Random Commanders Thoughts

Neo is correct when mentioning Bobby Turner as the catalyst for successful RB campaigns with Shanahan as the HC. What do Terrell Davis, Olandis Gary, Tatum Bell, Mike Anderson, Reuben Droughns, Clinton Portis, and Alfred Morris all have in common? Bobby Turner - and Shanahan - but it is more on Bobby Turner.

Let's toss in an obscure 4th rounder from the 2014 draft. He was nothing of any consequence his first season. He had quite a season under Turner this year. Nothing to really something. Devonta Freeman.

Clinton Portis was the lone exception - he did have a longer career, but it was elsewhere. Morris is still pending as we know. Turner RBs have a great year or two, then they suddenly fade. Products of the system. Let's see where Freeman will be in the next year or two. Again, history suggests that they are products of a system.

I'll always love what Alfred did for this team, but it is time for him to move on. We have a different regime and system in place, including the front office where a mastermind resides and I will trust his judgment in this matter.

Also, Brandon Scherff was not meant to be a replacement for Morgan Moses. Moses was thought to be a candidate for moving inside, but early in training camp it became obvious that the two worked far better together in their current configuration.

Here is another video (I've posted several this year) of Scherff and Moses working together. They know each other and work extremely well with one another.
https://twitter.com/MarkBullockNFL/status/695319083286413312

My guess is that Alfred goes to Atlanta and has another good season as a compliment to Freeman and Tevin Coleman. He will have no more 1,000 yd seasons. I listed some targets that we may go after in FA and the draft in the BBQ thread (more are likely to come). That's the direction we're going.

The memories are awesome. Alfred will always have a special place in our hearts. The team has already announced their intentions and I choose to move forward.
 
Henry said:
I've addressed both in this thread a few pages ago. Om said pretty much the same thing you did.

RBs shouldnt need time to develop like linemen or recievers or QBs. Good RBs come into the NFL and produce immediately.

And yeah, I'm still concerned about Reed. Arent you?
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I'm concerned about every player. One play can derail a career. One play and it can come at any given moment or when we least expect it.
 
Henry said:
I've addressed both in this thread a few pages ago. Om said pretty much the same thing you did.

RBs shouldnt need time to develop like linemen or recievers or QBs. Good RBs come into the NFL and produce immediately.

And yeah, I'm still concerned about Reed. Arent you?
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Sorry - new work gig has me capable of not much more than drive-bys these days. I always worry about injuries. But most had Reed pegged as done coming into this year - there was near certainty that he was a weak sister who couldn't handle the physical game in the NFL. He made those folks look pretty silly for most of 2015. Will he show long-term durability? Don't know. He's been injury prone for sure. But he showed a growing physicality and toughness this year that most people said he was incapable of. My main point is, we are far too quick to give up on young players, or to make snap assessments (whether it be guys like Reed, Moses, or even Scherff being busts, or one year wonders being HOF QBs). It's just what we tend to do.
 
Goaldeje said:
Disagree, sort of. As I said, if Gruden says he will not play Morris because he doesn't fit his scheme, why on earth would Scot give Alfred anything more than the vet minimum?

Gruden has a LOT of say in this, imo.
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Goal - Gruden played Morris all year long brother - ALL year long when a lot of coaches would've sat him for poor performance. Whether or not Jones was better didn't matter - for a lot of the year I think just about any RB could do what Morris was doing - rushing straight into defenders and falling down. Gruden inherited Morris. That's a fact. Whether he's his RB of choice or not, who knows - but he HAS played him. A ton.

I didn't say that Gruden had no say in which players stay and which players go. I said that if Morris does go, it's because McCloughan either believes, or agrees, that he's not the right back for this offense, has diminishing skills, or most likely of all, isn't worth the $$ it would require.

The idea that when things work out incredibly well, it's all McCloughan's doing and in spite of Gruden's presence, but when things don't, it's because Gruden is shaky - not only sounds silly to me, but it runs counter to comments made by McCloughan himself as recently as last week. They are making decisions together with input from all of the staff.
 
Boone said:
Goal - Gruden played Morris all year long brother - ALL year long when a lot of coaches would've sat him for poor performance. Whether or not Jones was better didn't matter - for a lot of the year I think just about any RB could do what Morris was doing - rushing straight into defenders and falling down. Gruden inherited Morris. That's a fact. Whether he's his RB of choice or not, who knows - but he HAS played him. A ton.
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Agree. I would say Gruden was forced into playing Morris more than he wanted to because Jones disappointed and was injury-prone. The fact that Jones couldn't unseat Morris with the way Morris was playing says either, a) bad things about the offensive line, the offense in general, coaching, etc, or b) bad things about Jones, or c) both. Choices b and c mean that Scot gave up a third for a not-great player, certainly a possibility. However, given that Morris was coming off multiple 1,000 yard seasons, one of which was in Gruden's system, I personally weight things more towards choice a than the others.

