Kirk Cousins Development Tracker

1) Cooley has an agenda. I'm interested in what he has to say...but I have listened to him long enough...and get his real gig...such that I don't trust him.

2) Think I'll stick with what my eyes see - if a swing pass isn't remotely close to the receiver...ehh...that's on the QB; if there are sprints where ALL receivers are halting their patterns, slowing down, reaching back over the wrong shoulder, watching balls zing over their head...I call that a pattern. Kirk has some great quarters and her clearly has streaks where the accuracy just isn't there.
 
I think we have a great chance to beat the Patriots. That is, unless they lose this week to Miami. Then we'd be in trouble.

I do believe they will lose one of the next two games.

Getting healthy would help us a ton right now. Culliver, Licht and Desean. We need all three.

If Gronk gets injured... maybe. Otherwise, I don't see it.
 
You guys have see our secondary, right? Brady handed the ball off FIVE times against the Jets. FIVE. I will be rooting hard, because eff the Pats, but...
 
I'm not saying fan observation is worthless or by default wrong (nor do I think Cooley is saying that). But don't equate our knowledge base and understanding of who's supposed to be doing what to a former offensive player's with ties to current players and coaches. The difference is, he knows, we like to think we do. I know it's unpopular with a lot of fans, but Cookey's take in summary is that Cousins is playing like a starter this year. Cooley characterized his play this season yesterday as '2 outstanding games, 3 good ones, and 2 bad games'. I don't have the expertise to judge but I do think Cousins is managing the offense much more skillfully than most fans are willing to credit him with.

As for an 'agenda' - I'd like to hear why Cooley would intentionally overrate a QB? Not arguing his assessment is infallible but not sure why we would question that he fully believes what he is saying?


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1) Cooley has an agenda. I'm interested in what he has to say...but I have listened to him long enough...and get his real gig...such that I don't trust him.
Agree with the eyeball-test, Kirk missing some throws part but just curious as to what you think Cooley's agenda is, something like anti-Griff, brown nosing the organization, what and to what end?

Most around here have trust issues when it comes to opinion that goes off the reservation according to self, nothing new there.
Still doesn't hurt to listen and acknowledge that there might be something of merit.
 
I'll finally update the stats for the past couple of weeks. Also, since I haven't heard or seen much on the topic, I went ahead and actually put an entry on my blog, a platform I actually used to use once in a while.

The Om Field: Cousins: A Tale of Two Quarterbacks

There have been two Kirk Cousins in 2015.

Seven games into his first season as a full-time starter, in four home games Cousins has shown a confidence and competence that make a strong case for him as a legitimate NFL quarterback:

108-for-144 (75%), 1006 yds, 6 TD, 2 INT, QB rating 101.8
Record: 3-1


That's a top-ten guy. Elite, no. Legit, yes.

Unfortunately, NFL teams play half their regular season games on the road. And through his first three road games in 2015, Cousins has simply not looked like the same player. His body language has been different, his decisions and throws have been different, and of course, the results have been different:

76-for-124 (61.3%), 731 yds, 3 TD, 6 INT, QB rating 65.6
Record: 0-3


That's a guy you have to scroll pretty far down the stats page to find.

And therein lies the rub. When you put the two Kirk's together, by NFL standards you have Just A Guy:

184-for-268 (68.7%), 1737 yds, 9 TD, 8 INT, QB rating 85.1
Record: 3-4


So where do the Redskins go from here? Easy. They spend the balance of 2015 finding out if Kirk Cousins can take his act on the road and be more than Just A Guy.

They might find out he cannot. They might even find out he heads the other direction and brings his shaky road act home. But until and unless that happens, his performances and results at home have shown enough promise to make it imperative the Redskins let him play out the season as starter. They cannot cave to public sentiment or anything other than pure football merit and pull the plug on Cousins in 2015.

As a rebuilding team long starved for legitimate, consistent quarterback play, the Redskins need to let him either prove he can take his act on the road, continue to grow as a player and leader, or if he is unable to overcome the road demons that have thus far scared the dickens heck out of him and anyone with a passing interest in the burgundy and gold.
 
