Haskins - Going Forward

Would this situation be different if Andy Reid or Belichick had drafted him?

Certainly. If an established coach or GM had evaluated and drafted him there would be more confidence up front in the vision.

When a know-nothing owner makes the decision it is immediately suspect.

The fact the Cardinals, Giants, Dolphins, Chargers all passed on Haskins is an indication draft boards were far from unanimous on his potential in the NFL and the team to make the selection didn’t seem to be unitedwithin the building.
 
I'm closing this thread so that we can keep the current conversation in the Haskins benched thread.
 
Boone said:
FIrstly - let's stop hanging the last 30 years around Rivera's neck - what possible relevance does it have to him? As far as 'rushing' - if Haskins isn't ready and can't perform at an acceptable level, why should they 'rush' him into the starting role? He's not ready, and to some degree as Rivera stated today, that's not Haskin's fault. The only mistake Rivera has made with Haskins was giving him the chance to start in the first place. Allen and Alex may not be the future - but that doesn't mean Haskins IS. More than likely, our 'future' isn't on this roster. The last person whose fault that is, is Ron Rivera.
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Not hanging the past 30 years on Rivera.
The man literally said he was going to build this team the right way,that basically it was no quick fix and this was basically an evaluation year.
He basically admitted that he knew coming in the team wasn't ready to compete and he had ownership's blessing to do an actual rebuild.

That lasted four games.
Today's theme is now "I was brought here to win".

So which is it Ron? Win now or Build this thing right(which alot of folks here want) to compete for the long haul instead of making a wild card appearance once every 8-10 years?
 
Maybe sitting Haskins is part of “building this the right way.”

Just saying...
 
DieselPwr44 said:
Not hanging the past 30 years on Rivera.
The man literally said he was going to build this team the right way,that basically it was no quick fix and this was basically an evaluation year.
He basically admitted that he knew coming in the team wasn't ready to compete and he had ownership's blessing to do an actual rebuild.

That lasted four games.
Today's theme is now "I was brought here to win".

So which is it Ron? Win now or Build this thing right(which alot of folks here want) to compete for the long haul instead of making a wild card appearance once every 8-10 years?
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I agree he's been sending some mixed signals. I think he felt pressure to try and make Haskins work. I think he and Turner found out quickly that they couldn't - at least not in the short term. I also think it's likely that key players are in their coaches ears as well, because they don't want to stumble through an entire season with a QB who can't help them win games. I also believe Jack Del Rio's been in RIvera's ear. I imagine the conversation has gone something like this: 'If you can get me a QB and offense in there that can score more than 17 points a game, we have a chance to win this division'.

Bottom line: Haskins isn't ready. We all wanted him to be (as I'm sure the coaches did). He's not. It's fine for you to want them to leave him out there, possibly finally figuring it out, possibly struggling indefinitely. There are folks who wish we still had RG3 doing the same thing. But I'm not one of them.
 
It's very rare when I agree with Mike Jones but he nails it here: https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...hington-football-team-quarterback/5916733002/

The plan seemed to call for evaluating Haskins throughout the offseason, training camp and, if the Ohio State product won the starting job, for as much of the season as possible so Rivera and the organization would know if they had their quarterback of the future.

But the coronavirus’ impact on the NFL meant no offseason practices or preseason games, depriving Haskins of occasions for growth.
Yet Rivera named him the starter. Meanwhile, aware that this team wasn’t in win-now mode, Washington filled its roster with developmental project players, parting with many established veterans in hopes the moves would afford those young players ample opportunities to learn on the job.

