Who will the new coach/GM be?

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I think we can safely bet that change is in the air. We've lost to some of the worst teams in the NFL and barely squeaked out a win against other bottom dwellers. The defense after four years looks clueless. The offense is one-dimensional though we're pretty excited about that dimension. The depth and starters in several units are below par and the player development has been lacking.

So, who do you have your eye on? What characteristics, traits, or lineage do you hope for? Do you want a gray beard, an up and comer, a mix? Do you want to only consider GM prospects and ignore coaching in hopes that the new front office comes with a plan?

I think I would like to get someone from a perenially good team. Even moreso, if that team doesn't have a HOF QB to cover up all its ills. Given that, if there's a lieutenant ready to take the next step I'd love to grab a GM from the San Francisco tree. Likewise, I might poke around the Eagles and maybe the Dolphins. Those seem to be the deepest teams and the ones that have built their team really well. So, I'd want to look at someone who has learned that philosophy and might practice that style of aquisition.

I don't have a strong feeling about who should be head coach, but would like to go young there, too. I think hunger is the name of the game. There's more risk choosing someone who's never done it before, but I prefer a high ceiling over a high floor. I might tilt towards someone familiar with West Coast concepts just because Howell has seems to be playing well in such a system.

I'm not opposed to considering Bienemy, but he'd need a really good explanation as to why he never even tries to run the ball. He'd also need a good answer why it took him nearly half the season to address the line and use his bench. I have thought the offense in general has outperformed expectations so Bienemy has a shot, but he'd need a really good throw of the dice to actually become the guy given everything else. The one thing he may have going for him is that he's only been here one year so you can't lay the stink of the last four on his doorstep.
 
I've posted this before, but..

This might be the only route to giving Eric Bienemy his first HC gig (assuming Borgonzi thinks he's the right guy). He'd seemingly be much more willing to take a risk on Bienemy than other GM candidates might be. Brett Veach, the current KC GM is only 45 and he's not going anywhere. Borgonzi is considered one of the leagues best and brightest so he won't get his chance in KC. I think this could be the ideal move (again, assuming he is a big Eric Bienemy fan).

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I love Borgonzi's resume, and I'm calling it - he's going to be our next GM. Graduate of Brown University. Financial background. Former fullback on Brown's football team. Some coaching and recruiting experience. He's got relevant experience across the board and all he has done is succeed everywhere he has been. Plus - he looks a little like Bobby Flay and we could use some good cooking in that front office. Here's his bio from the Chiefs website:

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Mike Borgonzi enters his 14th season with Kansas City Chiefs in 2022. He was promoted to Assistant General Manager in 2021 after serving three seasons as the club's Director of Football Operations (2018-20) and three seasons as the club's Director of Player Personnel (2017)/Co-Director of Player Personnel (2015-16).

In his current capacity, Borgonzi supervises and directs the club's college and professional scouting operations while closely supporting and advising General Manager Brett Veach with the club's roster management and player acquisition via the NFL Draft, NFL free agency, street free agency, waiver claims and trades.

Borgonzi served as the club's Assistant Director of Pro Scouting (2013-14) and as the club's Pro Personnel Scout (2011-12) where he evaluated all professional players, recommended free agents, oversaw free agent workouts, evaluated college players, and assisted the coaching staff with advance scouting reports for the teams' upcoming opponents.

In 2010, he served as the club's Manager of Football Operations where he coordinated team logistics, assisted in budget planning for various departments, oversaw day-to-day operations on the football side and wrote player evaluation reports on a weekly basis for the club's advance scouting.
Borgonzi joined the Chiefs in 2009, serving as the club's College Scouting Administrator where he worked closely with the College Director and college scouts to ensure proper planning of the college department while assisting in player evaluation reports on both the college and pro side.
Prior to joining the Chiefs, Borgonzi served two seasons as the Assistant Recruiting Coordinator at Boston College (2007-08) where the team played in the ACC Championship twice and won the 2007 Champs Bowl. Before working in the financial sector in Boston for several years, he served as the tight ends coach at Amherst College in 2002.

The Everett, Massachusetts, native was a four-year starter as a fullback on the Brown University Football Team, earning All-Ivy League honors three times. Borgonzi's brother, Dave, is currently the LB Coach for the Chicago Bears.

Education: Brown University (B.A. 2002). Family: Wife - Jill; Son, Joseph; Daughter, Nina.
 
I like it. The Chiefs have been good even pre-Mahholmes. There was enough talent to get Alex Smith to the Chamipionship game (or a bunch of playoff games anyhow.) so that negates or lessens my fear that he's only a byproduct of a phenom quarterback.
 
Brandt Tillis the VP of Football Operations for KC is another intriguing guy. He is a 'salary cap' genius (like Howie Roseman was) - not the usual background for GMs but...

 
Andy Weidl, the Steelers VP of Football Operations is another guy who there is a lot of buzz about.
 
I think the important part is Josh Harris hiring a new personnel chief and letting him hire the coach.

We can't have the GM being hired and then the ownership group going out and signing their own coach and expecting the two to work together.
 
Was driving and had sports radio on. They're trying to push the Belichik to skins rumor.

