. I was rewatching the Bears game yesterday and a Bears defender just ran by him with ease on a blitz, clean shot, Jayden being Jayden made lemonade out of lemons on that play by darting the pressure and running for like 8 yards.

As a dude, he doesn't seem like a bad guy. But he's easily the biggest braggart on the team. Before the Philly game, saying Washington is the better team -- giving Philly some bullentin board material. I can live with arrogant statements like that a little more if Robinson would show up against Philly but he sucks against them and almost single handidly lost that game, the one where he had two fumbles. And now recently, I noticed on social media him going back and forth with a Lions player where Robinson goes its our turn now for a SB.

I think Robinson being so "meh" has soured some of us on power type runners. And look I get wanting speed. I want speed, too. But I am not turned off on a player like Skattebo for example. Yeah Skattebo is more power than speed. But Robinson's issue isn't that he's a power runner. His issue IMO is that he's a jag power runner. Skattebo breaks tackles, breaks free, is much better pass weapon. On and on and on.
 
I remember featured Brian Robinson on one of those mic'ed up episodes. I think it kind of explains why everyone loves him. Good guy, totally into the game and supporting everyone, really easy to root for. Just a great "team" player.

That doesn't change the fact that I think we need an upgrade or to add lightning to his thunder, but you can see why players and coaches get attached to the guy.

And I want to quibble with skinsinparadise critique of BRob. We've seen Brain break a lot of tackles. We've seen him routinely get hit behind the line of scrimmage and end up with a two or three yard gain. Problem isn't that he isn't a power back. He is. The problem is that he's a power back who wears down. At the end of every season, he seems to get hurt and when hurt he can no longer break those tackles.
 
He’s been underwhelming for awhile now. You see the difference when they would use Ekeler as a RB how different (ie… better) the rush attack looked with a more talented RB carrying the ball.

We need a serious RB on this roster because we don’t currently have that guy.
 
I feel like in the beginning of last season, when we were running the ball really well, we all talked about B Rob as one of our best players on offense. And then, at some point, the entire non-Jayden running game disappeared.

I still want a RB that’s a home run threat and weapon on passing downs. Give me Treyveyon Henderson. A guy that pass blocks like Clinton Portia and also has that burst, but is better catching the ball? Yes please. I don’t think he’s a Robinson replacement though.

Hampton would be great. Judkins could replace Robinson.

Honestly, I wouldn’t mind a RB double dip. Take one early and take one late. The talent is there this year. I wouldn’t plan around it. But, I wouldn’t object.

More on topic, with regards to FA, Rico, with street scores said that Travin Walker from the Jaguars could be available via trade. Not sure where that rumor came from.
 
He’s been underwhelming for awhile now. You see the difference when they would use Ekeler as a RB how different (ie… better) the rush attack looked with a more talented RB carrying the ball.

We need a serious RB on this roster because we don’t currently have that guy.
When I watch Ekeler he runs with what I describe as an "urgency", either when out of the backfield or when he catches a pass, Robinson seems to not have that same "urgency" in his running style.
 
I think there are two issues with the other backs. First a lack of decisiveness (which I think is what you are referring to), and secondly the burst to get through the hole quickly. I actually think of the 3 other guys besides Ekeler, McNichols has the best aggressiveness.
 
I remember featured Brian Robinson on one of those mic'ed up episodes. I think it kind of explains why everyone loves him. Good guy, totally into the game and supporting everyone, really easy to root for. Just a great "team" player.

That doesn't change the fact that I think we need an upgrade or to add lightning to his thunder, but you can see why players and coaches get attached to the guy.

And I want to quibble with skinsinparadise critique of BRob. We've seen Brain break a lot of tackles. We've seen him routinely get hit behind the line of scrimmage and end up with a two or three yard gain. Problem isn't that he isn't a power back. He is. The problem is that he's a power back who wears down. At the end of every season, he seems to get hurt and when hurt he can no longer break those tackles.

IMO they can get away with him as thunder but he's a jag thunder guy mostly. He's basically Perine who is used as an occasional change of pace type RB, not a lead guy. I don't even love him in that 2nd back role because he's so up and down but I can live with him as sort of a spot duty back. Too bad we don't have more picks because as far as power backs, they are plenty in this draft who IMO are better than him -- even in that 3rd-5th range. I'd take for example a power back Damien Martinez over Robinson anyday of the week and then some.

Agree. They definitiely need a lightening guy. I think Rodriguez likely can be the thunder if Robinson continues to slide so they can get away without upgrading power needs. But, I think more simply they need a #1 back and while I prefer speed, I'd be good with power too.

I got if anything a little invested in Brian Robinson, he was one of my 3rd-5th round fav wants in that draft. I wouldn't say I look bad on that take or that great either. He's sorted of ended up what some of his critics thought back then which was a decent power back but nothing special. He's about a 4 yards a carry guy, high 700 yards rusher. It's OK. Decent. But generally its yawn from the context of having anything that scares the opponent's defense on the ground.