I'm with Cooley and Om on this.

I think it's unreasonable to expect a QB to not throw any interceptions at all. Problem with Kirk is the rate is too high.

(Although.... this season is probably the only time we get to say..."Well he's no Tom Brady (1 int), but at least he ain't Peyton Manning!! (10 ints) hehe)

My view on his interceptions is that I think he's about average to be honest. He's on 8 ints in 7 games, that's more or less one a game.

Here comes the science bit!!! :D

Taking the top 28 QB's (taking only those that have attempted at least 150 passes) you get a total played games of 184 and over those games the QB's have thrown 156 Interceptions.
Works out at about 0.85 Interceptions per game. So just under 1.

Through 7 games the average QB should have thrown 6 interceptions. Kirk is on 8.

Now we have the rest of the year to see if he's always gonna be below average in that respect. Or if he regresses to the mean.

My personal view is that he is going to end up around the average by seasons end, about 1 a game. Which I can deal with. I also think with more playing time and experience and when we get our injured offensive line players and receivers back, he'll be less prone to the silly throws. I think we saw a good example this week of what Reed provides for him.

I can live with 1 interception a game because he's crazy low in the other REALLY important stat. Sacks.

While an interception can snuff out a drive I'll accept one of those in a game.
What is a killer (and was a big problem the last couple of years with RGIII) is sacks on first or second down.

If we can get our running game jump started again so we can move the ball on first down, we can start being more unpredictable on 2nd and 3rd. That's HUGE.

Our problem last year with RGIII was the sacks. Going from a 2nd and 5 to a 3nd and 10 because of a sack on 2nd down was bad and left us in bad positions all year with long 3rd downs and we were off the field. I feel that's why we're struggling at the moment, because we can't run the ball on first down, meaning the opposition knows that we're gonna have to throw on 2nd and 3rd.

In this regards Cousins is doing great.

(I know this brings up the old nutshell of 'What would RGIII have been like behind this O-Line?' and I'm as curious as anyone. But I'm just commenting on Kirk here and what he's doing well, not trying to dredge up that debate.)

I do believe a lot of our struggles lately are O-Line and injury related. I'm hoping we'll see the offense get better as the season goes on and as we get personnel back.

Reeds back and he provides a really handy weapon for Kirk and a measure of confidence. When DJax is back hopefully we'll finally be able to stretch the field a bit again. And if we can get our O-Line healthy and run the ball again everything will loosen up. I also feel that the more time goes on, the less Kirk will be looking over his shoulder at the bench to see who's up next. I'd imagine early in the year there was always a niggle in the back of his brain that said 'you play a bad game and RGIII is back...', it's human nature. But as the season goes on and he gets more comfortable and the fact that RGIII is not coming off the bench I really hope that he starts to forget about the bench and feels more at home.

I know some of you will disagree with me in that respect but I think the fact that Gruden and McCloughan have been steadfast in their support of Kirk this year is one of the best management things they could have done. I think this is McCloughans influence. I'd imagine at some point he probably talked to Gruden and said "Look Coach, if we put a QB behind centre we have to support him all the way, none of that sniping from previous years. These three are all we have and we do NOT want a QB controversy derailing our rebuild year!"

Like most of you I don't much like how RGIII was treated last year and how he's steadfast in his protection of Cousins this year. BUT I do feel it's MUCH better for the team and the QB and I'm glad he's doing it.

The most noticable thing about the first 7 weeks for the 2015 Redskins? A distinct lack of off field drama and controversy. I like it that way. I think that stuff has been a MAJOR problem for our team over the past couple of decades and I'm happy to see it stamped out as much as possible.
 
I'll finally update the stats for the past couple of weeks. Also, since I haven't heard or seen much on the topic, I went ahead and actually put an entry on my blog, a platform I actually used to use once in a while......

Nice post Om :D

And sorry for my rambling post again. It never seems like that much when I'm typing, it's only when I post it and look at it that it's huge! :S
 
Do you listen to Cooley on 980 Henry? I'm not saying he's the voice of God by any means, but if you listen to Cooley, a lot of what the fans see when it comes to what's happening on the field, particularly relative to the QB, is wrong. For example - fans beat on Cousins frequently for throwing behind Pierre Garcon. But according to Cooley, the throws are where they are supposed to be - the error is with Garcon who is not running deep enough routes repeatedly on out plays. That's just a small example.

