Stand Pat or Balls to the Wall at Trade Deadline?

Stand Pat or Balls to the Wall at Trade Deadline?

  • Sell the farm but only trade guys going into free agency

    Votes: 2 25.0%

  • No player is safe - consider any/all trade offers

    Votes: 2 25.0%

  • Stand pat - I don't trust the current regime to make good decisions

    Votes: 4 50.0%
  • Total voters
    8
  • Poll closed .
If the Giants can get two picks (a second and a fifth) for a 29 year old underperforming DT then Washington should be able to get at least that for a performing DE in his prime. The conditions of both teams are similar. New York is trading pieces because they stink. Washington is fielding offers because they stink. The only difference may be that our coaches and front office are on the hot seat (which should mean they value winning now more than draft picks so teams should offer more) and the players we want to move are expiring (not sure if Leonard is.

What I'm saying is that Washington should trade, but the Giants proved they don't need to get fleeced. The Giants just set the market.
 
But Sweat is attractive because he is durable, has a high work ethic and produces more consistent results.

For a playoff team looking for a piece to add to the puzzle to get them over the top that kind of player is the one they are looking for most.

Chase Young in contrast is the type of player with the type of history best traded in the offseason or during the draft when the potential factor for him becomes more of an issue for clubs looking at the next 3-5 years.

Right now teams aren't thinking about the next 3-5 years, they are thinking about 2023.

In 2023 Sweat I think grades out as a better football player on the field and does not have an injury history that chases clubs away or causes them to offer diluted compensation.
 
I think good GMs and good teams will want Sweat. Bad teams and bad GMs will want Young because they see the hype of the number 2 pick and see the highlights of a few plays he makes each game. I’d be fine if they found one of each to trade with.
 
Boy, did Washington WHIFF big time on free agents and impact draft picks in 2023.

Andrew Wylie, Nick Gates, Cody Barton, etc. have made ZERO positive impact on the team. As I expected the ex-Giant Gates is a waiver wire quality player we had no business signing early in free agency. New York had one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL and the fact we were shopping around their junk heap for players is beyond my comprehension. Combine that with a player that missed the past year and a half with serious injury and you end up with a player that usually gets picked up as a street free agent mid-season as an injury replacement.

The draft picks as discussed may or may not turn out to be contributors. But there are no immediate impact players in this draft despite Washington drafting in the top half of each round.

After we made each pick I would read their pre-draft bios and almost to a man we drafted these guys a round or two higher than they were projected to go.

That lack of value shopping and player acquisition is a large reason the Eagles continue to be the class of the division while Washington is in or near the cellar each season.

Why this team can't ever seem to find a young pass catching tight end to help out the quarterbacks is beyond me. Other teams draft these guys each year and we seem to pass on them as if we don't need to add to the position. We clearly don't value it.

That would seem to run counter to the introduction of Andy Reid's offense under Bieniemy here in DC. It will be interesting to see what happens at the position in 2024 if Bieniemy is retained or if a new coaching staff evaluates the offense and decides a change in direction is needed.
 
I’m on record that Stromberg will eventually be the only reliable starter from this draft. Other than him, and maybe Rodriguez, I think the draft was a colossal bust. Too early to be sure but it looks bad. And free agency? Same as it ever was.
 
As I recall Stromberg was the one player that was drafted in the range projected - 3rd to 4th round.

All of the others were overdrafted by the various projections I read during the draft.

Worst of all was Braeden Daniels - we took him in Round 4 and the bios I read had him going in Round 6 or 7.

That's a BIG TIME discrepancy between what others were seeing and what Washington was seeing.

And since the Ron Regime is not Bobby Beathard or Bill Parcells making the picks, the doubt is definitely there that the team screwed up.

Again, though we should have drafted a TE to run Bieniemy's offense. It's the least we could have done to help Eric and Sam get off the ground with an additional short to intermediate target to ease the transition.

Instead we are in essence using the 5'9 185 Jamison Crowder at age 31 as a receiver running the tight end routes.