I find it far fetched. It does look like Harris preferred gray beards when he made his NHL and NBA choices, but a gray beard for the 'skins would play badly. It would look way too much like a Snyder move. On top of which, if Harris really is an analytics guy I suspect he'll see that the success rate for retreads is quite low. More if he does envision a real rebuild or "process" then why on Earth would you bring it at super top dollar a guy like Belichik who probably has very little tread left on the tires.
 
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No thanks. His performance since Brady left leaves a lot to be desired. A whole lot.
 
No thanks. His performance since Brady left leaves a lot to be desired. A whole lot.
Much like the Skins when the Hogs were done. Not the coaches' fault. The team was built around them. Personally I think BB has done a lot with nothing the last few years.

As an aside the Skins are making a huge mistake not firing RR right now. Why wait? Everyone I knows it's coming. Hes a dead man walking. Give the team and the fans shot in the arm. The stadium is less burgundy every week. The new ownership is already screwing up IMO, digging a deeper and deeper hole.
 
I guess this thread is as good as any for this topic ... i absolutely understand the sentiment, but it seems to me if Harris is going to fire Rivera in-season, it shouldn't be on a short week with the team playing a national TV game against a contending team on the road in about 80 hours. Not fair to whoever drew the short straw and had to wear the headset on the sidelines for all the myriad reaction-shots as things almost certainly spiral downward during the game. And not really fair to the players either---they're already trying to make soup out of sludge every week as it is.

Given how ugly I suspect the turkey day affair night get, with a week-plus before the next game, that would be the time to do it.
 
If they decide to fire Rivera and/or others, it's simply to make it clear now that there will be a new regime in 2024. Whether that message is aimed at players or to the fanbase or both, it will be little more than a 'hang in there, change is coming' message intended to calm the restless.

There's no value beyond that. It's too late barring miracles to make 2023 meaningful. Highly likely we have an all new front office and coaching staff so whether they are digging deeper in the hole doesn't matter, we are starting over at season's end.

I am fine if they fire Rivera and/or JDR. I'm tired of hearing them try and spin what we've been watching for years. But football-wise, it's irrelevant imho.
 
Agreed--firing Ron and Jack at this point would only be useful in sending a clear a message that incompetence will not be tolerated any more. A message that I do see having some value for a deeply damaged fan base, as well as to any and all players, coaches and staff who have any intentions of being here going forward.
 
I guess this thread is as good as any for this topic ... i absolutely understand the sentiment, but it seems to me if Harris is going to fire Rivera in-season, it shouldn't be on a short week with the team playing a national TV game against a contending team on the road in about 80 hours. Not fair to whoever drew the short straw and had to wear the headset on the sidelines for all the myriad reaction-shots as things almost certainly spiral downward during the game. And not really fair to the players either---they're already trying to make soup out of sludge every week as it is.

Given how ugly I suspect the turkey day affair night get, with a week-plus before the next game, that would be the time to do it.
This is where I am right now.

If this is going to happen "in season" it happens on Black Friday (you can't make this stuff up, right?) or it happens on 12/4 after the Dolphins game which is right before the bye. Honestly, not sure which one I prefer and my guess is that our showing against the Cowboys could be a huge factor in timing.

All of this assumes Harris is inclined to make a change before the end of the season, of course. While I think there is a need, we all know that guys at that level think and work differently.
 
I can see only two benefits to firing Rivera and Del Rio (I think part of the problem is you have to fire both) in season.

1) You want to test drive Bienemy as I've said before
2) You think the coaches are loafing and mailing it in. If so, firing them might tell the players that this is unacceptable. Culture statement.
Bonus) Rivera probably should have done what the Bills did after the Bears or the first Giants game and fire Del Rio and taken over defensive play calling. I do get that Rivera probably feels like he owes Del Rio for the way he stood up when Rivera was going through chemo, but that was the time to shake things up. Slow and steady and the system works clearly didn't get it done.
 
I don’t see any positive to making a move for the remainder of the season unless it is simply making an internal change at DC. The only substantive domino remaining for this season is draft position. The only substantive long-term concern remaining for this season is the ‘growth and development’ of the young QB and EB already has his hands full with that.

The timing of the team sale was unfortunate but at least it happened.
 
My question is, if the continuing development of Sam Howell is your #1 priority for the rest of this season (anyone disagree that it has to be?), how does handing the HC role to Bienemy helpful in that regard?

Seems like it could actually be the worst thing you could do from that vantage point.
 
Would it though (Serious question)? Aren't defense and offense little fiefdoms. Doesn't an offensive head coach mostly stay with the offense and let the defense do its thing and visa versa? How much of a head coach's attention is really diverted to things outside of game pnning their side of the ball and preparation?

Now, it's true. It takes a lot of practice to look stern and cross your arms over your chest. That takes a ton of time in front of the mirror to get right. And sure, head coaches are obligated to have more media availability, but I guess after all these years I don't know what a HC does that makes it impossible for them to be a HC and OC or a HC and a DC.
 
My question is, if the continuing development of Sam Howell is your #1 priority for the rest of this season (anyone disagree that it has to be?), how does handing the HC role to Bienemy helpful in that regard?

Seems like it could actually be the worst thing you could do from that vantage point.
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