I'm not saying fans are stupid or can't see. He makes mistakes - as all QBs (especially those with limited starting experience) make. But Cooley's assessment of the level of Cousins play is nothing like most fans. He's just one assessor, but he's an assessor who knows a lot more about what is supposed to be happening on these plays than we do. And whether he's 100% correct or not, I think his overwhelmingly positive reviews of Cousins demonstrate that what fans think and what players/coaches think are not necessarily in sync whatsoever.

Boone, I was never a professional tight end. I don't know anything about the ins and outs of the passing game. I can't argue any details about the game with any competence whatsoever. In fact, when I watch my 10 year-old play in the 80 pound league I have no idea who's in the right spot and who's missing his assignment or if the coach is making the correct calls. I don't know any of that stuff. I never did and I probably never will.

I do know what good football looks like. I have watched the game for longer Cooley has been alive and I've seen dozens, if not hundreds of players come and go and I think I have a pretty good grasp on what a good player looks like, what an average player looks like and crappy player looks like. It's not technical. It's not perfect. But if I don't mind my saying so I'm more right than wrong. Generally. :)

My impression of Cousins is that he's a Gus Frerotte, Patrick Ramsey, Jason Campbell. He that calibre. Those guys were, at times, capable starters. Hell, Frerotte went to a pro bowl and led us to two winning seasons. Those guys didn't suck. They could put the ball in the right spot a lot. They were fine players.

None of them were long term answers at QB. They are place-holders.

That's what I see in Cousins. I am thrilled he had a good second half this week and I LOVE the fire he showed after the game. LOVE that ****. But he's just a guy. And I really don't think we should be hitching our wagon to A Guy. We need a Franchise QB. We should be looking for one. Not debating about whether or not Cousins secretly didn't under throw this ball or that ball.

Let the guy finish the season. Let him have his moments. There's no reason not to.

But this offseason? We should be looking to upgrade. Cousins, as a mediocre starter coming off a contract year, will want starter money to be a starter. He should go somewhere else for that.

That's my opinion.
 
You need to get into politics and be a speech writer. I'm in awe. ;-)

LOL No thank you sir! I'll pass on the politics.

I just have a habit of rambling on. When I'm on a roll it all just streams out of my noggin. hehe

Truthfully though, beyond everything else this year I feel it's kind of refreshing not to have all the drama around the team.

I'm a self confessed RGIII fan, loved what he did in 2012. But above that I'm a Redskins fan and I'll back Kirk Cousins to the best of my ability to be the best he can be.

I admire the way RGIII has kept his quiet on the bench despite the best efforts of some quarters of the press to rile something up.

If you look back over years past with this team there was always something. Big trades for big names. The return of Gibbs. The splashy trades all in for RGIII. His 'All in' campaign in 2013. The hirings and firings fo coachs from big names to newnames. The whole Shana-clan fiasco last year. The past their best veterans we kept bringing in to play. Synder butting his nose into football affairs. The rollercoaster that is Fedex field, season ticket prices, value for money complaints, the removing of seats to keep the 'sell out' record intact. So many things. Even the tragic things like Sean Taylors death and the ongoing name issues of the team... Just feels like for the past two decades this team has been more about what goes on off the field than on.

I don't remember that stuff during our glory years? Maybe it's rose tinted specs looking back, but I just can't think of any big controversies back than...

And do other teams have a fraction of the off field drama that the Skins do?

For now we've got Snyder taking a back seat, we've got no real QB controversy and our coaching and management staff are making all the right decisive noises. They're even backing publically an Alfred Morris we all know is struggling. And they're generally playing players dependent on talent and not name or salary. It's smart football stuff.

Now we just have to stay the course...

Sorry... rambled again didn't I. LOL
 
But this offseason? We should be looking to upgrade. Cousins, as a mediocre starter coming off a contract year, will want starter money to be a starter. He should go somewhere else for that.