Typically, running backs playing with special mobile QBs for the first time have career bests. RPOs, ROs freezes defenders -- and they are terrified of the QB running so the RBs feed off of it. I recall seeing somewhere that Henry had like double the runs he's had in his typical season where he was untouched with his first few steps because the focus was on Lamar, etc. It's practically conventional wisdom to expect career years out of Rbs who are playing for the first time with an electric running QB. We saw that with Alfred Morris. Morris who was no where near the same dude after that 2012 season.

So with the sun shinning at 72 degrees, the seas parted perfectly for Robinson. Yet he has another pedestrian and up and down season. Imagine a good back playing in this system? There is nothing that Robinson is special at. He's an average at best run blocker. Average pass catcher. Decent power runner -- but also VERY inconsistent and consistency with the run game is important. Part of the idea of you are going to major with a power back is to get more consistency because in theory they can make something out of nothing like we saw for example with that Rodriguez TD run against Tennessee.

It's borderline IMO wild to have this dude as the #1 back for a team wanting to make the SB, especially in the NFC playoffs where you are dealing with Barkley, Gibbs, Irving, Kryen Williams, etc. Talk about going to a gun fight with a knife. We made up for it by having Jayden the prime runner for more games than not but we can't sustain it.

"We've seen" past tense is the operative point. He's played with more oomph it seems to me in the past or early this season. But he tends to get hurt, banged up, etc and he does not to my estimation play with the same ferocity game in and game out. Heck I recall someone said they noticed on the sidelines Robinson noticing how Rodriguez was plowing through Tennessee defenders and it inspired him to have some reps playing with that same oomph. Forgot who said it whether it was a player, Paulsen?

I've made this point on the draft thread when talking about Tahj Brooks. I said Brooks is now who Robinson USED to be. Robinson was never a great back or arguably even a good back. But he's had some good games. For most of last half of the season, Robinson was a below average running back. And I usually don't think of that of him. I usually think he's at least average, maybe 6 out of 10. I think you take a 6 out of 10 running back and they turn into a 4.5, you need to upgrade.

Logan Paulsen who is about a sunny side up as it gets about this team ironically was talking about the subject on Sheehan in a recent podcast where they both thought it was possible that this team moves on from Robinson after the draft.

I mentioned he's a good guy from what I hear. But I am old school Joe Gibbs style, hate players that give bulletin board material to the opposition. And among other things it came off comical when Brian publicly said Washington was the better team over the Eagles. And equally comically when he started that game days later by giving the Eagles two fumbles. lol, I am sure the Eagles enjoyed ribbing Brian about it while he was on the ground coughing the ball up and having another bad game against the team that has no problem shutting him down, at least this year they don't. I would say Robinson just had a rare one off comment but then seeing him do it with a Lions player -- made me think dude, just keep quiet and let your play do your talking versus your mouth.
 
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We need a weapon in the backfield, someone with speed, wiggle, and can catch. We've been doing the 3rd, 4th rd RBs for a while. They are serviceable but they don't scare anyone. It's the last piece to the puzzle on offense
 
Can't argue with any of that. I think JAG Thunder guy is damn accurate.

The one thing that surprised me when we drafted him is I didn't get why we expended a fairly high pick on a player who wasn't good enough to start on his college team. Then, he had a fairly strong rookie season after he recovered from the gunshot. So, he became someone we rooted for, but I always feared his ceiling was very low. I always referred to him as a singles hitter who could occasionally hit a double but lacked the power to ever hit much out of the park.

I'd probably say when healthy he's a C+ back. When dinged, he can be anything from a C- to an F back. He just doesn't have the wiggle, speed reserves, or any overwhelming trait that allows him to win when he's not playing optimally. Worse, he really let the fumbles shake him. When a slow back becomes tentative if it's never going to work.
 
Can't argue with any of that. I think JAG Thunder guy is damn accurate.

The one thing that surprised me when we drafted him is I didn't get why we expended a fairly high pick on a player who wasn't good enough to start on his college team. Then, he had a fairly strong rookie season after he recovered from the gunshot. So, he became someone we rooted for, but I always feared his ceiling was very low. I always referred to him as a singles hitter who could occasionally hit a double but lacked the power to ever hit much out of the park.

I'd probably say when healthy he's a C+ back. When dinged, he can be anything from a C- to an F back. He just doesn't have the wiggle, speed reserves, or any overwhelming trait that allows him to win when he's not playing optimally. Worse, he really let the fumbles shake him. When a slow back becomes tentative if it's never going to work.

The thing most alarming about him is the fact that Jayden being a running threat and all the RPOS-ROs added zero to him taking it up a notch. Nada.