But that probably isn't surprising. :)

Boone said:
I didn't say that Gruden had no say in which players stay and which players go. I said that if Morris does go, it's because McCloughan either believes, or agrees, that he's not the right back for this offense, has diminishing skills, or most likely of all, isn't worth the $$ it would require.
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Right. I think we're saying the same thing here. If Gruden says he doesn't think Morris is the right fit for his offense, why would Scot overpay for him? A good GM goes and tries to find players that fit his coach's scheme. Looks to me (so far) that Scot whiffed on his first attempt at getting Jay his RB, which is why I would be hesitant to let Morris go unless his contract demands are insane.

Boone said:
The idea that when things work out incredibly well, it's all McCloughan's doing and in spite of Gruden's presence, but when things don't, it's because Gruden is shaky - not only sounds silly to me, but it runs counter to comments made by McCloughan himself as recently as last week. They are making decisions together with input from all of the staff.
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I don't think I argued that. I fully and freely admit that I have much more faith and respect in Scot than I do in Jay, but I also just said I think Scot whiffed on Jones. At least to this point. That can certainly change, but right now it looks bad.
 
Yeah, Paulsen had one pretty solid season and then looked absolutely terrible. I see us drafting a big pass blocking TE this year or next.
 
While we're all hanging out waiting for the game, Tandler has put up his thoughts as to 'why' it's been so long for our team to be there.

Not much in the way of epiphany but more something we all ready know.

I do like his reference to 'gentlemen's agreement' and George's response. Guess times have changed, don't recall any penalties be mandated when Allen went against the will of the league.

A myth that many fans buy in to is that the organization suddenly became infatuated with free agency when Dan Snyder bought the team in 1999. Not true—it’s part of the team’s DNA, its culture. Some pre-Snyder free agent pickups during the 1990’s included defensive tackles Dana Stubblefield and Dan “Big Daddy” Wilkinson. The latter actually was acquired in a trade, which was the worst of both worlds. They gave Wilkinson a big contract and gave up their first- and third-round picks in the 1998 draft.

But the Redskins were buying free agents before 1993. CB Pat Fischer, DT Dave Butz, and LB Wilbur Marshall were all signed after their contracts expired with their old teams. The rules at the time required draft pick compensation for such signings. John Riggins was signed in 1976 when a one-year window allowed for unrestricted free agency to take place. A “gentlemen’s agreement” was in place that discouraged signing free agents (it would be called “collusion” today).But George Allen was having no part of that and signed several players, including Riggins.

Butz, Marshall, and Riggins all helped the Redskins win Super Bowls and without a salary cap their salaries didn’t matter all that much. That changed in 1993. The way to go became to use draft picks to build your team with relatively cheap labor and then give the big money to your homegrown talent. An occasional free agent pickup to bolster a weak spot is fine but acquiring veteran plays is a method that needs to be a supplement to the draft, not the other way around.
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Need to Know: Why have the Redskins not been to the Super Bowl in 24 years? | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins
 
So glad we didn't get Wade Phillips to be our DCoordinator.

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Fear The Spear said:
I can clear up that baffle-ment, with 2 words :
Tampa. Bay.
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I'd guess that you only need one word: Age

He's awesome.....but if he retires after only one or two years, then you have to start all over again.

I'd guess that's the reason why Chicago took Fangio, etc... And why so many teams passed on him.
 
McD5 said:
I'd guess that you only need one word: Age

He's awesome.....but if he retires after only one or two years, then you have to start all over again.

I'd guess that's the reason why Chicago took Fangio, etc... And why so many teams passed on him.
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They probably should have pulled out that all-too-familiar interview question :

Scott : "So, tell me Mr Phillips. Where do you see yourself in 5 years ?"
 
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If RG3 is cut, when will they do it?

We can't get anything in trade for him. So do you cut him now, and give him a lot of time to find another team? Or do you hold onto him until the last minute for a competitive advantage?

I just saw that Riley Cooper was cut from the Eagles. I imagine we'll begin to see a lot more cuts over the next day or two.
 
I do like Keim's take on us and Wade Phillips:

You can be upset about the Redskins not hiring Phillips, but do not kid yourself: The Redskins would not have suddenly become a top-10 defense just because of him. Phillips did a terrific job with Denver, but he started with a defense that was already top-five and had terrific players at every position group.
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I mean, we may have been better with Phillips as our D coordinator to be sure. But it wouldn't have made our talent level equal to the donkeys. In a way, it's always been somewhat impressive what we have gotten given the dearth of talent we've had for about 10 years.
 
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