That's my opinion.

Agreed Henry.

As I said in another post earlier, some team will come and offer him big money and I'd hope we'd be wise enough not to try and get into a bidding war for his services.

If I were the Redskins I'd be drafting a QB.

There's no one out there good enough that it's worth trading for or giving money too for a few years. I'd rather try picking up a young QB through the draft and try him out while we rebuild the rest of the team. I don't care on the draft spot. We gave away the farm for RGIII and look what happened. Top draft picks are no sure thing.

And look at it this way....

Tom Brady.... 6th round pick.
Aaron Rodgers... 1st round 24th pick
Russell Wilson... 3rd Round 75th pick

Don't need the top 1 or 2 pick to get a franchise QB. Just some luck.
 
As for an 'agenda' - I'd like to hear why Cooley would intentionally overrate a QB? Not arguing his assessment is infallible but not sure why we would question that he fully believes what he is saying?

I won't say the word "agenda", but I will say the last person to speak too freely about the organization on 980 is working on 106.7... Cooley knows he has a good gig at 980 and it could provide him a springboard to other opportunities... Larry Michael is basically his boss right now, so probably best to keep negative opinions about anyone on the team in check.
 
Tom Brady.... 6th round pick.
Aaron Rodgers... 1st round 24th pick
Russell Wilson... 3rd Round 75th pick

These are the exceptions though... Currently, 12 starting NFL quarterbacks were selected in the top 5 picks. Only 14 starting NFL quarterbacks were picked AFTER the 1st round. Of those 13, only Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Andy Dalton, & maybe Kaep (debatable here) didn't need multiple years development before becoming a solid NFL quarterback.

If you draft someone early, you draft them to start now and usually don't have the luxury of developing them over time. This hurts guys like Griffin, but might help a guy like Rodgers (late 1st round pick, but sat on bench for 3 years)...
 
These are the exceptions though... Currently, 12 starting NFL quarterbacks were selected in the top 5 picks. Only 14 starting NFL quarterbacks were picked AFTER the 1st round. Of those 13, only Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Andy Dalton, & maybe Kaep (debatable here) didn't need multiple years development before becoming a solid NFL quarterback.

If you draft someone early, you draft them to start now and usually don't have the luxury of developing them over time. This hurts guys like Griffin, but might help a guy like Rodgers (late 1st round pick, but sat on bench for 3 years)...

Oh I'm aware of that.

(Uh Oh! Ramble alert!!!!)

My point was that we still have huge amounts of issues across the roster that need fixing, probably through the draft. And we're going to be an early pick that's for sure, but not in the top 5 or 6 I don't think. And I really don't want our team throwing draft picks away in an effort to get the next celebrated rookie, plus I'm not sure there's anyone in this draft I'd WANT to make a splash for.

With that in mind I'd rather us take a look at the draft sensibly and pick up the best prospect QB wherever we get a pick, and then see how he pans out. Maybe we groom him for a year behind a Cousins or McCoy or whoever we can get cheap through FA. Maybe he works out, maybe he doesn't, but although the people listed are outliers, exceptions to the rule, it is possible to find a diamond in the rough in the late first round or lower. Those players prove that concept.

Even Kirk Cousins our current QB was taken in the 4th round with pick 102. And he beat out our number 2 pick to the job this year. Happens all the time.

Basically by your own numbers Smoot... 32 teams in the league. 12 QBs from the top 5, 14 QB's post 1st round. I haven't looked at the numbers but lets say the other 6 QB's were all late first round (i.e. outside top 5).
You've got a split then of 16 first rounders and 14 post first rounders. Practically a 50/50 split.

So essentially picking in Round 1 gives you a 50/50 chance of finding your franchise QB.

Putting a different spin on it. I tracked back the last 10 drafts.

25 QB's taken in the 1st round.

11 are either no longer playing at all, or are on benches somewhere.
Of the remaining 14, 8 have a passer rating better than Kirks. 6 are worse.

If you take a close look at those 14...

Winston, Mariota, Bortles, Bridgewater and Manuel are still under evaluation. Who knows if they'll still be here in 2 or 3 years. No idea if they're franchise material.