If they add a dynamic back, it should be a major improvement.

Logan Paulsen hit that note hard on the podcast that it would be another needed game changer for this offense.
 
Yeah, Jayden had defenses confused and guessing. A good decisive back should make money off that. In fairness, I think he did at least to the degree he could until he got hurt. That and the fumbles derailed him. It's also not impossible that Jayden pulled the ball a few too many times, but you can't really blame Daniels given how ineffective Robinson mostly was throughout the second half of the season.
 
Id go so far as to say Rodriguez can give us at least what Robinson gives us with probably a little more burst. If we do pick up another back (primary type) I thing Robinson becomes the one in the room that's expendable, everyone else has more late down value then BR.
 
Id go so far as to say Rodriguez can give us at least what Robinson gives us with probably a little more burst. If we do pick up another back (primary type) I thing Robinson becomes the one in the room that's expendable, everyone else has more late down value then BR.
Except we know the front office likes brob more than Rodriguez or at least they did last year anyway.
 
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Except we know the front office likes brob more than Rodriguez or at least they did last year anyway.
Has to be something we are not seeing, maybe they think durability as an every down back is an issue for C Rod? No clue. I do recall DQ praising B Rob a number of times as being a tough runner, but beyond that, no clue. Id be shocked if AP thinks we dont need an upgrade. Especially after watching opposing backs against us in the playoffs.
 
Its partially on JD as well... the fist 2/3 of the season he often made the wrong reads on when to hand off the ball and when to keep it. He got better at it the last 3rd of the season... but yes, I soured greatly on Robinson. Its like the team got rid of Gibson because he wasn't a true rb and replaced him with the slightly bigger version of the same. We need an upgrade
 
I’ve got mixed feelings about BRob, early last year if you asked me I would’ve said he’s the straw that stirred the drink on offense… I thought the physicality he brought gave the offense an identity… I also thought he was sorely missed in the first Philly matchup and had he played, it may have been a different outcome… we were more finesse without him.

But when he came back, he didn’t look the same, maybe he was injured or just out of sync, not sure, but since I’ve been wanting a game changing type back… maybe that’s what the coaching staff thinks too, when healthy great bruiser but need a shifty #1.

Plus after the DQ embrace (I think during the Tampa game) I’m thinking he’s a coaches favorite locker room guy… either way I’d be shocked if he’s not on the team next season getting the bulk of the carries.
 
Robinson had high expectations after a solid 23....

Those came slowly crashing down, unfortunately. It was easy to see he was failing the eye test. He didnt forget how to play. He got injured. Quinn used gamesmanship to try to hide it as best he could. Yanked him for a 2nd half and said it wasnt injury related. And then missed the next game IIRC. Then, the fumbles hit and he was a different player. And some may argue, person. For example, he skipped out on his weekly call in to 106.7. When he finally had a nice game Quinn was his biggest fan. Its obvious to me his confidence was shattered. Shadoobie. And dare I think, Quinn may still be his biggest fan here in 25. Draft day may show Quinn's hand.

If he is healthy confident and used in the passing game far more than he was, he should be able to revert back to 23's numbers, especially since some may be wagering we'll have better run blocking this time around.
 
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Except we know the front office likes brob more than Rodriguez or at least they did last year anyway.
I've never quite understood the love for Rodriguez. He's fine. He's run hard in spots to close games out. I don't think he's any better than Robinson. I could be wrong, but I dunno. I've never been just wowed by his ability.

I think BRob and his style were a big part of the physical play mantra they championed, and they like both the player and the style. I get the feeling they might be a bit hesitant to change that up. They don't want to mess with the chemistry too much, nor do they want to move away from the physicality.

But that leaves them in a bit of a pickle if they want to get explosive plays form the RB, because BRob just can't do that.

I think they like all of the backs, but they're going to have to make a choice at some point. If they draft a guy, who is the odd man out? They would, at that point, have 5 RBs who can play under contract: Rookie, BRob, Ekler, CRod (who they tendered), and McNichols (who they re-signed.) They like all of them. You'd assume the rookie would be on the roster. So, then do they go rookie, BRob, Ekler? Do they cut BRob and go Rookie, Ekler, pick one of CRod or McNichols with the other going to the PS? I find that unlikely. Send CRod back to the PS, but then what to do with McNichols?

My gut tells me they're going to think too much of BRob to cut him. But that might end up being very limiting.
 
I still think BRob is fine and a pretty darn good back when healthy.

McNicoles and Rod are absolute Jags.
Eh. I think BRob is "just fine" when healthy. But he's not explosive, doesn't have great vision, doesn't have the explosiveness to get outside, and can't break off big runs.

I've never seen it with CRod. He's ok. I like McNichols more than most. But he's a backup.

I think the problem is all three of them should really be backups.
 

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