But at the quarter mark of the season, with Haskins’ play uneven and not a single team in the NFC East sporting a winning record, Rivera has benched the potential future of the franchise, admittedly shifting his goal because of circumstances around him.
“You look at where everybody else is in our division: 1-2-1, 1-3, 1-3 and 0-4,” Rivera said. “We haven’t been as successful as I like to be in those four games, and I haven't seen the growth that I was looking for in those four games. So, to continue to do that with a chance to step up in the division, I think I’d be wrong to continue to try to do the same thing. … If we come out of this having won three of the four, we’re right in the middle of it. OK? Right now, is the chance that I think is the time to take the shot to see.”
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Boone said:
I agree he's been sending some mixed signals. I think he felt pressure to try and make Haskins work. I think he and Turner found out quickly that they couldn't - at least not in the short term. I also think it's likely that key players are in their coaches ears as well, because they don't want to stumble through an entire season with a QB who can't help them win games. I also believe Jack Del Rio's been in RIvera's ear. I imagine the conversation has gone something like this: 'If you can get me a QB and offense in there that can score more than 17 points a game, we have a chance to win this division'.

Bottom line: Haskins isn't ready. We all wanted him to be (as I'm sure the coaches did). He's not. It's fine for you to want them to leave him out there, possibly finally figuring it out, possibly struggling indefinitely. There are folks who wish we still had RG3 doing the same thing. But I'm not one of them.
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Dwayne's not ready. The rest of the team ain't ready either.
That's the conundrum.

Wanted Dwayne to have the season. That way, if he didn't pan out you could start making Qb plans in December,knowing truly what you had.
 
I think it's quite possible they've already decided he's not the QB for this team. Could be him making the same mistakes repeatedly (which they cited today), could be a lack of maturity (this decision coming on the heels of him allowing his agent to blame the organization for his challenges on social media), who knows - but they may have already decided he's not the guy.

So - if you're a coach, and you've decided he's not the guy to lead your team, are you going to continue starting him? He didn't bring in a vet to make a playoff run. He didn't turn to Alex Smith. He is starting another young QB. So maybe he IS assessing talent at the QB position so he knows what he has to do in the offseason - it's just not the talent we all wanted it to be.
 
Ummm, he had Kyle Allen for three years in Carolina.

So he knows what Haskins is after 4 games but not Allen who he had for three years?
 
I guarantee you they both watched every snap Haskins has taken in college and in the NFL. They certainly have a better idea of how he's performing than we do :) The same is true of Allen who has played 13 games for the Panthers over 2 seasons (not 3). Apparently, they think one player is capable of learning and improving, and efficiently running the offense, and maybe the other one isn't demonstrating that?

It's fine to say 'they should give him a year or two to prove he can do it'. The only problem is, what if he can't?
 
They'd know in less than a year Boone. Four games though?

What if Joe Gibbs had given up on Mark Rypien after his rocky start?

That's all I'm saying here...four games...just too small a sample size...especially given the state of the rest of the roster.
 
What if it’s not just his play?
 
The good thing about missing on a QB is that bust helps you get to the next top 10 pick. Darnold & Haskins are leading their franchises to *Lawrence, Fields & Lance just as Rosen led his team to Kyler. That’s selfless leadership.
 
What may be a factor here is attitude. Dwayne does not seem like a guy that takes constructive criticism well and perhaps Rivera was sick of seeing Turner go over the very same issues week after week without Haskins working effectively to show he was fixing them.

Again though look at the Chiefs.

Reid traded picks and went several seasons with Alex Smith before drafting Patrick Mahomes.

Sometimes the franchise quarterback is not the first building block you fit in place.

Mahomes came into a situation with Hill, Watkins and Kelce already in place.
 
Rivera & the staff thought they could build better habits in DH by connecting with him more personally than our previous staff did. They like the talent, but they thought they’d be much further along than they are; they may have overestimated their ability to influence the habits of a young millionaire.
 
Usually, the incentives are there for both management and player to put in a body of work prior to the franchise tag and let the chips fall where they may. For them to pull the plug now, means Haskins' play is so bad that there is no reason to continue. He's just too slow at processing what is happening on the field.

Also, agents going public with the beef is never a good idea....
 
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Am I the only one not shocked by this... ?
 
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