Tannehill, Cutler and Bradford are servicable I think, but that's about it.

Weedon is awful, god knows how he has a passer rating of 92.1, but he'll be on the bench the minute Romo is back

Ryan, Flacco, Newton and Stafford are good. Worthy of the Franchise tag.

Luck is the only one I think will be Elite one day.

So my view on first round picks is that they are not anywhere close to a sure thing for a Franchise tagged QB. Or even a very good one.

Giving up that many picks for RGIII was a bad move. Didn't even need hindsight to see that. At the time I thought it was an expensive move that was the equivalent of pushing all your chips in and hoping the hand you were dealt works out. The 2012 year made us look like we'd gotten away with it, but alas as we've seen it crippled the ability of this franchise to build through the draft for 3 years.

I know I'm putting a lot of faith in our new regime at the top, but I'm hoping that the Skins are past the big splash moves and giving away the farm on a risk.
 
I hear all f the good points being made. I do think fans are too quick to critique QBs in general ignoring the huge impact the other 10 guys on offense play. I think it's possible that Cousins is 'just a guy' but also believe he could be a guy who, if he can improve on his mistakes can be a top 10 QB. His good looks pretty damn good to me. I also get the criticism of Cooley or the perception that he is just trying to keep the homers and his employers happy (although that doesn't jibe well with his previous intensely critical Griffin reviews or his gutting of other Skins players when they perform poorly). He's also nailed Cousins this season after poor performances.

I have no problem with the eye test. But it's not the same as an expert's assessment, and declaring Redskins subpar over the past 20 years isn't exactly a 'win the lottery' kind of challenge.

My takeaway from extensive Cooley listens is that the QB position is a lot more complex than any of us appreciate and that what he is seeing is a QB who is starting to master the offense in a way we haven't seen in a long time.

I think it's a mistake to assume coaches see it as many fans do and will look to jettison the guy at the first opportunity.


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After 3+ seasons and 16 starts I don't think we are being too quick to critique Cousins.

But once again it all comes down to "the experts know more than we do so they must be right" doesn't it?

Again, I think I've watched enough football to know that sometimes what you see is what you see, and the coach 'knowing something secret and awesome that isn't obvious' just isn't actually happening.

I guess, for me, what it comes down to is always what it comes down to with this team: I'll believe the experts have some secret special knowledge that makes this team a winner when I see it. Until then, I don't think Cousins looks like a long-term starter here, and I don't think he will be one.
 
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My .02 cents worth on Kirk's interceptions is that its mental. He is still learning and Kirk has said as much. That next time he won't make that throw he says. So it takes a combination of experience and smarts to not throw them. See A. Rodgers. He and Brady and Manning are the smartest I've ever seen. Once Kirk "gets smart" trusts his reads, and not his arm, he'll eliminate the ints. And yes, that will translate to wins.
 
My .02 cents worth on Kirk's interceptions is that its mental. He is still learning and Kirk has said as much. That next time he won't make that throw he says. So it takes a combination of experience and smarts to not throw them. See A. Rodgers. He and Brady and Manning are the smartest I've ever seen. Once Kirk "gets smart" trusts his reads, and not his arm, he'll eliminate the ints. And yes, that will translate to wins.

Agreed Micks. :D

That's why I think over the course of the season he'll regress to the mean as he gets more comfortable and starts to learn and hopefully cut down his mistakes.

And as Boone points out, there's alot more to the offense than the QB position. As we start to get guys back from injury and if we can get the run going again it'll all take pressure off and allow Kirk more freedom.

Part of the problem at the moment is that we're expecting him to carry a team that is broken in many places and he's too young and early in his career (in my opinion) to do that.

The same would be true if McCoy or Griffin were back there.

Lets get our guys back on the field after the Bye, get healthy and see where we are by the end of the season.
 
Ramble all you wish, Knight. I thoroughly enjoy reading your well thought out and often insightful posts. :smile:

Thanks Serv!

In truth is a SLOOOOWWWWW week at work and I have lots of time on my hands. Next week I'm on a big project so you'll see alot less of me. LOL
 

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