That's a tacit admission that the 4 tight ends on the roster can't get the job done.
 
The biggest head scratcher to me is still Quan Martin. I looked at Kurl, Forrest, Butler, and Reaves and said... Why are we drafting a safety? To be worth the pick, he better be so good that he could unseat players who had already contributed and did more than flash. Yet, it turns out he can't even be trusted in dime packages?

It's too early for any rookie to bust, but Quan was a luxury pick or a "too good to miss out on" pick. This team could afford neither.

Interestingly, I think this whole draft was about thinking themselves smarter than everyone else. That's why Forbes was grabbed over two much higher rated players. That's why Martin was taken over line help. That's why Daniels was taken despite being raw and not having a position. This brain trust thought versatility more important than execution. And yes, it's great to have players who can slide over and fill in, but it's better to have players who can execute their primary position at a high level.
 
I thought he was drafted to be a hybrid corner/safety so he could play all 3 downs, slipping to the slot on long yardage downs to help with down the field coverage.

The problem was Martin wasn't on anyone else's radar screen as a guy with that much skill and versatility.
 
Wow! Both Chase and Young dealt.
 
Wanted to keep Montez.... Watch Young have a career day against us. Hoping Sam is inactive for that game
 
Sure hope your right. Pairing him up with Bosa could be problematic for good O lines
 
Miles Monroe said:
Sure hope your right. Pairing him up with Bosa could be problematic for good O lines
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There's a part of me that thinks we ought to sit Howell against Dallas and the 49ers unless Larson and Paul actually show that they can stabilize the line. I know they won't. They probably shouldn't, but I don't like to imagine Howell facing those rushers.
 
Miles Monroe said:
Wanted to keep Montez.... Watch Young have a career day against us. Hoping Sam is inactive for that game
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Young or Sweat may have big games or big careers after leaving. They may not. Time will tell for sure. But they didn’t do it consistently here. Both did some good and had their moments. But neither was a consistent game changer like was expected. It also could be coaching and usage that made them less than what was expected. I never concern myself with what someone else does on another team. Seeing highlights is different than seeing someone play day in and day out. Plus we know Del Rio and Rivera are not giving the defense what they need. So they may thrive in another system. Good for them if they do. But they are gone and the next man up will be the guy I root for.
 
I would not have traded for Chase Young if I were an NFL GM. I would have traded for Montez Sweat if I had a salary cap for 2024 where there were monies available to add an anchor on the defensive line.

Evidently, that is what NFL teams thought about the two as there were multiple teams offering packages to Washington for Sweat whereas Young ends up going for what is likely a selection SIXTY picks later than the one received from the Bears.
 
And I don’t think the future leaders should be held responsible for what young and sweat do after they leave. Even if they ball out…. I really don’t want to hear a bunch of “we failed letting him go”
 
There is no way Chase Young with his current play is a $25M a year player over his next contract.

San Francisco is renting him for 9 games. We will see if they ultimately sign him, my guess is they will not.

But in any case, there is no way you give Young a big contract based upon such a limited sample size - he has missed a year and a half and played poorly in his sophomore season before he was injured.

This is not a case of a proven veteran who racks up 10 plus sacks and is a durable contributor being shipped out of town.

And it is not at all similar to the ham-handed trade of Trent Williams two or three years ago.

Trent Williams is a consistent pro bowl player who gave Washington many superb seasons before falling out with the club and The Danny.
 
Bulldog has the only point that ultimately matters. They could not pay Young what he and his agent were going to ask for based on 'potential' and a decent 2023 performance. Could not. So the only conversation after you come to that determination is 'what can we get for him'. I will never be convinced it is JDRs fault that Young was never close to the player in DC he was 'supposed to be'. Ultimately, no matter how a team uses you, no matter the scheme, you beat the players in front of you. With Youngs physical gifts, he should've been dominating most of the time. It was never close to that.

I don't wish ill on the guy. I just don't want to hear about him and listen to all of the rationalizations for why he's still underperforming.
 
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